Bultz (NA)
: It's time Riot had a hard look at player mods and removed them
As someone else pointed out, the mods are volunteers; Riot doesn't pay them nor are they employed by or selected by Riot. Secondly, this board has been in beta *for years.* Riot gives 0 fucks about this forum or how the mods run it. They haven't even updated the mod UI to give it basic functions like *the ability to fucking move threads.* That said, I will agree, some of the mods are fairly unprofessional and it feels like, a lot of times, they skirt along the edges of their own rules. :/ Which is... frustrating, to say the least. Like if they're not going to follow their own rules, why even bother having them.
: I wouldn't mind it really. If anything, bot and jungle do feed more than top and people who main ADC usually fail at the easiest role the game has to offer. Besides, Riot still has catered and continues to cater to bot laners way more than top despite our complaints and even after all the years, top lane is still shit and doesn't contribute to the game nearly as much as bot or jungle do. People don't joke when they say Riot doesn't have a single top laner on their balance team.
Its not the easiest role; anyone who says that has never played it a day in their life. What is the easiest role is top lane. Top lane champions until recent years have traditionally had the lowest skill cap. Many of the still do. Not only that but the actual mechanics of the lane are brain dead; know how to manipulate your wave and ward. That's literally it. Other lanes have to do this as well as position well and watch other objectives. Honestly, I think everyone would be way happier if Top lane didn't exist because, in my experience, its top lane who feeds the most and since their champions are incredibly binary or incredibly overtuned, its impossible to actually stand against most top lane champions. Furthermore, there would be less top laners crying about how their role/champions/items got buffed in the wrong way *again.* Season, after fucking season its all about trying to stroke top laner's fragile egos and make them feel warm and special and fuzzy.
Anhydrax (NA)
: Top lane is terrible in Preseason 10
Just put dragon top. I honestly have stopped playing ever since I saw the preseason changes because I'm exhausted and tired as a bot laner of them trying desperately to make top lane happy by nerfing the shit out of my lane and my champions and by make it near imperative that I have the entire team down there. I don't get to play the fucking game. Its fucking shitty. They keep making bot lane the literal worst place to play; meanwhile, top is still whining and still unhappy even though their champions, lane, runes, and items are buffed and overtuned every fucking preseason.
: Has there been a single season where top laners didn't say that top was terrible?
No. There hasn't been. Top lane whines every season. Which is funny because they nerfed the two lanes that top lane whines about most into oblivion; bot and jungle. Its relieving to be moving away from this game, honestly, because I'm exhausted of them favoring whining top lane melee champions near constantly. Every change ever season is just another attempt to make entitled top laners happy and every season, it fails and they just whine more. At this point, I just wish they would come out with a game mode where only top and mid existed. Just delete the three other people in the game. Maybe top mains will STFU already.
: good junglers aren't doing this though, bad junglers are. Good laners sometimes are making the mistake of taking jungle camps when they should be pushing a lane or contesting vision. This is the difference and why these posts exist. Laners consistently don't understand this stuff and its frustrating the hell out of jungle mains.
No, asshole junglers are doing it; it has nothing to do with good or bad. Secondly, if I need 150-200 gold for an item and there are no minions for me to safely farm as an ADC because I watched my Jungle, Mid, and Top shove all of the waves out, I'm taking the goddamn jungle camps. Thirdly, how frustrating do you think it is to watch a Jungler pick a "carry" when the entire team is already carry heavy. We don't need a Kha'zix when we have a Jax, Katarina, Lucian, and Brand. How frustrating do you think it is for laners to have Junglers tax whole waves of minions after they get the kill? Like, not even with the intention of helping us back; we could be full health and intending to stay because assist gold isn't worth shit(news flash, its 75 gold for an assist if you split it between two people... which assist gold is split between everyone). Everyone does things that are frustrating. Coming to whine about it when you're probably guilty of doing annoying things doesn't really solve anything.
: Riot trying to be mysterious about Bandle City is killing support for it by the community.
I wish they'd do more with the yordles as well. At least they've expanded many of their lore in the last update; does anyone remember when Tristana's was literally just a paragraph and part of that was just that she could be dating Teemo(*eyeroll* because that totally fits her character...)? And I agree that all of the Yordles could use in game voice line up dates. :/ Their interactions are totally outdated. Like there should be comraderie voice lines between Tristana and Poppy. Heimer, Ziggs, and Rumble could totally have some great lines together! Lulu should just be weirding out *everyone*
: Stop cutting your own junglers off of their gold and xp, k?
This also applies to the jungler. Don't go take my wave of minions that you see me walking to when you have three camps up in the jungle just next to that lane. Like seriously, the number of times that I *ping that I am coming to clear a lane* just to have the jungle decide to take every minion is fucking bullshit. If I can't have your jungle camps, stay the hell off my minions. Because honestly, if you're behind on a Carry Jungler, its better to feed the gold into a carry who is ahead, IE the Mid or the ADC.
Asifion (NA)
: Game Clarity - Yasuo Windwall
Just some clean up of the ability in general would go a long way to making it less frustrating. :/ The hit box is *very* unclear. Like, the thickness of it is very misleading and the fact that its thick enough that Yasuo *can stand in it and be immune to all projectiles* is ridiculous thematically and awful for gameplay.
Larriet (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Milky Star,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UNEF7q1f,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-04T22:13:36.335+0000) > > Ok fine, but also....Taric. As in Star Guardian Taric? Or as in people making THAT OTHER overdone joke about Taric?
> [{quoted}](name=Larriet,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UNEF7q1f,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-04T22:51:25.343+0000) > > As in Star Guardian Taric? Or as in people making THAT OTHER overdone joke about Taric? Legitimately would like a Star Guardian Taric skin. Legitimately would like more skins for Taric in general though. :c He's so cool and awesome and deserves more skins.
Juice (EUNE)
: Tristana is a pubstomper, she is no Azir or Aatrox. She just jumps on you lv2, procs the bomb, PTA, ignites you and you die. There is no counterplay to this besides letting her shove you in and slowly wither you to death. The fact that he pulled her off in PRO PLAY just goes to show how broken this champ is. Where the opponent mid laner is on comms with his jungler (who isn't terrible btw). Even so Tristana is too safe, too bursty, too unbeatable.
She's been popular in ProPlay for years. WTF are you talking about. She's a high scaling ADC who is safe; these are always popular in Proplay. The only reason I ever got into playing her was because Season 5, Rekkles got a Pentakill on her *in Worlds.* Furthermore, she has plenty of counterplay; she's short ranged, her only escape is a long CD and extremely interruptible, she can't *not* push, she is extremely susceptible to burst. Just because you're bad and lost to a midlaner who is *literally sitting at one of the lowest WR's in every role she plays* does not inherently make her broken. She is not a pubstomper and talking like she's never shown up and existed in Worlds *in the midlane* is a bad fucking argument. You have been presented with facts and statistics that show you're inherently wrong.
Juice (EUNE)
: Let's pull meaningless win rates out while we witness players like Faker etc picking Tristana mid in the most prestigious LoL tournament and CHOKING out other mids. Damn, someone should tell Faker and other people who are paid to literally search for the most overpowered and unfair champs in the game to play against other teams that Tristana is "gutted and left to bleed on the side of the street", apparently they didn't know and decimated their opponents with her.
Let's talk about a PROFESSIONAL LEVEL TOURNAMENT that is BASICALLY A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME when trying to prove our points, then! :) Instead of sustainable statistics about the game that everyone ACTUALLY plays. Is everyone a Faker? No. Is everyone in coms with their team, whom they've lived and trained with for over a year usually? No. Is everyone a professional League player who trains daily to be the best? Fuck no. Just because it shows up in World's does *not mean that it is broken in Soloqueue.* You cannot have this double fucking standard about World's and Soloqueue; you can't sit and say in one breath that it isn't fair that they nerf certain champions to inviability due to World's(Sejuani, Ryze, Galio) and then say that things that are popular in Worlds are completely broken(Xayah, Kai'sa, Tristana). Its hypocritical and nonsensical. Either you want things that are popular and strong in Worlds nerfed for everyone, including things like Sej, Ryze, and Galio, or you STFU and acknowledge that Worlds and Soloqueue are separate entities and not similar in the least and therefore champions good there should not be nerfed.
Juice (EUNE)
: ADC is such a weak role they go into other lanes like mid and top and shit on the best champs in those respective roles. Absolutely demolish them. We all seen Lucian absolutely dumping on Gangplank We all seen how utterly hopeless Renekton was when THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD played him against Quinn We all seen how Tristana takes over the entire game from mid Weak role btw. If there was a champ that did to ADCs what ADCs do to other roles when they switch (top / mid) you'd never heard the end of it from ADC mains
Tristana taking over the game from mid. You're funny. xD That's a good joke. https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/mid I say that because you can't actually mean the champion who is sitting at a 1.38% pick rate and a WR that is 6 spots away from being *the worst midlaner in the game.* Just because she is picked mid, doesn't mean she's good. There are more match ups that dumpster her than match ups that she wins against, one predominant one I can think of being that she absolutely shits on Katarina. She also punishes bad Talons who roam at stupid times. Otherwise, many mages and assassins all hit level 6 and blow her up. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/tristana/middle/master At Master+, she is at a 45% WR midlane. There isn't a single division in which Tristana mid is above a 50% WR. Not even going all the way to Iron. But sure, Tristana who they have gutted and left to bleed on the side of the street is totally taking over games.
: > [{quoted}](name=KABLUMP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QEKcyWN0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-30T17:28:59.221+0000) > > sorry that you ***might not*** get a class monopoly of a position when your class consists of 20 champions, of which only 5 at max are every viable, and a solid third have been leaking out of your lane and into top/mid/jungle unhealthily for a long time. Since it is basically obligatory to run amarksmen as the bot laner, and they are often in style, I don't see why every marksmen gets to magically own bot lane instead of other tank shredders or hyper carries. You only maintain your dominance due to logistics. > > Fact is, mages, bruisers, assassins, and tanks are almost always locked into their respective lanes, and have to share those lanes with the other classes locked to their lanes. Problem with this? tanks and bruisers are always stuck between who hard counters who, mages and assassins face the same shit, and then adcs just get to lock in one of their FotM 1 of 5 viable champs that usually are just vessels for the OP adc build and then go down to bot lane. > > Is cait banned? Just go tristana, same shit after 15 minutes anyways > Is Vayne banned? Well here's kaisa! > Ezreal? Have a lucian! Wow. Sorry that a class that is only allowed by riot to be played in ONE SPOT is a little pissy when other roles start taking that spot. -.-
B-but other classes have to share lanes!! It doesn't matter that they at least have the choice of MULTIPLE FUCKING LANES and aren't IMMEDIATELY NERFED IF POPULAR IN ANOTHER LANE
KABLUMP (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=PB4UAME,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QEKcyWN0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:06:34.368+0000) > > Amen. 13 sub classes, yet one has had an utter monopoly on one of only 5 positions for 10 fucking years, while also being viable or meta junglers, top laners, mid laners, and even supports, strong enough to have been picked in worlds and multiple competitive leagues for years, outside of the position they hold hegemony over. They have also for many years and in the vast majority ofmetas LoL has ever seen been by far the most important role, sub class, etc. Just look at all the bot focused metas we've had. Oh, every thing from S2 to S9, with particularly sore points in S3, in S6 and S7 (Ardent Meta, and clown fiesta bot to shut down their adc/get yours fed so they'd single-handedly be the win condition past 15-20 minutes). > > Hell, the one time, the singular ***ONLY*** time there was any actual ***diversity*** in the bot lane, ADC mains whined like babies and got every other champion nerfed and their precious ADCs buffed after a single fucking week. Not to mention, ADC abuse of other items, particularly tank and assassin itemization has gotten both fucked over for the classes actually designed to use them. Look what happen to {{item:3071}}, {{item:3153}} (originally designed as a fighter item to help champs like {{champion:77}} {{champion:2}} (old){{champion:266}} etc) {{item:3025}} {{item:3156}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3508}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3026}} {{item:1054}} {{item:3022}} {{item:3142}} etc due to ADC abuse. Not to mention, because of their crying items like {{item:3143}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3076}} {{item:3047}} etc were also nerfed to the point where other than Tabi, and bramble (for the GW alone) no one hardly builds those items anymore. And it was clearly irelia that was the issue and not the class of champions that exists to right click you to death from the other side of the fucking screen while healing for 25% of each of their 600 damage auto attacks that they get 1.5-2.5 of each second
What happened to Sterak's that ADCs caused? >_>; It was made melee only. ER was always an ADC item; IDK what you mean by it was intended to be a bruiser item. It was never built before its rework and post rework, it had AD, Crit and Mana was exclusively built by ADCs. After its third rework, the only people abusing it were literally bruisers. BoRK has historically been built by *many* ADCs(Lucian, Vayne, Trist) and isn't solely a bruiser item; it is an on hit item and intended for tank busting. No Udyr or Olaf would build this item intentionally. Maw never received changes or nerfs due to ADCs building it and ADCs never build it now. GA used to be just a general late game item that traded damage for survivability. It was never exclusively a bruiser item and was honestly more problematic before because your tank could build it and you'd have to kill them all over again. Its since been changed to add AD, actually making it a better Bruiser item. Guinsoo was historically never built. They reworked it and it became a generic on hit item. If a Jax feels like being a squishy PoS, he could build it. I also remember Master Yi *hard* abusing this item, especially when its current passive was a *jungle* item in a time where ADCs rarely if *ever* went into the jungle. Mallet was nerfed not because of ADCs; it was abused by Gnar who is a *bruiser.* None of those tank items received direct nerfs due to ADCs. Not a single one. The only one that was nerfed was Bramble and that's because it completely fucked over top laners. In fact, actually looking, Randuin's lost health for more % reduction of crit damage; it went from 10% to 20%.
Hilsun (NA)
: Yeah, agreed; it's just PBE for now. If this ships to live like this, though, that's a pretty egregious misstep on Riot's part. I honestly think they should just give Ekko a re-voiceover with the same guy who does this skin, because it's a little weird having a white guy voice a black character. :V
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1782508/ I dont think, with a name like that, he is white. Just saying.
: Any place for ADC mains in S10?
I fully believe that no, there isnt really a place for ADCs anymore. They have pretty systematically nerfed directly and indirectly the role for seasons now. They directly nerfed them last season, effectively destroying them. And they have indirectly nerfed it over and over again by making it the weakest lane in general. And by lane, I mean the actual physical lane is the weakest. It has just as many gank points as top. It's just as long as top. It's just as punishing to die or back at a bad time as top. But this is all with the addition of a tower that is weaker than all other towers for the first five minutes of the game. This is with the addition of being expected to help ward dragon, of needing to not be pushed in at a bad time, of need to not die at a bad time or you might lose dragon. This is also with the addition of the most ganked lane in the game is literally bot lane. Top laners like to whine about getting ganked in the first 2 minutes; it's literally nothing compared to botlane being permanently by mid and jungle until the end of lane phase. They need to give supports better access to wards. In general, they need to buff the fuck out of vision.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RZT9ogUj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-30T12:07:26.550+0000) > > Is his voice Actor different? That honestly is really jarring on a skin that is otherwise pretty nice. It doesnt sound like his original voice Actor at all. But that was kind of the point, mostly because a rapper designed this skin based on what he wanted I think.
But they still have parts from the original voice Actor. Like I get it, but dont leave half of the original voice work in a skin where the voice *actor* has changed. It makes it super obvious and super jarring. It kind of brings the entire skin down on an otherwise really nice skin
: Honestly True Damage Ekko just nailed it
Is his voice Actor different? That honestly is really jarring on a skin that is otherwise pretty nice. It doesnt sound like his original voice Actor at all.
: Senna: The "support" ADC
Honestly, I didn't want her to be a support. :/ I wanted a regular ADC... I get that they were interested in giving her synergy with Lucian and shit... but why? I don't want that. I wanted a regular ADC. Not yet another "support" who will fuck over actual ADCs.
: No. She's from Noxus but lives in Ionia now. I assume she's what you would consider to be "white", though.
Ahh, I admit I'm not up on all of the League Lore; thanks for the clarification. c:
: Zed got a face reveal on the cover of his upcoming comic. He's "Asian", same as the other Ionians.
I wanted to say he was but wasn't sure. I didn't want to assume so. For that matter, isn't Riven Ionian? Wouldn't that make her Asian? .-.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=idIMNhnU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T18:44:30.910+0000) > > Was also thinking the same thing. :/ Akali and Yasuo re both coded as asian(since there isn't an Asia in runeterra) and regularly get skins. As does Ahri who is similarly Asian coded. > > For that matter, did Lucian not just get a High Noon skin the past year or so? What. > > I appreciate the thought behind this thread but it gets a big downvote for me. They picked three African American characters to be in a hip hop band; I wouldn't consider that especially diversive when, stereotypically, hiphop is a predominantly african american style of music In the context of League of Legends, a game heavily focused on Western and East Asian fantasy, having East Asian characters isn't diverse. And as for Lucian getting a Legendary Skin last year in 2018... Here's been the big skins this year -Bewitching MF (Prestige'd) -High Noon Ashe (Legendary) -Valiant Sword Riven (Prestige'd) -Prestige Star Guardian Neeko -Star Guardian Xayah (Legendary) -Star Guardian Rakan (Legendary) -Project Irelia (Prestige'd) **-Project Pyke (Legendary)** -Arcade Caitlyn (Prestige'd) -Battle Academia Lux (Prestige'd) -Battle Academia Ezreal (Legendary) -Prestige K/DA Evelynn -Galaxy Slayer Zed (Legendary) -Fuzzy Fizz (Prestige'd) -Prestige K/DA Ahri -Firecracker Vayne (Prestige'd) -Blood Moon Aatrox (Prestige'd) > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=idIMNhnU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T18:50:17.779+0000) > > She is likely more mayan/Aztec. Maybe even Latin american or something in that area. Maybe I misunderstood the OP but I assumed they were reading Qiyana as African American To me Qiyana is pretty clearly based off of Mesoamerican civilizations, though a Rioter can come tell me I'm wrong. Maybe you should stop assuming things; it's revealing how you're _really_ approaching this topic.
You can't even see Zed's face. So how can you know if he is a POC? Again, Ahri is coded as Asian which, despite your opinion, is still a POC. Irelia is coded Asian. Eveynn is a succubus. She's not even human. Fizz is a Yordle or at the very least a divergent of Yordles; I would consider Yordles in this setting a PoC. They are a minority who are clearly *not* white. Neeko is literally the last of her kind; that's as minority as you get. Aatrox is, like Evelynn, not even human. He's a demon. He doesn't even *have a normal skin tone.* So again, IDK what you mean. There is plenty of representation for PoC.
Koiyaki (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=idIMNhnU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T18:44:30.910+0000) > > Was also thinking the same thing. :/ Akali and Yasuo re both coded as asian(since there isn't an Asia in runeterra) and regularly get skins. As does Ahri who is similarly Asian coded. > > For that matter, did Lucian not just get a High Noon skin the past year or so? What. > > I appreciate the thought behind this thread but it gets a big downvote for me. They picked three African American characters to be in a hip hop band; I wouldn't consider that especially diversive when, stereotypically, hiphop is a predominantly african american style of music coulda sworn quiyana would be more akin to mayan/aztec, but maybe im reading her wrong. Not against wat ur sayin tho
She is likely more mayan/Aztec. Maybe even Latin american or something in that area. Maybe I misunderstood the OP but I assumed they were reading Qiyana as African American
Bultz (NA)
: I think this is a funny thread to begin with. You seem to be implying riot favors white champions for skin lines. Which isn’t true. You ignored Yasuo and Akali, who are Asian. So by poc you seem to be only implying black people count as poc, which seems sort of racist.
Was also thinking the same thing. :/ Akali and Yasuo re both coded as asian(since there isn't an Asia in runeterra) and regularly get skins. As does Ahri who is similarly Asian coded. For that matter, did Lucian not just get a High Noon skin the past year or so? What. I appreciate the thought behind this thread but it gets a big downvote for me. They picked three African American characters to be in a hip hop band; I wouldn't consider that especially diversive when, stereotypically, hiphop is a predominantly african american style of music
: What do you guys miss most from league?
Teambuilder. I miss teambuilder. I also miss awesome events like the GP Rework; where they had a really cool gamemode(Black Market Brawler) and where, since the champ died in lore, they killed him out of the game for a week.
: citation*
There are threads on this board from a while back that are basically everyone from the Shaco Main reddit coming in and upvoting it even though the champion was fine. I would have to go through, back at least a year to find it, but it does exist. That said, yes, they shouldn't listen to Shaco mains ever. :/ They're the most deluded bunch of people I've ever met.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4B3aZTp6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-25T15:44:35.940+0000) > the only people playing support were support mains I have no idea where you got that from. The majority of people playing support were those who had the last pick and were forced to play it.
I get that idea by the fact that something better than our current system existed; it was called Teambuilder. :))))
: Temporary splash art should be available in the BE emporium!
I would assume they won't do that, unfortunately, because legally, I feel like they'd be obligated to pay the artists some kind of royalty. I hope that they at least asked permission of all of the artists before doing it in the first place.
: I miss season 5
I miss season 5 too... back when bot lane was less of a fiesta, the only people playing support were support mains, playing a mage support was trolling, where there was just *1* dragon, where junglers actually had to farm instead of permaganking, and ADC didn't feel like fucking dog shit to play.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QKUukflM,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-25T11:46:12.625+0000) > > Rakan yes but is picked for similar reasons. The rest are all tanks like what? They build tank, they are played for the same reasons you pick a tank meaning they are tanks. > > Also don't give me "well they're classified as controllers" that was stupid when riot added that subclass and it's stupid now and nautilus was still classified as a tank. > > They are tank supports. Like wtf are they if not? They're hook supports. The only reason they have any amount of durability is Aftershock. If Riot ever fixes Aftershock, the lack of durability those champions have will become more apparent.
I mean... Nautilus has a shield, builds defensive items, and I believe has high Health, MR, and Armor growth though I'd have to look. Thresh literally gets more defensive stats off collecting souls and also has a shield and builds defensively. Blitz *also* has a shield that pops when he gets low and builds defensively. IDK in what universe that champions with self shields, high health/mr/armor growth, and that build defensively oriented items are not suddenly tanks. Its kind of like if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, its probably a duck. There's a very very small chance its a goose but you tend to know the difference between those pretty quickly with you know... the honking and being a general asshole.
: Rakan yes but is picked for similar reasons. The rest are all tanks like what? They build tank, they are played for the same reasons you pick a tank meaning they are tanks. Also don't give me "well they're classified as controllers" that was stupid when riot added that subclass and it's stupid now and nautilus was still classified as a tank. They are tank supports. Like wtf are they if not?
They are definitely tanks. Nautilus IS THE tank boi. Thresh and Blitz are similarly tanks. Rakan is some weird fusion that I don't know how to classify.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EKvl4rgi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-24T17:54:24.714+0000) > > You don't play nami aggressive in lane by going for bubbles. Instead, you try to punish the enemy adc for stepping up by using w and empowered aa's on them. The only time you want to bubble in lane proactively is: > > * The enemy AD is currently locked in an animation(ie csing a minion) > > * The enemy support has no engage ability or used it already(think rakan w) > > * The jg is not near your lane. > > You also generally don't engage teamfights. Your engage isn't very reliable. You can use it to get picks since the MS boost is extremely helpful even if they dodge the knockup, but your ult is generally used to follow up someone else's engage or used as disengage. > > As for staying alive, that's positioning. As a squishy, it's your job to keep track of enemy threats and make sure you're never in a position to die to them. If you have no vision on them, pretend they are sitting in every area you don't have vision of and play around that. i literally said everything you just said... and gave more details... and got fucking downvoted. this community man...
Because in the right lane, you can 100% play Nami aggressively. She is fully capable of playing aggressive and in your face, similarly to Sona. If you're just sitting on your ass healing and not looking for picks or going for safe AA harass on the enemy ADC or support, you're not playing the champion right.
kVaixen (NA)
: How do I Teamfight/Lane as a Support? (Nami Main)
As someone else has said, it depends on the lane but as a general rule of thumb, don't stand behind your ADC. This leaves them feeling like they're in a 1v2 and that can make them be zoned. Stand next to your ADC instead; this shows you're an active participant of the lane, it doesn't leave your ADC vulnerable, and makes things more of a 2v2. It reminds me of a youtube video from a college professor who taught league(yes, those existed!) and he called bot lane a lane of Zones. Every champion has a zone or a circle around them that is the area by which they can interact. As a support, you generally want to have your zone overlap with your ADC's as often as possible; that isn't say by right up next to them but at least have your "zone" edges touching.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhaUkEbd,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-24T20:39:17.965+0000) > > Again, telling me that the support player should magically know what to do to counter the assassin because it is their job to counter the assassin is still Rock, Paper, Scissors. Because its ADC Its a 5v5 game. Expecting teamplay to not factor into the game makes zero sense whatsoever.
There was more to my post but considering how shit this board is, it continues to eat my post and I'm not retyping it a third or fourth time. Its a 5v5 game. So why is 1 player deciding whether or not you get to play against a fed Zed as a Cait.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhaUkEbd,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-24T19:55:37.297+0000) > > ADCs don't take ignite to begin with, they only have a ward trinket so if its on CD, they can't ward anymore than that, and if they're already at the back, with their support and they're dying, I don't know where they're intended to position. > > If you're talking about supports, then are you implying that the ADC player should dictate what they're support plays, takes, and does? Which sounds equally as ridiculous as assuming that you're talking about the ADC. The support player, as support players have vehemently said over the seasons, are still players and still capable of making their own decisions. No one likes being told what to do. > > Furthermore, many ADCs actually have lower WR's from building Tabi than they do any other boot; if we assume they're building tabi to help counter the assassin on their own, then why is their WR still lower than any other boot option? As for buying DD first item, unless you're MF or Draven, that would greatly cripple your damage and then you might as well just be dead because you won't be doing anything in teamfights anyway. > > The game is completely rock, paper, scissors the way it currently is which is why its problematic. Correct, ADCs dont take ignite.... Guess who does? No one said anything about the ADC dictating anything. Im talking about proper support play. If the enemy runs an assassin or a late game pick youre worried about getting to your ADC, you take exhaust over ignite. So, apparently, you have no idea how statistics work or how to build properly. Tabi are defensive, which you dont buy when youre ahead or in a strong matchup. Meaning youll have a lower winrate by default. You have the cause and effect backwards. And yes, DD lowers damage output.... But guess what? It has a higher DPS output than a grey screen if youre so bad at positioning that you constantly get caught by an assassin. The game isnt rock paper scissors, you just dont know how to actually play it other than some cookie cutter build.
EDIT: Wtf shit, boards, where the hell did my post go?! Again, telling me that the support player should magically know what to do to counter the assassin because it is their job to counter the assassin is still Rock, Paper, Scissors. Because its ADC
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eIdGYQ6X,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-24T20:00:03.926+0000) > > TRULY TRULY… OUTRAGEOUS! I've had 3 m7 taric shards and a stack of taric champ shards for 2 years now, but m7 isn't pink and I love getting into a match where people are like "Omg 120k m6 taric u gonna suk" but really I'm like "I am taric, eater of worlds"
My friend who plays Taric likes to take the Pool Party Skin and put the taunt on his middle mouse button so he can spam it in lane. He thinks its great. He doesn't play much anymore but we ocassionally play ARAMs and he gets super hyped to get Taric in them, haha.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eIdGYQ6X,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-24T19:49:48.398+0000) > > Considering, they base the Victorious Skin off of who was most impactful and iconic during the Spring split, of course it wasn't Riven or Irelia. It should have honestly been Sona or Taric, who were ridiculous iconic and common and meta defining. :/ Oh My Fucking God THEY SKIPPED ON A CHANCE TO DO A TARIC VICTORIOUS SKIN? OUTRAGEOUS
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QfpvcUc5,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2019-10-24T19:44:34.524+0000) > > I would agree with Taric too. Taric is fantastic and doesn't get enough love. :/ I don't even play the guy and I feel bad for him.
Right? I love having Taric as a support but he's always nerfed because of proplay and isn't especially popular in soloqueue. :( He's a great champion.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhaUkEbd,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-24T19:37:11.595+0000) > > An ADC requires another champion to protect them from an assassin, which is a little ridiculous since most supports lately are either a mage carry themselves(so... protect them how?) or a hard engaged tank(so... protect them how?). > > Assassins completely hard counter ADCs and sometimes, it doesn't matter how you're playing or where you're at. I have watched ADCs die to assassins while sitting at the back of the team, next to the support, and still die instantly. Sure, the assassin might die but not before taking you out. > > Furthermore, its still rock, paper, scissor balance if you have to rely on a support to counter an assassin. Position better, ward better, carry exhaust over ignite if you need to. Playing the game properly is not "rock, paper, scissors". If youre REALLY worried about it as an ADC, tabi and early GA, or tabi first buy DD.
ADCs don't take ignite to begin with, they only have a ward trinket so if its on CD, they can't ward anymore than that, and if they're already at the back, with their support and they're dying, I don't know where they're intended to position. If you're talking about supports, then are you implying that the ADC player should dictate what they're support plays, takes, and does? Which sounds equally as ridiculous as assuming that you're talking about the ADC. The support player, as support players have vehemently said over the seasons, are still players and still capable of making their own decisions. No one likes being told what to do. Furthermore, many ADCs actually have lower WR's from building Tabi than they do any other boot; if we assume they're building tabi to help counter the assassin on their own, then why is their WR still lower than any other boot option? As for buying DD first item, unless you're MF or Draven, that would greatly cripple your damage and then you might as well just be dead because you won't be doing anything in teamfights anyway. The game is completely rock, paper, scissors the way it currently is which is why its problematic.
: the victorious skin wasn't Irelia or Riven who defined the meta for a good chunk of the year?
Considering, they base the Victorious Skin off of who was most impactful and iconic during the Spring split, of course it wasn't Riven or Irelia. It should have honestly been Sona or Taric, who were ridiculous iconic and common and meta defining. :/
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QfpvcUc5,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-10-24T19:17:35.992+0000) > > Not only does it really bad but a lot of people are super disappointed it wasn't Sona. Sona makes way more sense considering how she and Taric literally were the most iconic part of the Spring Split. :/ In that case I would've preferred Taric, dude only has like two good skins that actually change his VFX if I remember correctly. If they were a duo give gem boy some love too, he needs something new.
I would agree with Taric too. Taric is fantastic and doesn't get enough love. :/
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhaUkEbd,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-24T18:28:07.051+0000) > > This same logic could be extended to Assassin mains. Just saying, they shouldn't hard counter ADCs and mages just by existing. Most mages have the tools to handle them, and ADCs have supports to protect them. Neither are hard countered by assassins, but playing poorly and over extending solo does mean youll die.
An ADC requires another champion to protect them from an assassin, which is a little ridiculous since most supports lately are either a mage carry themselves(so... protect them how?) or a hard engaged tank(so... protect them how?). Assassins completely hard counter ADCs and sometimes, it doesn't matter how you're playing or where you're at. I have watched ADCs die to assassins while sitting at the back of the team, next to the support, and still die instantly. Sure, the assassin might die but not before taking you out. Furthermore, its still rock, paper, scissor balance if you have to rely on a support to counter an assassin.
: Victorious Aatrox looks like GARBAGE
Not only does it really bad but a lot of people are super disappointed it wasn't Sona. Sona makes way more sense considering how she and Taric literally were the most iconic part of the Spring Split. :/
: Dear tank mains: You shouldn't be immune to losing a fight against X or Y subclass
This same logic could be extended to Assassin mains. Just saying, they shouldn't hard counter ADCs and mages just by existing.
Quáx (NA)
: where did they say conq was being removed?
Preseason announcement, multiple red posts, PBE notes...
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bMZiuiap,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-23T14:56:10.959+0000) > > I feel like the not being able to hear each other might be intentional, particularly if you're not referring to the Taunts/Jokes/Laughs/etc. I feel like the take away we're supposed to have from these skins is they're falling apart as a couple and sort of "drifting." So the not being able to hear each other could be intentional. > > The rest of it, there is no excuse. Especially since these are very pricey skins. :/ Let me clarify on that - they are not drifting. If anything, Rakan's feelings for Xayah seem stronger - he is quite literally willing to die for her, or become a shadow of himself to purify her. Xayah still cares about him, but she's too focused on her grudge against the Star Guardians and her missions to stop and actually show that.
> [{quoted}](name=BladeSingularity,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bMZiuiap,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-23T17:08:35.411+0000) > > Let me clarify on that - they are not drifting. If anything, Rakan's feelings for Xayah seem stronger - he is quite literally willing to die for her, or become a shadow of himself to purify her. Xayah still cares about him, but she's too focused on her grudge against the Star Guardians and her missions to stop and actually show that. I understand that but they're still not working necessarily in sync. They're not hearing each other and each other's concerns. Xayah isn't hearing the amount of love that Rakan has for her and isn't hearing the position he is in; she's blinded to the fact that her love is dying and isn't hearing what he's saying. Xayah is not hearing him. It makes sense, symbolically, that in game they couldn't hear each other and aren't bantering or having cutesie couple talks. This is a very different Xayah and Rakan from the base versions of them.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnJrrJ1w,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-23T15:32:41.213+0000) > > No, I don't blame my support for everything. There are games where I play badly and I acknowledge that I'm playing badly. I also acknowledge, however, that junglers, even people who main the role, are sometimes really stupid and gank at really bad times. We're human; we are fallible. Right? For some reason lots of junglers seem super happy to gank as the enemies are sitting with a massive minion wave, as if the enemy wont just fight it out among those minions and win because of the extra 200 DPS. A very scary number in the early levels. Well its equally frustrating to be the jungler and have some moron request ganks into such waves though, i had my fill of what happens if you do that plenty of times when i was still trying to learn the role.
When the jungler does this, its so insanely frustrating. Like really bro. You don't see all of those minions? Not only are they going to shrek me but when I die, *I will miss that wave.* Or he'll decide that he wants to tower dive them when the three of us are not well suited to diving(such as a Sona/Kog bot lane and he's playing nocturne pre six). Or when he tries to gank and *you* have a huge wave of enemy minions at your turret and you can't just walk through them all because he decided he wanted to gank then. But I also agree that pinging for a gank in these kinds of situations is also bad. :/ It likely happens most often when people are tilted and frustrated that their lane is going poorly. I admit to being guilty of this sometimes. My mental isn't as good as it needs to be in games for me to actually climb.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnJrrJ1w,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-23T14:12:48.246+0000) > > No. The supports in my games do not understand the game better than me. >https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3179110157/228066420?tab=overview >This lux support who is 3/12 did not understand the game better than I did. I watched her walk past our minion wave, into their minion wave over and over again during laning phase and lose 3/4ths of her HP because minions hurt and enemy champions hurt. I had to heal for her at level 1 because she's leaving the zone by which I can actually help her trade to try and trade with the enemy. > > This Teemo Support did not understand the game better than I did. I solo killed my laner and used that to push for our tower. I took it, roamed mid and he continued to hang around bot lane for the next five minutes doing god knows what while I took mid turret. I then rotated top with our top laner who was strong and took *her* turret. > > https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3181540946/228066420?tab=overview You can cherry pick games all you want that doesn't make the general statement untrue. The Teemo is a Draven ADC main the Lux is an MF adc main. Also the Irony of using an 2 ADC mains as two of your three examples made me laugh. You kinda just proved my point.
No. You just proved my point. That the support player is generally the one screwing shit up, specifically because they are either autofilled or new. I literally said this *in my first post.* Holy shit. > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnJrrJ1w,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-23T08:55:01.255+0000) > > I'll reiterate. As the person who actually regularly plays both roles, usually I see the support fuck it up more. Which just makes sense considering the support is likely someone autofilled or someone who is new to the role; before this season, it wasnt popular. Next to ADC which is very rarely autofilled, it makes sense. Therefore, its *still* the support who screws things up. Regardless of whether they're a support main or not, they are still currently playing the support role and are *still* screwing it up. So by definition, supports screw it up more often than the ADC does.
Speeedy (NA)
: Season 10 Double Relic bot lanes?
It was never melee only. The execute just didn't exist for ranged champions. Ranged champions could buy it and use it; it was just harder. .-.
: > [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnJrrJ1w,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-23T13:47:54.908+0000) > > lol or you're ganking at a bad time. But that's not of my business, is it? BAD SALTY ADC THAT ALWAYS BLAMES HIS SUPPORT DETECTED
No, I don't blame my support for everything. There are games where I play badly and I acknowledge that I'm playing badly. I also acknowledge, however, that junglers, even people who main the role, are sometimes really stupid and gank at really bad times. We're human; we are fallible.
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