Janakin (EUNE)
: Exactly. Now show me how do you AA+Q+E+ignite with ONE button.
Show me how malphite oneshots with one button? You realize he uses his entire kit when he ults its not just his R activating his Q W and E.
: Remember when Riot tried to tell us this item was designed for Casters?
{{champion:105}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:1}} are casters no?
: When splitpushing 2 inhibitors + Baron isn't fucking enough.
Normally in my games closing out becomes really easy once you take multiple inhibitors and you have baroned minions smacking their nexus towers. At that point they can't engage on you, their towers are going to die in 20 seconds, they are getting poked down by enemy mage. They can't really do anything you just win without having to even fight. Looking at your match history you couldn't win due to bad team comp. No mage. 4 Melee's. No one on your team is itemizing correctly ( not even just slightly bad, they are completely off ). Also tbh you shouldn't have 6 deaths when playing one of the safest champions in the game.
: The issue isn't that things can't be tanky, it's that juggernauts and bruisers are doing tanks jobs better than they can while also adding their own part to the damage creep. That's the entire issue tank mains have with the {{item:3751}} changes -- It just adds more damage into the game turning them into ghetto divers instead of CC-focused durable tanks. Listing Sett and Darius as tanks when one has only ever existed after the "new booties" classification and one has never even built as a tank only further puts the issues in the spotlight. There are a total of 4 tanks even viable right now in their own lane, with the two you mentioned in your post {{champion:98}} and {{champion:78}} not even being among them, while others like {{champion:3}} and {{champion:111}} have been pushed out of the lane entirely. All the while, bruisers make up over half the top-lane's upper percentile, with the rest of the meta being a sprinkling of mages, ADCS, and, until the new patch reflects the changes to them, enchanters.
Top lane bruiser lane now go away
Hotarµ (NA)
: Yikes. Dog, the definition of fairy/centaur/unicorn/mermaid/whatever other word you want to throw around **literally** describes them as being mythical, fabled, or from folklore. The _word_ is real, the actual being is not. Nobody is saying unicorns are real, nobody is saying mermaids are real, you're saying my logic is bad when the point I made went **completely** over your head. Hate speech is a real word with a definition and actual, real-world applications. Saying "I hate _x_ people" is hate speech. Saying "All _x_ people do _y_" is hate speech. _It is synonymous with prejudice and discrimination._ This whole comparison between mythical beings and hate speech is pretty sad and very, _very_ inaccurate.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=000000000001000100000001000100000000,timestamp=2020-02-20T21:52:55.110+0000) > > Yikes. > > Dog, the definition of fairy/centaur/unicorn/mermaid/whatever other word you want to throw around **literally** describes them as being mythical, fabled, or from folklore. The _word_ is real, the actual being is not. Nobody is saying unicorns are real, nobody is saying mermaids are real, you're saying my logic is bad when the point I made went **completely** over your head. > > Hate speech is a real word with a definition and actual, real-world applications. Saying "I hate _x_ people" is hate speech. Saying "All _x_ people do _y_" is hate speech. _It is synonymous with prejudice and discrimination._ This whole comparison between mythical beings and hate speech is pretty sad and very, _very_ inaccurate. Imagine unironically using the word hate speech and prejudice lol. Shouldn't people like you be on plebbit?
: Could we implement a feature so that Bronze players cannot use chat until reaching at least Silver.
To be fair most players think players below them don't know how to play the game. Even in twitch rivals the challenger players think the diamonds have no clue how to play the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jon the Mormon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wtEttgRO,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2020-02-20T20:44:54.135+0000) > > Wasn't she refunded 30 mana if she touches an ally with her aura? She actually gets a mana cost reduction assuming that you can keep touching allies. Only a nerf to top lane sona, which is cancerous btw. The inital cost of the ability was increased by 25. Assuming you touch an ally, means that yes, you get 5 mana back per cast. Pre-nerf, her W cost 80 mana at rank 1. It now costs 105. Refunding 30 mana of that, makes the original cost 75....so yes, you are right. The negative side of this, is that the ability cost was increased, so if you don't have that 105 to cast the ability, the refund doesn't matter.
> [{quoted}](name=Wingrider,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wtEttgRO,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2020-02-20T20:57:52.339+0000) > > The inital cost of the ability was increased by 25. Assuming you touch an ally, means that yes, you get 5 mana back per cast. > > Pre-nerf, her W cost 80 mana at rank 1. It now costs 105. Refunding 30 mana of that, makes the original cost 75....so yes, you are right. > The negative side of this, is that the ability cost was increased, so if you don't have that 105 to cast the ability, the refund doesn't matter. If you have tear you get an even better mana efficiency.
Hotarµ (NA)
: ##Just gonna copy/paste an earlier response because of how laughable this comparison is. _____________________ >Definition of fairy 1: a mythical being of folklore and romance usually having diminutive human form and magic powers [](https://.) >Definition of centaur 1 Centaur : any of a race of creatures fabled to be half human and half horse and to live in the mountains of Thessaly They're still actual words. The dictionary definition even clarifies that they're fabled, mythical, fake beings. **But the word is still real with a real definition and real applications.** Great job of proving my point.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=0000000000010001000000010001,timestamp=2020-02-20T20:21:14.825+0000) > > ##Just gonna copy/paste an earlier response because of how laughable this comparison is. > > _____________________ > 1: a mythical being of folklore and romance usually having diminutive human form and magic powers > > [](https://.) > 1 Centaur : any of a race of creatures fabled to be half human and half horse and to live in the mountains of Thessaly > > They're still actual words. The dictionary definition even clarifies that they're fabled, mythical, fake beings. **But the word is still real with a real definition and real applications.** > > Great job of proving my point. Hate speech is real it says it right here in the dictionary. Unicorns are real it says it right here in the dictionary. Mermaids are real it says it right here in the dictionary. Bad logic.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Yeah. I linked a dictionary. You know, those things that define words. Like the one OP said "doesn't exist" even though there are multiple definitions and examples of it.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=00000000000100010000,timestamp=2020-02-20T19:47:19.510+0000) > > Yeah. I linked a dictionary. > > You know, those things that define words. Like the one OP said "doesn't exist" even though there are multiple definitions and examples of it. Unicorns don't exist but they are in the dictionary. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unicorn Your logic is bad. Edit: LOL another guy used the same example so heres another https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leprechaun
: Jarvan doesn't have a way out. Once he jumps in, he fully commits. Assassins (like Zed) have escapes built into their kit. Also, I was under the impression that Lee Sin is actually an assassin. Is he not?
That is such a bad definition of Assassin. Talon is obviously an Assassin but escaping is nearly impossible on him unless the situation perfectly aligns because he uses all his get out tools to get in. Lee Sin is played as an AD bruiser.
: > [{quoted}](name=ProphetOfDraven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AXgZH2Z4,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2020-02-20T19:04:25.018+0000) > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > > Assassins are picked because they're fun, doesn't mean they're strong. Looking at winrates? Top 10 in diamond consist of 7 assassins.....8 if you count Ahri as one. The banrates? 6 out of 10 are assassins. U.gg´s tier list? 8 assassins. You still wana say that mages are somehow better than this in soloq? xD Assassins get played the most, have the best winrates overall and the highest banrates and you wana call them better than the mages? Aight man whatever floats your boat. "Edit" Hells after checking i realized there are only 10 mages(counting ahri) with 50%+ winrate in diamond....yikes.
Never said they were better in soloque. Soloque is completely different from coordinated play ( what actually matters ). Assassins are highly reliant on getting a free lead, which is infinitely harder when you're coordinated than it is in soloque. Mages are safer and more reliable. It's a lot easier to carry games on an Assassin than a mage. LCS https://lol.gamepedia.com/Special:RunQuery/TournamentStatistics?TS%5Bpreload%5D=TournamentByChampionRole&TS%5Brole%5D=Mid&TS%5Btournament%5D=LCS/2020%20Season/Spring%20Season&pfRunQueryFormName=TournamentStatistics LEC https://lol.gamepedia.com/Special:RunQuery/TournamentStatistics?TS%5Bpreload%5D=TournamentByChampionRole&TS%5Brole%5D=Mid&TS%5Btournament%5D=LEC/2020%20Season/Spring%20Season&pfRunQueryFormName=TournamentStatistics
Morbys (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Powwer69,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2020-02-20T17:56:44.568+0000) > > Negative my good sir. The government specifically **does not** have the right to decide speech. If you're gonna spout on about rights like some ignorant talking point, you might actually want to educate yourself on how law works. But then again, americans aren't exactly known for their education. Just "mah rights!".
> [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2020-02-20T18:44:42.312+0000) > > If you're gonna spout on about rights like some ignorant talking point, you might actually want to educate yourself on how law works. But then again, americans aren't exactly known for their education. Just "mah rights!". If you can't even learn how to play a video game why would you participate in political discussion. https://imgur.com/a/VCrMGT4
Speeedy (NA)
: ADC are not the heavy damage dealers they once were. They never really recovered from the ardent meta. They needed their damage nerfed because they were so good they could 3 auto any squishy with 1.8 AS of undodgeable right clicking. So when they nerfed their damage to be brought in line with other roles it was **good**. Can we at least agree on this part? Then what they did, they started to make overall game shorter from 45 min to 30 min game time average. You can see this from the ardent meta to now, game time has gone down. That is a fact. Now you have a class that still scales on the 45 min game time in a 30 min games. They need to make them scale appropriately with the new game time. Your top adc are non crit builders because crit takes too long to work in solo Q with the exception of twitch because he can go invisible and catches people off guard. The top ADC are either early game focused or utility.
{{champion:145}} {{champion:498}} Build crit {{champion:21}} builds crit {{champion:523}} he does too. Only one that doesn't really is {{champion:235}}. ADC's are strong when they have two items. For most ADC's those items are {{item:3508}} {{item:3031}} or {{item:3095}} {{item:3031}}. Which you can get by 25 minutes even with zero kills. You're talking about lowering their item costs, but have you ever considered that maybe you're just bad at last hitting?
: > [{quoted}](name=ProphetOfDraven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AXgZH2Z4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2020-02-20T17:40:48.012+0000) > > No, mages are already the premier mid laners. The only reason you don't see artillery mages like vekroz xerath lux ziggs played much is because Zoe is just a better version of them. Dude XD Looking at both plati and diamond assassins are topping the pickrates for midlane. ... Truth on Zoe though.
>pickrates {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Assassins are picked because they're fun, doesn't mean they're strong.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Powwer69,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-02-20T17:27:15.205+0000) > > Yea, I will say whatever I want because I live in America, and I have that right. It's absolutely hilarious to me that the people who flaunt their "Freedom of Speech" have 0 idea how it **actually **works. Please do your research. You don't get to say whatever you want wherever you want without regard for the rules of the platform you're on. >Hate speech isn't real **https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate%20speech** **https://www.britannica.com/topic/hate-speech** **http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/hate** **https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hate-speech** **https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech** Need I say more? When a term is defined by multiple different sources, a few of them being incredibly respectable or credible (like Merriam Webster), that means it _is_ real. Just because you deny it's existence doesn't mean it's fake. It's just a term for general discrimination.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2020-02-20T18:11:13.870+0000) > > It's absolutely hilarious to me that the people who flaunt their "Freedom of Speech" have 0 idea how it **actually **works. > > Please do your research. You don't get to say whatever you want wherever you want without regard for the rules of the platform you're on. > > **https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate%20speech** > > **https://www.britannica.com/topic/hate-speech** > > **http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/hate** > > **https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hate-speech** > > **https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech** > > Need I say more? > > When a term is defined by multiple different sources, a few of them being incredibly respectable or credible (like Merriam Webster), that means it _is_ real. Just because you deny it's existence doesn't mean it's fake. It's just a term for general discrimination. Links dictionary https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580875823075164177/662352250655604766/image0.jpg
: Upcoming Jungler Predictions: Who is dank and who is stank
I think Talon will be the best jungler out of all the ones they are adding. And probably better in jungle than mid tbh. In mid he is taking up the place of a mage that could offer CC, scaling, AP damage. In the jungle he will just be an alternative to Lee sin. His clear is pretty decent already with his high base AD and decent single target and AOE damage. Personally I'll just go talisman. Look for a level 3 gank or invade. Then itemize straight into duskblade.
: Remove cancerous ranged AA from top lane
Rework juggernauts then we can talk about removing ranged top laners ( if removing juggernauts doesn't already solve the problem).
: Mages Need an Update
No, mages are already the premier mid laners. The only reason you don't see artillery mages like vekroz xerath lux ziggs played much is because Zoe is just a better version of them.
Zyniya (NA)
: Why Are Low Elo Bot Lanes "Trapped" Bot Until Both Towers Are Gone?
Normally your top laner goes and solo defends bot tower while the adc and sup sieges mid or takes his top tower for him.
: I mean, joke or not, sexism obviously isn't allowed here so the real snowflake here is you for thinking you can do whatever you want without punishment. You're lucky he didn't delete it and give you a warning for that.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKEz4yuV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-02-20T17:20:16.254+0000) > > I mean, joke or not, sexism obviously isn't allowed here so the real snowflake here is you for thinking you can do whatever you want without punishment. You're lucky he didn't delete it and give you a warning for that. I read the post, didn't seem like he was being sexist at all.
: 14 Days Ban by typing night night because is RACISM
r is literally right next to t on the keyboard.
Speeedy (NA)
: They don't do fulfill their job when they last for 3-5 seconds max before they die. I like the idea of tanks but right now they are very poorly implemented. They should they get out scaled as the game goes on yes but they are irrelevant from minute 1. I didn't give you any emotional response, I gave you fact why ADC have little impact in games outcomes. Crit ADC can be balanced if riot wants them to be but they do not listen to ideas on how. You could do one the following: 1. Force crit to 100% on 3 items. This way it removes the RNG and you can control how much damage output they do so its not RNG based. Say you have a standard build that gives 100% crit of {{item:3031}} {{item:3095}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3072}} {{item:3036}} and you want them to do 600 damage per auto. Well its pretty easy to change numbers around when there is no RNG to get them to do 600 damage per auto late game. 2. Redo crit into a damage multiplier. You have 100 AD and 50% crit so in 10 attacks you get the following: 100+100+100+100+100+200+200+200+200+200=1500 damage, 1500/10=150 damage per auto average. If you made crit a multiplier so your 100 AD with 50% multiplier(crit) you do 150 damage every auto, same output but easy to control numbers along the way again no RNG. Your reasoning off too much burst is not a good argument when almost every class now is a burst class with this high damage meta.
The reason tanks die so fast is because of ADC's. Trust me. I was pretty fed on Ornn the other day and the only champion who could even do damage to me was the enemy Tristana who was also fed, and her alone it took 10 full seconds to do 70% of my HP. Every class has become a burst class BECAUSE ADC'S HAVE TO BE ONESHOT OR YOU LOSE THE TEAMFIGHT. Like I said, they warp the meta around them. You're legit listing ways to buff adc's lol.
Lapantino (EUW)
: nice joke about aatrox haha
Aatrox is definitely affected by the nerfs but he still is a good champion and safe into pretty much every match. He can typically just farm it out and play for his midgame power spikes and teamfighting and just be more useful than the enemy top laner. Like technically he loses lane to Fiora but that doesn't really matter if the game is decided by 5v5 teamfights.
NedeN (EUNE)
: I don't know what im doing as a jungler anymore
You can't collect free wins when you lock in udyr in plat+
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hHm5v070,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-02-19T12:07:28.116+0000) > > Its a good thing hes not a mage then. Hes a juggernaut. so is vlad a jugg. They build two of the same items. They both heal a lot. They both deal massive ap dmg.
{{item:3151}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3157}} vs{{item:3152}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3907}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}}
: safe picks for top?
A lot of people listing a bunch of random ass champions. The safest top laners are {{champion:516}} and {{champion:266}}.
Durzaka (NA)
: The ability to steal ultimates made balance a nightmare. Being able to Flex is another big factor, but more towards pro play. But he was balanced around getting to use his ultimate a limited amount of time while laning unless he roamed because of the individual target cooldown, but as a jungler he completely negates that because he is always engaging in new targets. Nothing quite like trying to balance Sylas ganking an enemy Gnar top, stealing his ult and then going bot with it and making a bigger play than Gnar ever could hope to.
Certain champions are good vs certain champions. This has always been in the game. Riot literally said they only nerfed Sylas jungle because he was a flex pick. No clue why your trying to make up a bunch of other shit.
: So I guess its clear that you guys think playing the champ you want is not griefing?
It is griefing, thing is many players here are extremely low elo, bronze silver iron tier. And their normal gameplay would be considered griefing by many standards for players who know how to play the game. So I wouldn't take their word for anything really.
Speeedy (NA)
: oh your the guy who i said mages 2.0 to no wonder your name looked familiar, I don't like the way tanks work (or don't work actually) but that doesn't mean that they should be removed or changed completely to be like juggernauts/bruisers. Its riots job to balance what is in the game, you can change it mid season break or off season. Your stuck with what you got the rest of the 9 or 10 months of the year
Can you explain why you don't like tanks? I explained thoroughly why ADC's are unhealthy for the game, and it's not just an emotional response opinion.
Speeedy (NA)
: so crit marksman don't deserve a place in this game? they take too long to scale vs game time. Average game time is less than 31 minutes and in 25 min you are not even at your spike on average. That leaves you less than 5 minutes to influence the outcome of the game. They need to scale appropriately with average game time. It doesn't matter if a class is designed to counter another class. When the crit marksman are not relevant unless being extremely fed is a problem for the class.
Yes. Crit ADC's should be completely removed from the game. They completely warp game balance around themselves because of their insane burst per second. In season 5 50% of AP was added as tower damage making adc's lose their niche as tower destroyers so in turn they got gigabuffed into lawn mowers that completely destroy everyone if they don't get oneshot. Players want the game in its pre season 6 balance state which is when ADC's didn't have such insane damage and champions were mostly cooldown reliant. Crit marksmen are extremely strong and have been for multiple years. They just aren't very good at carrying low elo because they are semiscaling picks but low elo players have no clue how to stop themselves from falling behind. Also you are unlikely to get peeled as an ADC in soloque. You still see relics of the past like Voyboy playing tristana mid building absolutely no crit with {{item:3153}} {{item:3022}}{{item:3006}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3026}} {{item:3155}} as his build. Personally if I had it my way all crit items would be removed and ADC's would build pure AD / defensive, and rely more on their abilities ( which would have their AD ratios buffed ).
Speeedy (NA)
: best class? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEJqpZi38I8 low elo ADC is ranked 4th best high elo ADC is ranked 4th best Pro Play ADC is 3rd Best what makes them the best class when mid is clearly better?
When there are entire classes dedicated to countering your class and making your life unplayable because you're that insanely strong XD. P.S. I said class and not role.
Kai Guy (NA)
: I wont split hairs on it. I do want to point out that for his class he is an outlier for building it rather then it being a norm.
TBH he doesn't really need to build it anyway. He has pretty good innate waveclear. It's just such a good item and a really nice spike early.
Damon (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ProphetOfDraven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fKYvH2Bq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-02-19T17:58:16.243+0000) > > Demotion needs to be easier and instant. As soon as your LP drops below zero GONE. I'm tired of these boosted shitters just sitting in d4 and never fucking fall out. well my idea is for lower elo only so that wouldnt really apply, also my idea isnt for in between ranks just in between divisions
IMO it should all be instant if I'm gold 1 90 LP and I get +20 I'm plat 4 10 LP. If I'm plat 4 10 LP and get -20 I'm gold 1 90 LP. Plat 3 90 LP + 20 -> plat 2 10 LP.
: Problems with Riot on Tanks
Yeah I've been playing Ornn recently and tankiness is not the problem with tanks. The problem with tanks is miniscule late game damage. I can sit in a teamfight for 30 seconds and not die but that doesn't matter in the slightest if I do no damage.
Damon (NA)
: Suggestion about changes to demoting out of a rank
Demotion needs to be easier and instant. As soon as your LP drops below zero GONE. I'm tired of these boosted shitters just sitting in d4 and never fucking fall out.
: vlad and hourglass
Play vlad yourself, you'll learn he actually has a huge lack of damage and any MR at all ruins your day.
Speeedy (NA)
: {{item:3031}} {{item:3508}} {{item:3095}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3046}} just make them all 100-300 gold cheaper each and see if they can hit their 3 item spike at 25 min. Currently you have to have 5 kills, 5 assists and 200 cs @ 25 min and you are only 2.5 items plus boots.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Mundo is a Juggernaught right? Like {{champion:420}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:75}} ? Meh, I can live with it because {{champion:30}} Tank build only sometimes wants sunfire.
GFREEMEN (NA)
: Riot: Making Smurfs climb slower only helps them do what they make a smurf to do
This is like the 10th post today I've seen on this. LEARN TO FUCKING READ.
: Iron 2 is God tier Awful, Because this is where noob player accounts always place in ranked.
Or just learn to actually play the game? 1v9 hard carry is not really that hard in iron, but TBH I think you are intentionally trolling games to stay in low elo. You legitimately average 2.7 cs on Sylas. TWO POINT SEVEN. You actually average about the same CS on your mid lane Sylas games as your support Sylas (why) games. You take glacial without even building any glacial items ever. And then you have Jhin support games.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: Why is Ahri hated ? ( Discussion )
52% winrate in plat+ since I can remember with a high pickrate.
: @Riot: what about champions who like sunfire but have zero cc?
: Isn't being a flex pick really good though?
Is it bad? It only effects pro play.
: Instead of shifting from early game jungle meta., rito makes early game champs into junglers further alienating the late game jungler player base. 200 years of experience btw
Jungler has and always will be the early game role. What other role can influence the map the same way junglers do? They have to get punished in some way. For reasons I can only assume include pro play, they refuse to buff jungler late game and reduce their early game impact.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Progression system and skill system combined = Riots ranked System. Its really easy to understand.
: I actually like the changes but I like jungleing in smite and the junglers there are usualy assassins it just makes more sense
I used to jungle in Vainglory and it was hella fun. I played one hero that was basically Kalista + Olaf and another thats like talon but infinitely more fun and cool.
: Since supports wanna troll adcs Imma join in.
: This comment coming from someone who's spent their life in the toplane. It's because top is slowly becoming dominated by ranged champions that slow juggernauts like {{champion:86}} and {{champion:122}} can do next to nothing against. It's extremely unfun laning as {{champion:86}} into {{champion:235}} because they can attack you if you try to farm and kite back to tower if you try to engage. Even if they screw up and you take out a chunk of their health with an engage, they can just heal it off. League in general has always had a problem with ranged vs. immobile melee matchups and it's gotten worse with the resolve tree royally sucking and new overloaded ranged champs. However, those counters become significantly less of an issue when the immobile melee takes to the jungle since they don't have to lane against them. Also, {{champion:86}} does have the speed with his Q to charge into lane and {{champion:122}} has the CC. Their ganks are still somewhat mediocre but being able to play them somewhere other than "I hope you like {{champion:8}} and {{champion:133}}" top lane is nice. Seriously, though, nerf conq and buff the resolve tree.
Immobile melee's just have no place in league. They are just big stat checks that fuck normal melee's and get fucked by any ranged.
Durzaka (NA)
: Different kits is the answer to your question about Sylas and Qiyana vs. Garen and Darius. Sylas and Qiyanas gets were extremely oppressive in the jungle. ESPECIALLY at a pro level. Garen and Darius are very unlikely to cause any such problem, and all the change does is open up the option for some players (most likely in low elo) to use.
{{sticker:sg-lux-2}} How was Sylas jungle oppressive? Champion wasn't even that good of a jungler, he was just a flex pick.
: Diana wont be a better jungler with these changes and you completely leave out the new S tier jungler which is hilarious. {{champion:150}} will now be an S tier jungler once the learning curve adapts as the increased damage helps him clear but more importantly he now has a solid base movespeed which will make escaping from a jungle gnar really really hard. {{champion:122}} will be the other standard jungler to come out of these changes at a solid B to A rank pick due to the healing change and the dot damage change he will be at good health now which is the onlyy reason he couldn't jungle originally, heck i'd argue hes straight up a better jungler then vi now. I doubt zed or talon will remain in the jungle because they both need mid lane gold generation and support gold levels simply wont let them function no matter how good their clear is. edit: as an off note rammus will now be a top laner who builds on hit so technically we lose a jungler from the pool.
Gnar has no dueling, his ganks are garbage, his clear will be mediocore at best, he doesn't scale. How could you possibly see him being a good jungler.
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