: Lack of monstrous champs in league.
MORE MONSTERS! RIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
Leetri (EUW)
: Oh right, being able to talk is the only qualifier for being a human. I guess that implies that mute people aren't human since they can't talk, but parrots are humans since they can replicate the way we talk (even if they don't understand it, like a toddler). On a related note, regular house cats in the real world invented their own language (meowing) to communicate with humans because they realized we can't understand their normal ways of communicating. So regular cats do talk to us and we do understand them, even if they don't have distinct words.
> [{quoted}](name=Leetri,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=77Quts3V,comment-id=000c000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-26T18:52:40.271+0000) > > Oh right, being able to talk is the only qualifier for being a human. I guess that implies that mute people aren't human since they can't talk, but parrots are humans since they can replicate the way we talk (even if they don't understand it, like a toddler). > > On a related note, regular house cats in the real world invented their own language (meowing) to communicate with humans because they realized we can't understand their normal ways of communicating. So regular cats do talk to us and we do understand them, even if they don't have distinct words. The point is the ability to convey complex, abstract concepts to one another, which allow for technological and cultural advancement far beyond what a less cognitively endowed animal could do. We get it, animals are smart too, theyre not nearly as smart as us tho, and especially not in a way that lets them figure out engineering problems to build a gun and shoot you with.
: How about a new champion is made with lovecraftian horror themes rather than BUTCHERING an already existing champion's identity... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=Zacaroni Salad,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=77Quts3V,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2019-10-26T17:53:38.502+0000) > > How about a new champion is made with lovecraftian horror themes rather than BUTCHERING an already existing champion's identity... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} They ALREADY removed what made Volibear himself even with the latest design. Armor? Nope Honorable and wise bear shaman/chieftain? Nope (he's been portrayed in everything, even the Ornn story, as a violent warmonger, even without the "lovecraftian" elements) Now what they kept. Bear? Yes (but so was silence for the damned Voli) Lightning themed? Yes (but so was silence for the damned Voli) The original "feel" of the OG Voli isnt there anymore even after they removed the "horror" element. I mean ffs sake they removed his armor in exchange for a loincloth. That STILL isnt Voli.
Kelg (NA)
: The monster Volibear was just an image of him through Udyr's point of view, rather than his actual self, confirmed by riot. The one you play as will be the actual volibear, how he truly is. The best they could do is make an eldritch abomination legendary skin for Voli tbh, that way they don't upset voli mains.
> [{quoted}](name=Kelg,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zandhm5A,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-25T16:02:08.195+0000) > > The monster Volibear was just an image of him through Udyr's point of view, rather than his actual self, confirmed by riot. The one you play as will be the actual volibear, how he truly is. > > The best they could do is make an eldritch abomination legendary skin for Voli tbh, that way they don't upset voli mains. That's how Udyr and basically EVERYONE else in the Freljord saw him and his followers. In Ornn's story he's also portrayed as ruthless and violent, not honorable and wise (which is current Voli). So how many more points of view are "wrong" about Voli? Is Voli just some poor guy who's super misunderstood by literally EVERYONE? How nice could he really be when everyone sees him as a literal warmongering monster. What Riot has done is a huge 180 because of all the crying on Reddit. Obviously I don't speak for all Voli mains, but I have more than 1mil mastery points on Voli, he's basically my most played champion, the reason I even STARTED playing LoL back in the day was because I thought Volibear was awesome. So all the people going "T-THATS JUST HOW UDYR SAW HIM SILLY" is a whole lotta cope. Riot promised us something which got one set of people excited, then took it back. So unless they rework all his lore again, there will STILL be a disconnect between what he was and what he is, he just LOOKS more like old Voli now (and arguably even more bland and generic, he doesnt even have his armor anymore).
: > [{quoted}](name=RÉÁL HÚMÁN BÉÁN,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=77Quts3V,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-24T16:44:49.682+0000) > > "we always complain that they dont listen to the mains when it comes to VGUs" > > Who is this "we"? You realize everyone who plays this game isnt some collective hivemind. I'm a Voli main and I was perfectly fine with the direction they were taking him with his lore, it was interesting and a lot more original. > > And then you have the literal fact that Riot teased a completely different champion, changed his lore without trying to get anyone's opinion on it, then turned around and backed out at the last second. "we" is obviously us, the fanbase who ALWAYS complained that a VGU "completely ignored what made people like the champion". from Swain not being crippled and younger looking to pantheon being too badass or anime or whatever. I was excited for eldrich Voli too, I was disappointed they didnt go for it. but they did state they were going for what the mains as a whole wanted, and as it turns out, many did want the more classic volibear. and just because you are a main does not mean you speak for the whole community of volibear mains.
> [{quoted}](name=TheMan292,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=77Quts3V,comment-id=00030000000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-24T17:14:28.891+0000) > > "we" is obviously us, the fanbase who ALWAYS complained that a VGU "completely ignored what made people like the champion". from Swain not being crippled and younger looking to pantheon being too badass or anime or whatever. > > I was excited for eldrich Voli too, I was disappointed they didnt go for it. but they did state they were going for what the mains as a whole wanted, and as it turns out, many did want the more classic volibear. and just because you are a main does not mean you speak for the whole community of volibear mains. It's ironic you're saying that just because I'm a Voli main I don't speak for the whole community, while in the same breath saying that "WE complain about reworks". So I don't speak for the whole community but the whole community speaks for me? Cause I'm not really over here complaining about reworks of champions I don't play, so I'm not part of the "we" you're talking about. Either way, it's a matter of opinion, and regardless of what people say they want Riot handled the whole thing in a really haphazard way. They basically bait and switched at the last moment, leaving a lot of unsatisfied people, which could have been avoided by just sticking with something closer to the original from the beginning. Instead they changed his entire lore with the intention of moving him in one direction, then going LOL NVM at the very end, it's annoying.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChasmOfTrossm,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=77Quts3V,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-10-24T15:58:31.581+0000) > > What do you mean? we always complain that they dont listen to the mains when it comes to VGUs. the one time they do, we attack them for it
> [{quoted}](name=TheMan292,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=77Quts3V,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-10-24T16:34:41.955+0000) > > we always complain that they dont listen to the mains when it comes to VGUs. the one time they do, we attack them for it "we always complain that they dont listen to the mains when it comes to VGUs" Who is this "we"? You realize everyone who plays this game isnt some collective hivemind. I'm a Voli main and I was perfectly fine with the direction they were taking him with his lore, it was interesting and a lot more original. And then you have the literal fact that Riot teased a completely different champion, changed his lore without trying to get anyone's opinion on it, then turned around and backed out at the last second.
: Horror themed Volibear Is Better: Bring It Back, Or At Least Do Something For The Fans Who Loved It
Agreed, the theme of a primal, frightening and brutal deity with dark imagery of followers "lost to the darker aspects of nature" was awesome. Him being an "honorable warrior bear" is basically no longer Volibear's personality with how his lore was reworked. He is brutal now, saying that's "just how the people in the story saw him" is WAY too much of a disconnect. If people see him as a murderous, rage filled beast and he is worshiped and feared as such throughout the Freljord, how much different are you gonna make his "actual" personality be? That doesn't really work well.
: > [{quoted}](name=RÉÁL HÚMÁN BÉÁN,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O8JdTE7v,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-01T21:45:28.648+0000) > > To me the new Voli is a welcome change of pace for the generic "me from freljord, me lead tribe of barbarian like people to war for victory/honor/survival/whatever the hell. He gives off very Lovecraftian vibes to be sure, though he's far from being just Cthulhu, he's more reminiscent of something out of Bloodborne, rather than coming off as an incomprehensible alien being (the closest thing to that being shit from the Void I guess? Although the void always felt like an almost cartoony attempt at something Lovecraftian), the new Voli is more like a corrupted, primal nature spirit. > > There's an interesting blend of Lovecraftian and nature worship, as he's a bear deity with a twist. One thing which is often missing from the stereotypical forest or nature spirit is that nature can, and often IS fucking terrifying and unforgiving. Volibear's new lore makes it feel like he's some sort of brutal, wendigo like creature, drive by a mad hunger and bloodlust. > > All in all, it's a unique take on a champion that wasn't aging very well with the times. The biggest beast of all, the times, Kaz. A change of pace and a more interesting story were definately needed. There was potential for a much more fitting story however. I'd rather Riot had gone with Warthful Thunder god, embodiment of War instead of Void demon-wendigo-bear hybrid. The former would have kept much of Volibear's themes intact while doing away with the generic story he had before. I must reiterate, it's a great story! Fantastic even, but it's a poor fit for Volibear. It does very little to appeal to those who like Volibear for his current themes and aesthetic. I'll repeat my point from my last post: Imagine if Riot decided to rework Ivern and use upcoming Perverse Ivern skin as a continution of his story. Could you write the change in such a way that it makes sense from a lore perspective? Absolutely! You could create a story about how Ivern begins to regress back to his roots (Heh) and resurface more of his old, cruel personality. The problem with this is that such a drastic tone shift is bound to alienate many of his current playerbase. If you liked Ivern because of his Goofy and Whimsical personality... there's a sizable chance you won't like his new persona Yes, he's still a walking tree, he still has the same name, he still uses (what I assume to be) nature magic, but the champion's theme is nothing like it was before. It's going to cause certain players who loved his old personality to consider dropping him, and other players who didn't like his goofy persona to (maybe) take a liking to him.
> [{quoted}](name=Grizzlpaw,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O8JdTE7v,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-01T21:58:03.060+0000) > > A change of pace and a more interesting story were definately needed. > > There was potential for a much more fitting story however. I'd rather Riot had gone with Warthful Thunder god, embodiment of War instead of Void demon-wendigo-bear hybrid. The former would have kept much of Volibear's themes intact while doing away with the generic story he had before. > > I must reiterate, it's a great story! Fantastic even, but it's a poor fit for Volibear. It does very little to appeal to those who like Volibear for his current themes and aesthetic. > > I'll repeat my point from my last post: > > Imagine if Riot decided to rework Ivern and use upcoming Perverse Ivern skin as a continution of his story. > > > Could you write the change in such a way that it makes sense from a lore perspective? Absolutely! You could create a story about how Ivern begins to regress back to his roots (Heh) and resurface more of his old, cruel personality. The problem with this is that such a drastic tone shift is bound to alienate many of his current playerbase. If you liked Ivern because of his Goofy and Whimsical personality... there's a sizable chance you won't like his new persona > > Yes, he's still a walking tree, he still has the same name, he still uses (what I assume to be) nature magic, but the champion's theme is nothing like it was before. It's going to cause certain players who loved his old personality to consider dropping him, and other players who didn't like his goofy persona to (maybe) take a liking to him. Well, for me (and a lot of other Voli players i've spoken to) the moment they turned him into a deity, they betrayed more or less the essence of original Voli. He used to be a wise, well meaning shaman of his tribe, who inherited great power as he proved himself worthy. He used to have quotes like "Let strength and wisdom guide me", that's a far cry from the scumbag they made him into when he was JUST a lightning bear god of war (in the Ornn story). They kind shat on the "honorable, wise bear warrior-shaman thing" concept they had going with him. Him incorporating some more horrible aspects was result of moving away from his original concept a simple, well meaning member of his tribe. I have a lot of love for the original Voli lore, but I'm also a huge fan of the new grotesque Voli. It's sort of a go hard go home type deal for me, if you're gonna betray my expectations of what the champion used to BE, personality wise, don't hold back if it results in a legitimately good concept. If he was JUST a thunder bear god, I would be like "well that's cool i guess but did they have to trivialize Volibear's struggle for his 'people'?". I'm obviously biased in favor of the direction they took with him because i think it's fucking sick, but yea. One thing I'm unsure about, is how are they gonna adapt the new Voli to his older skins. "Captain Volibear the eldritch abomination" ...is gonna be weird. In short, I totally get where you're coming from, and even agree with you that this is a HUGE change for a rework, probably the most jarring rework of any champion. I just don't think it's a bad thing.
: Voli's new Story is really cool. There's just one problem...
To me the new Voli is a welcome change of pace for the generic "me from freljord, me lead tribe of barbarian like people to war for victory/honor/survival/whatever the hell. He gives off very Lovecraftian vibes to be sure, though he's far from being just Cthulhu, he's more reminiscent of something out of Bloodborne, rather than coming off as an incomprehensible alien being (the closest thing to that being shit from the Void I guess? Although the void always felt like an almost cartoony attempt at something Lovecraftian), the new Voli is more like a corrupted, primal nature spirit. There's an interesting blend of Lovecraftian and nature worship, as he's a bear deity with a twist. One thing which is often missing from the stereotypical forest or nature spirit is that nature can, and often IS fucking terrifying and unforgiving. Volibear's new lore makes it feel like he's some sort of brutal, wendigo like creature, drive by a mad hunger and bloodlust. All in all, it's a unique take on a champion that wasn't aging very well with the times. The biggest beast of all, the times, Kaz.
: Holy hell Volibear is terrifying.
AWWWWWWWWWWWW HELL YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I'm the one voli main who's also into lovecraft and maaaan, the new voli seems like something straight out of bloodborne. Fear the old bear {{champion:106}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:106}}
: Experiment: Community Patch Notes
{{champion:19}} I would really like to see Warwick's **W - Blood Hunt** act more consistently, the problem remains where you will be running down the lane directly at an enemy without any sort of damage or anything impeding your movement speed bonus and it just does NOT work. It needs to be made so that walking directly along the path of the blood scent gives you the movement speed, its unintuitive, clunky and doesnt function properly half the time. A side note on riot claiming that "Warwick's early game is too strong, and his lategame is on the weak side" and then proceeding to nerf both his early AND lategame with those **Q - Jaws of the Beast** nerfs on all levels.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 30
Rather than talking about how to nerf Warwick how about making the champion work properly half the time? Fixing the pathing on his blood hunt to not randomly take away your movement speed when youre moving directly in the blood trail. If your enemy is running in a straight line down mid lane, and youre following the exact same straight line, the speed boost should work every time, not only sometimes.
UomoAfide (EUW)
: Could have Riot done better? Yes. Is Kai'Sa appearance a bit disappointing considering their track record for the female champs released in past years? Indeed. Did Riot create a problem designing a bit too much characters sporting the "femme fatale" concept? Absolutely. Is this the end of the Earth and the instigation of violence and disrespect against women? Not really.
> [{quoted}](name=AphidMan,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=gF7psovy,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-03-22T23:53:17.178+0000) > > Could have Riot done better? Yes. > Is Kai'Sa appearance a bit disappointing considering their track record for the female champs released in past years? Indeed. > Did Riot create a problem designing a bit too much characters sporting the "femme fatale" concept? Absolutely. > Is this the end of the Earth and the instigation of violence and disrespect against women? Not really. Thats honestly the only problem i have with it. We were supposed to be getting Kassadin's infamous daughter who was taken by the void, hyped up as someone who had survived the horrors and integrated parts of creatures into herself and we geeeet.....a generic chick with some purple shoulder pads. So dumb
: Opposite of your assumption: media does not reflect culture; media *shapes* culture. People aren't given what they want. People want what they've been given. There is zero reason certain physical features should be considered "conventionally attractive;" human beings living in the tundra or rainforest have very different ideas about what makes a woman "beautiful." Most Western people have roughly the same idea of what "beauty" is *because media shaped that image.* Reinforcing it in video games makes the lives of "less attractive women" more difficult. You have no idea how "unattractive" women are ignored in society.
> [{quoted}](name=Alexiterio,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=gF7psovy,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2018-03-22T22:36:17.010+0000) > > Opposite of your assumption: media does not reflect culture; media *shapes* culture. > People aren't given what they want. > People want what they've been given. > There is zero reason certain physical features should be considered "conventionally attractive;" human beings living in the tundra or rainforest have very different ideas about what makes a woman "beautiful." Most Western people have roughly the same idea of what "beauty" is *because media shaped that image.* > > Reinforcing it in video games makes the lives of "less attractive women" more difficult. > You have no idea how "unattractive" women are ignored in society. >There is no reason certain physical features should be considered conventionally attractive Factually incorrect, certain physical features are indicative of health, fertility and good genetics. There have been many studies about this, facial and body symmetry, etc. There are "objectively" attractive features for humans. and media doesnt spawn out of thin air, media is a response to what people generally like/want. Granted it CAN become a feedback loop where the media constantly reinforces what we already wanted, but media isnt some magical entity removed from human desire that spawned from the void. What sells will continue to be made, and it will continue to be made with its target audience in mind, because giving people what they want is how a good company stays in business.
: All these objectified tits lately are NOT ok.
I dont complain about the fact that Gragas is the epitome of male beauty, and I could never achieve such thiccness. In all seriousness though get outta here with that bs, nobody is crying over Lee Sin's abs, or the fact that Taric is literally ripping his shirt off showing off his muscles in half his skins, etc. A bunch of the male champions show off an impractical amount of skin like the women do, despite the fact that theyre supposed to be warriors who SHOULD be more covered up.
: When will we get a Void event?
: Honestly, Thank You Riot & Lore Team
: Thought you meant Voli or Udyr.
> [{quoted}](name=A True Bald,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WVtAAKcq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-25T19:41:13.619+0000) > > Thought you meant Voli or Udyr. you misspelled {{champion:98}}
PiVoRx (EUNE)
: Everything gets buffed on PBE beside Master Yi..
{{champion:106}} Didnt get buffed, the hell man. minus uno
: {{champion:26}} "In my day, we would never have allowed an armored bear into the League of Legends."
> [{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QFLUuEBc,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2017-03-17T03:15:28.983+0000) > > {{champion:26}} "In my day, we would never have allowed an armored bear into the League of Legends." {{champion:106}} "Your time has run out, Chronokeeper."
: Cancer. Cancer never changes.
Cancer... has changed. It's no longer about the community, balance or fun. It's an endless series of ranked battles, fought by tryhards and Koreans. Cancer, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. Cancer has changed... {{champion:106}}
: Ahh Volibear, one of those mongloid champs created by Genghis Khan himself. Go ham my friend, go ham.
> [{quoted}](name=Bel Boz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lmAO4w1j,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-11T22:48:31.135+0000) > > Ahh Volibear, one of those mongloid champs created by Genghis Khan himself. Go ham my friend, go ham. NEVER LOSE LANE
: A visual update for Shen would be nicer than a gameplay one. What Shen has right now: Q - Decent damage through early/mid game, low range but workable. Regen per max health gives him a sustain boost in lane, barely noticeable in teamfights. Proposed changes: Change to a melee combo, where it behaves like Riven's Q but needs a auto attack to initiate the animation. Instead of damage and mobility, it could enhance upon what Vorpal Blade already does: Magic damage and regeneration. First attack should deal some magic damage, second additional magic damage Vorpal Blade regen triggers for Shen, third attack deals additional magic damage and leaves the Vorpal Blade mark (a more powerful one than he currently has). This effectively takes away his only poke, but opens up room to move some real power into his Q (and cool animations, with special ones for a Ki strike proc would be great) W - Its a useful tool, and the utility to reduce cooldown on Ki strike is great. The shield is okish, not great but not bad. Proposed changes: Difficult to change this to a more ninjaish theme without making it super op, I feel it should remain a utility skill that enhances upon Shen's survivability but maybe it could offer something to the team. I would suggest a smoke bomb that blocks vision from outside the circle, but offers vision inside it (contemplating on letting friendlies have vision to outside, while inside to prevent trolling). This would allow Shen to taunt a enemy and remove their vision of the world around them, or hide a friendly, it would also distance the good Shen's from the bad Shen's (lol did you just save that enemy from Cait ult). Shen should get the extra Ki strike cooldown on hit if he is fighting within the smoke. It could also help immensely with objectives, since Shen can hide them for a short period. Forcing the enemy to enter the smoke to steal. I would not make it actual invisibility, but more like Graves. Leaving the smoke should instantly reveal you. E - Feel like this is his signature skill, I wouldn't change it except for moving the damage from it to the Q. I've unintentionally stolen kills with that 50 magic damage taunt (level it last). A updated animation would be cool though. R - Also a signature skill, difficult to buff without breaking into the op realm. But lackluster if it is no longer global, maybe a updated animation where the Eye of Equilibrium is displayed on the shielded champ. Passive - I personally love the way Ki strike works right now, it should give each version of Q a different animation while retaining the regular animation for a regular auto attack. This would give Shen a fresh feel, without actually changing too much about his passive. Shen scales with health, ap (though ap Shen is bad) and AS. I feel this is in a good spot, though the ap ratio's on Shen are really good it really does nothing for the team to go ap.

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