SirEnds (NA)
: What is Your Favorite Champion Lore?
{{champion:30}} for his bio. The color story's good, but the bio's got some real juicy bits of unreliable narration. The Shadow Isles and Karthus' death on them are described so beautifully it almost - but not quite - distracts the reader from the horror of what's going on. Even the bit where he murders the fisherman is written like he's doing him a favor instead of, you know, murdering him. It's so darn creepy and I love it.
Anu3isII (EUNE)
: It looks more like Thresh lost a key from his keychain.
That's Noxian propaganda, they don't want you to believe Demacians are smart enough to steal from ghosts.
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: Cho'Gath Lore Directions (1 of 2)
Good points. Cho definitely needs to be more than an Apocalypse Maybe Soonish. Our other threats to the world have shown off what they can do. Morde made a murder empire, the Shadow Isles champs carve through NPCs in every story they're in, and we had that Ryze cinematic to show what World Runes can do. Cho likewise needs some kind of in-lore feat to give the audience a concrete example of why he's such a big deal.
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: Little Legends
I like to imagine that Hauntlings are just really ineffectual ghosts. Like you're in the middle of a Harrowing and you feel something tugging on your pant leg and you look down to see this 1-foot blue toddler trying their level best to drag you away.
Falrein (EUW)
: What are your biggest fears regarding your favourite champions/regions' future?
Gee whiz, you're a regular mind-reader. Here are my two (or three) Big Worries: 1. Karthus. I'm worried that a lore "update" will scrap the part where he wants to help and just make him a generic Spooky Evil Preacher Guy. For me, the best part of Karthus' character is the vast chasm between how much he _thinks_ he's helping and how much he's _actually_ helping. I don't want him to lose that depth. 2. Rhaast. I'm worried about a potential "always evil" backstory when the dude finally gets, you know, a backstory. The point of the Darkin is that they _were_ decent people who then became terrible, not that they were terrible people who became worse. 3. Rhaast, Part 2. My biggest concern with Rhaast is personhood. I'll use Aatrox as an example. Aatrox is consistently referred to as a person, not a thing. A "he," not an "it." This in no way diminishes the evil of his actions, but reminds us that there's a person doing them. Rhaast, on the other hand, is mostly seen from Kayn's perspective. Kayn only knows him as a scythe. So to Kayn (and thus the reader), Rhaast is a thing, an "it". Instead of being a person trapped in a weapon, he's just a weapon. A thing that needs to be vanquished/dominated/controlled instead of a person who needs to be stopped. It's like a really, really bad take on the Venom symbiote. I don't want Riot to double down on that rhetoric, 'cause dehumanization is wrong no matter who you're doing it to.
: I think until we have more information lore we can't make a ruling on anything. Assuming Baccai are disabled (or just a different kind of transformation), assuming it was voluntary (or not), assuming if it was physical (or mental), and other factors. All I can say if it was volunteered for then they are either not understanding what they are signing up for, or are fools who don't think it can fail. At the end of the day I don't really think it matters too much. It's just League Lore, some people geek out on it, some people just like the game. I am 50/50, lore is nice, but I'm not so attached to it that it affects me enjoying the game. As far as things go if the Baccai signed up voluntary it's their fault for not thinking they could fail, not seeing it as an outcome, or they were fine with their place if they failed. While you can blame it on Shurima or an emperor, they still had a choice. Perhaps that choice was slavery, servitude, death, or perhaps something else, but regardless they did this willingly, and if they did so unwillingly, well sucks to be them I guess. I don't really see a situation I feel bad for them at all. The only situation I could see this being a problem is if they promised great things with no downsides, and never told anyone of the possibility of failure. If they ended up disabled it's only their fault if they were never informed of this possibility, or it was a new process and no one new and this was the result. However it isn't a new process, the result is known. Either they had the choice and willingly took the risk, or had no choice in the matter. This would lead to them being criminals, condemned, or something along those lines where becoming ascended or failing and becoming a Baccai are the only options, at that point it's a hail mary play. Things have to be taken under the correct lens. This isn't a 1st world country in today's year of 2019. This is Year XXXX in fantasy land Runeterra. Different value systems, levels of comfort, and goverment all have roles to play. Let's say worst case scenario is Shrumia does this, full knowledge, and just executes them as you say, peoples fault for not revolting, either they are to weak to revolt, or they don't see it as a problem either. Whatever direction they take I just don't hope it goes to hard left SJW or hard boomer right. I hope they keep politics out of gaming, but if they have to they at least tell a good story at least. Either way it will be interesting to see if Riot screws up, or if they can tell a good story. Popcorn will be made either way.
You lost me with the lack of empathy for people getting murdered for being disabled and lost me again at "It's the oppressed people's fault for not revolting b/c they're too weak." Miss me with that Noxian-flavored victim-blaming.
: While I don't know anything about the specifics, I believe that the implication was "demented beyond recognition and turned grotesque", rather than "disabled". I also think that it would be absurdly painful for that to happen to you, and you wouldn't want to live on like that. You became, in the eyes of your society, an absolute failure. You went from "rising to honor of the highest magnitude" to "worse than a peasant" in a fraction of a second. I'm not sure on the specifics, but I'd assume rituals were available to be seen by the public-- or at least a few people-- in which case you not only have taken that fall, but have people to witness it. The important take away is that this is not only incredibly devastating to the mental health of the Baccai, but equivalent to breaking every bone in your body and then being dumped into a pile of flames. This is very different from losing a limb. Edit: To note: because Ascension was also voluntary, to fail would be absolutely crushing, which further feeds into the comment about "I came seeking the highest peak but instead lost everything" and what that would do to their mental health.
Those are all good reasons why being a Baccai would suck. But they don't mean that Baccai aren't disabled. They may or may not be in chronic pain, their bodies are the "wrong" shape, and as you said, their mental state isn't likely to be the picture of health either. Neither are they good reasons for putting them to death. We don't murder people because we decide they're suffering too much, and the Baccai lore we got says nothing about their deaths being voluntary. Heck, even people who want to do it with a doctor's assistance can't in many places. Of course failing to ascend would be terrible. But the solution isn't for some heavy-handed do-gooder to pull a Karthus and try to murder your problems away. The important takeaway is that Shurima failed as a society with its treatment of failed Ascended. No amount of suffering or bodily malformation makes it okay to declare someone worthless and kill them, _especially_ against their will.
: There is so much I would like to know but for a while now, the kind of stories I would like to read is about the darkins specially Rhaast (even though you dont consider him a champion since its more about Kayn) and Aatrox. I would like some tails of their mortal form and how they acsended. I would like know how they looked at their best and maybe how they felt into the darkness. That would be nice
Oh absolutely. I need me that Rhaast lore.
Riot Pls (NA)
: Future Stories
Poros stopping a Harrowing by snuggling all the ghosts. Ghosts have no complaints.
: We know almost nothing about the Baccai, and it's not a given that they all are violent. And even if they knew what they got into, even if they literally signed a contract allowing to be killed if it went wrong, killing them is still not the right thing to do.
I can see why Shurima would do it, as DerMangoJoghurt pointed out, but you're right in saying that it's still unethical to do.
: Pretty sure Baccai were incredibly violent. Not that they choose to be this way but pretty sure all were like this. They more or less got a needed death for screwing up. Pretty sure Ascension was voluntary, so they knew what they were getting into. Can't have monsters wanting to slaughter people running around. That is to say if I recall correctly.
All two of the lore bits on Baccai don't mention them being violent, just "twisted and malformed." Judging by the pics we've got, I'm pretty sure that meant physically. And who cares if Ascension was voluntary? They're still murdering people who got crippled in the process.
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Jacksin (OCE)
: My theory on Icathia
That's a really neat idea for lore progression.
Zeanix (OCE)
: Will... Pulsefire Thresh have the prestige version???
Between him and Azir we'll be up to our ears in golden birdmen.
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: Not only that. Because they burn themselves so much trying to prove their worth, and don't want to think they are weak, what's the logical conclusion if they fail? Someone is working against them. It happened in a lot of highly meritocratic systems like Nazi Germany or Rome. In the end, because you want to succeed, and you are convinced the person working to achieve the same position as you is conspiring against you, you are going to cheat against them in return. It doesn't matter if your actions against this person damage the goals of your nation in the long term. You have achieved the position you deserved, and you have proved to be strong. Noxians will constantly sabotage one another to prove thier own worth against the others. And that, just like happened with Nazi Germany and many competing military and intelligence sections inside the USA during the Cold War, is going to harm the empire on the long term, because you are sabotaging plans that would benefit the nation, just to benefit you.
Geez, that's a good point. They're like an empire of Skaven but less cute.
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: Demacia Campaign
That's a good summary of what could be going on.
: ULTRA SERIOUS question about guitar in Runeterra
Here's my Game Theory: Mordekaiser didn't invent the guitar, but he was the first to truly shred on it. How did he shred before the invention of electricity? I don't know, magic or something.
: Some of it seems very much canon, but I will agree that cards like Cataclysm, the poro cards, or this one are unlikely. This one especially, as it actually shows five champions in its background art (including Twisted Fate, who should have no reason being there). Admittedly, Ekko does do an air guitar for his dance, so it is possible that guitars exist anyway.
The poro cards are all canon in my heart, and that's what matters.
: Can we get a VO update for Thresh?
It's true and you should say it. I hope they get his voice actor back soon to record more stuff for him.
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: This is exactly the type of thing which is cited for over 300 years in historical records until someone finally figures out it is either misconception or enemy propaganda and people get slowly aware of it thanks to people who repeat it in the repeated "What's lesser known historical fact"/"What's lesser known historical misconception" Reddit threads.
Sounds like something the Frostguard would say... Nah, you're right. Besides, we all know what happens to people who eat poros.
: Tianna Crownguard Appreciation Thread
She's horrible and vicious and terrifying. I love it.
: Question to Riot regarding Thresh voice
I hope he gets at least a VO update soon. He's on Ghost Island, he's got at least two people literally gunning for him... And the only person he has anything to say to is Damp Taxman.
Terozu (NA)
: I thought they were entirely removing Morde from the Shadow Isles?
He's not directly connected there anymore, but it's free real estate. Odds are strong he's gonna show up there at some point and grab the massive undead army available.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Honestly no one likely expected Thresh to turn out THIS bad. They thought they could just give the weirdo the job that no one else wants to do and then be done with him, that way the other workers don't have to deal with him and if thresh had gotten sick or insane, then they could have simply fired him(or killed him). The only reason why Thresh was able to become this dangerous to the order was because he had the army of the mad king at his side.
Yeah, that's the problem. They stuck a guy with obvious issues in a magic basement and assumed everything would be okay.
: What do you think this analysis tells us about Thresh?
"More Teeth" jokes aside, I think it tells us Thresh could have been way less of a problem for a whole lot of people if his issues had been addressed and properly dealt with earlier. It might not have stopped the Ruination, but Runeterra might have at least been spared the Chain Warden.
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Pika Fox (NA)
: I mean, this is true irl. No one wants to focus on rehabilitation or being tolerant of bad traits enough to allow them to comfortably seek help before they potentially cause harm. Id like to think we are an advanced civilization, but we think more with our emotions and shun things percieved bad regardless instead of trying to get people preventative help.... Then act shocked when they do the thing they couldnt get help for, because if they admit they have said thoughts, theyre immediately shunned by society.
Wait a minute... Thresh is green. Thresh didn't get the help he needed. Thresh was shunned and got worse... Of course! He lived in a society! Jokes that I couldn't resist aside, you've got a very good point.
: Well, now you're making an assumption that the scholars knew of each other's disturbances and isolated them accordingly. Many of the scholars could have just not made it known how they truly felt, and Thresh could be a rare case of someone so detached from humanity that his sadism was outwardly apparent. Either way, they wouldn't have dealt with abnormals in the same manner either, it would differ depending on who is doing what, where, and all that, just like in our society in the pre-modern eras when there were abnormal people who exhibited norm-defying traits. Our society would do things like lock them up in asylums, lock them in basements, let them roam around as village idiots or vagabonds, exile them to live in the wilds, etc, etc.
I was making a joke about only "solution" to the only known case being "stick him in a magic basement and pretend nothing's wrong", but yeah. They probably wouldn't have _actually_ done that for every single person. Otherwise they'd have run out of basements.
: I think you have an over-broad interpretation of smart. Being book smart is not the same as being street smart is not the same as being empathetic. The scholars of the Blessed Isles could have been able to ramble off an entire author's thesis on the breeding habits of moontails, but could have been completely ignorant of how to socialize and empathetically deal with someone who clearly is not adjusting well to the social norms of society.
That's a good point, but it also means that Thresh may not have been an isolated case. If this was an entire societal issue, odds are there were other severely disturbed undead people busting out of magic basements when the Mist came.
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Rαy (EUW)
: Background is cool, face looks kinda weird IMO.
It's because he has a whole lower jawbone in the new one instead of a three-toothed floaty thing.
: Whose lore would you like to see expanded on the most?
My vote's for Rhaast. Dude's got barely any lore compared to his other half. Yeah I know "Kayn's the Champion", but that explanation falls flat when you can play _as Rhaast _ in-game.
: IF the new champion is Senna, can you give Lucian a voice update
While we're at it, Thresh could also use a new VO. He doesn't have interactions for anyone but Nautilus. That's right, Mr. Steal-Yo-Wife has no lines whatsoever for the guy whose wife he stole.
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: Would Sylas ever team up with Noxus?
I bet Noxus would be down to use Sylas, though. Indirectly and with plausible deniability and stuff, but they'd be idiots not to at least take advantage of all the trouble he's causing in their enemy's nation.
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: > [{quoted}](name=RobuxScammer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vmv6bLt1,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-10-01T23:20:03.558+0000) > > Virgin Swain vs Chad Iron Revenant Have have you seen dragon master swain.
> Have you seen dragon master swain. Have _you_ seen Dragon Knight Mordekaiser? We set this fight in the right skinline and we'll be up to our ears in Chads. Well, more than up to our ears since Morde's like 13 feet tall.
Vartius (EUNE)
: Mordekaiser's Final Reign - Runeterra's wake-up call.
I like the "abnegation of these ideals" concept. For all of Noxus' wonderful diversity and potential for individual success, it still sucks if you're "weak" or don't want them to conquer you and supplant your culture. They have to move on from being selfish conquerors who disdain the ~~vulnerable~~ weak because Noxus doesn't stand a chance trying to beat Mordekaiser at his own game.
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: I still want a Battlecast Karthus legendary skin.
: I ceaselessly pitch this every couple of months. Please keep me, Carnival Knights, in your thoughts as I attempt to annoy the skin team into it.
I support your noble efforts wholeheartedly. Your efforts are deeply appreciated. Don't worry, they'll have to submit to the truth eventually.
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: > [{quoted}](name=NotaRobot1006,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XuzcrfJ1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-08T22:24:41.053+0000) > Varus: Human. He got it on a technicality ("humans are animals, guys") and everyone looked at him funny for a _ long _ time. Human because they have not updated his lore since the "our kind?" comic where darkins were aliens that brought blood magic into runetera. Another abandoned champion just pushed to fit the current lore
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