Tele II (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:10:36.834+0000) > > there should be no such situation in an free and civil country where someone can sell you something and take it away. if you explained this concept to someone 50 years ago they'd tell you no way and over their dead body. what have this world come to? They shouldn't refund me because I've had enough, they should refund me if they ever ban me outright. They haven't yet but if they ever outright ban my account permanently, no, at all, I should get a full refund. you don't get to take away something I paid for. try selling someone a car and then taking it away from them. Good way to get shot dead. This company is unamerican and until their policies change they shouldn't even be ALLOWED TO OPERATE in the USA. Yet you STILL bought into it. You sound ridiculous and massively entitled now man. Stop. You made the choice. Hell, Riot didnt even come to you. YOU had to seek it and sign up and everything. You either read or didn't read the terms. Thats your choice. Did you choose ignorance, or did you choose to support something you dont agree with by spending money on it? Theyre both bad, and you need to stop projecting and start taking some damn responsibility for your choices.
Lol. LOOT BOX SYSTEM UNAVOIDABLE? Total bs dude. There are SCORES of companies that NEVER do this. Plenty of companies still sell you an entire game without any micro-transaction BS. It shouldn't even be tolerated. I feel bad for the devs because they created something great but their management is just so mediocre. Same reason I don't feel bad so many league knockoffs have been made and i'd rather play them because at least some of them chose NO censorship if they couldn't moderate competently. it's cute how the only reason voice chat isn't a secondary replacement for all players not just groups, is only because they can't watch you. Surveillance is always bad, and it reeks of similar U.S government authoritarian state policy.
Tele II (NA)
: Video game addictions suck. Ive been addicted to em for like 20 years with a small 2 year or so no video game period in there around my early 20s. Im not addicted to league, starcraft is more my vice. I dont know what to tell you, as I have not overcome this addiction myself, just thought I'd commiserate with you lol. Actually... after reading through the entire post I think youre just bitter from your ban and obsessing over how unjustly you feel you were treated. Youre making some pretty big stretches, like all these "solutions" that you make sound so easy. Maybe you just havent thought of the downsides? Ban IP addresses? Have you thought of the downside? The entire dorms that could be banned because of 1 person's actions? The fact that its easy as fuck to change your IP address? Or perma chat mutes? Did you know that they used to do this and it caused greater problems with trolling and griefing being the chat muted players' alternative to flaming? It actually increased toxicity in a much harder to moderate way. You just seem to be clouded. You have massive depression, anxiety, and youre addicted to a video game. Yet you focus on Riot. Youre misdirecting. I wish you luck in quitting the game. I hope you do, it seems like it would be good for you.
> [{quoted}](name=Tele II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:45:04.887+0000) > > Video game addictions suck. Ive been addicted to em for like 20 years with a small 2 year or so no video game period in there around my early 20s. Im not addicted to league, starcraft is more my vice. I dont know what to tell you, as I have not overcome this addiction myself, just thought I'd commiserate with you lol. > > Actually... after reading through the entire post I think youre just bitter from your ban and obsessing over how unjustly you feel you were treated. Youre making some pretty big stretches, like all these "solutions" that you make sound so easy. Maybe you just havent thought of the downsides? Ban IP addresses? Have you thought of the downside? The entire dorms that could be banned because of 1 person's actions? The fact that its easy as fuck to change your IP address? > > Or perma chat mutes? Did you know that they used to do this and it caused greater problems with trolling and griefing being the chat muted players' alternative to flaming? It actually increased toxicity in a much harder to moderate way. > > You just seem to be clouded. You have massive depression, anxiety, and youre addicted to a video game. Yet you focus on Riot. Youre misdirecting. > > I wish you luck in quitting the game. I hope you do, it seems like it would be good for you. I do fairly well in life despite my troubles. Before getting any more bullshit from Riot (but really Tencent since Riot's their servant now im willing to bet) i'll just opt out. It's been about a week and i'm pretty much over it. Perma chat mutes are great, if players continue to be toxic they need to find a way to deal with them, even if it means only moderating ranked games, not shilling out on the whole procedure for a much lazier one. Or, do what Rockstar did, and put all the trolls on a separate server. Like they did in GTA 5.
: > there should be no such situation in an free and civil country where someone can sell you something and take it away You were not sold anything. You paid for access to something, akin to going to the movies. You do not own any League of Legends content, you pay to unlock it and use it.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:16:28.951+0000) > > You were not sold anything. You paid for access to something, akin to going to the movies. You do not own any League of Legends content, you pay to unlock it and use it. it has been custom and expected in the video game industry that when you "buy" something and the store says "BUY" ON ITEMS YOU CAN BUY, NOT RENT, that it means, YOU OWN THEM. And when gaming companies have tried to "rent" you product, there are viewed as pieces of shit in whole by the majority of gaming society. and Riot is no exception. I'm so glad I know how to pirate things and use programs to mod skins and other content so I never, ever, have to deal, with that bullshit. And you can bet in the future, and in the present, we are continuing to develop programs and ways to use the paid content for free. Serves them right. Wooxy is gone but, it was a great thing for a long time and for great reason. This company and companies like it have nothing but pestlience coming to them and they deserve if they don't reform. Much like how blizzard got huge backlash for punishing a player for saying "Free Hong kong". That's not neutrality, that's taking sides. And it's especially important to be critical of or revolt against THE CHINESE COMPANIES. China is the worst, it's like 1984 by George Orwell up in that country, and there companies are morally bankrupt. NEVER Trust a company if it's chinese. and Tencent is.
Julevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:26:00.044+0000) > >I can't see how anyone with ethical standards and understanding of TOS would agree to play. And still ... you did it?
> [{quoted}](name=Julevi,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:29:26.630+0000) > > And still ... you did it? because hopefully you can bypass it and go along with it. do you think inmates agree to the terms of probation because they want to? Or because they have little choice. do you agree to the laws you live by because you want to? Or because you have no choice or the choice of leaving the country is difficult No, Riot does not negotiate, they extort and coerce, and this, is coercion.
: This game is bad for my health. I've had near breakdowns over it
further evidence of complete blind allegiance to a company that does nothing but SCREW OVER IT'S COMMUNITY is seen by the amount of downvotes im getting. You really think I don't have a single iota for sense in my statement? Really? There is no situations or perspectives where it could make sense to any of you? Riiiight.....
Ehhhh (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:10:36.834+0000) > > there should be no such situation in a free and civil country where someone can sell you something and take it away. if you explained this concept to someone 50 years ago they'd tell you no way and over their dead body. what have this world come to? They shouldn't refund me because I've had enough, they should refund me if they ever ban me outright. They haven't yet but if they ever outright ban my account permanently, no, at all, I should get a full refund. you don't get to take away something I paid for. try selling someone a car and then taking it away from them. Good way to get shot dead. This company is unamerican and until their policies change they shouldn't even be ALLOWED TO OPERATE in the USA. That's still stupid. You agreed to the terms, accepting that you understood that if you get banned you won't get your money back. You aren't buying the right to personally own the skins like you would with a car. You are buying the right to use them, like renting a car. If you rented a car, and ended up breaking the rules of the rent, the original owner has the right to take that car from you, without refund. Same with how if you spent money on this game, and you break the rules, they can take your account access away without a refund. If they gave you refunds when you got banned, what's stopping everyone from getting banned and getting their money back when they feel like they have had enough of LoL? that's not gonna leave any profit for Riot to keep.
> [{quoted}](name=Ehhhh,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:15:34.095+0000) > > That's still stupid. You agreed to the terms, accepting that you understood that if you get banned you won't get your money back. You aren't buying the right to personally own the skins like you would with a car. You are buying the right to use them, like renting a car. If you rented a car, and ended up breaking the rules of the rent, the original owner has the right to take that car from you, without refund. Same with how if you spent money on this game, and you break the rules, they can take your account access away without a refund. If they gave you refunds when you got banned, what's stopping everyone from getting banned and getting their money back when they feel like they have had enough of LoL? that's not gonna leave any profit for Riot to keep. even more reason they shouldn't be allowed to operate then. You don't actually own anything you pay for. Business models like this are EXTREMELY UNETHICAL just like that google idea Stadia. Renting a game you paid full price to stream for? Disgusting. These are things people should protest and vote with their dollar about. It's wrong. 100% wrong. As I said, at the least if they ever outright permaban they refund them. I can't see how anyone with ethical standards and understanding of TOS would agree to play. At that must be why they try so hard to appeal the game to children.
: This game is bad for my health. I've had near breakdowns over it
I meant to say there has NEVER been a test like that on a wide scale and if there was any test at all i've never heard of it. It is an improvement regardless. To remove their ability to flame in chat. Even if they int. which is another reason to ban them.
Julevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:49:09.844+0000) > > I think I've become addicted to this game as I play it once or twice a day or every other day, and there isn't a week I go without playing league once. I start feeling bad if I haven't played in awhile, perhaps because the game feeds your endorphins or whatever chemical in your brain gives you the satisfaction of playing it. If you truly belive that you are addicted:** please get help. ** Contact professionals if needed, talk about your issue with friends or family, try to break out of the circle as soon as you can. Quitting is not easy but you can do this. > Riot claims they censor speech if it's negative, but it truly makes little difference at all, and sometimes it makes it alot worse. Mind elaborating that? > Either find a way to permanently ban people, by IP or MAC address or something, or don't ban anyone at all for any reason, except maybe DDosing or cheating. So just because they can't ban people 100% for sure they should ditch the whole thing? >They also could instead permanently ban people from using chat Riot tried that in the past with negative results - some people colltected stacking CR like cards others found another way to express their anger/frustration and started griefing/trolling. >disable chat permanently. As far as I know there are already options for that. > I feel like I need therapy as I have massive depression and panic attacks over these incidents, with these terrible people. Sorry to say: but if one game, a single multiplayer game, causes such extreme reactions from you - I doubt that this is the only thing that's wrong your life which provides negative impact. > I was once banned for saying "my team... so heavy". That as all I said and got 2 week banned. I doubt that. Feel free to provide evidence for this claim. > I've reported so many people who said far worse things and i never once got a notification they were dealt with. You won't always get feedback that a player got punished - that does not mean that they don't have to face a punishment at all. > > Riot, you do not care about us. If you did you would do one of the following: > Ip or MAC address bans on toxic players, or Easiest thing in the world to circument this measure. > Add chat bans or disabled chat permanently to the options or enforce them on toxic players, removing their ability to chat at all, or Please inform yourself a bit more about the tests Riot ran in the past and their results.
> [{quoted}](name=Julevi,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:15:26.050+0000) > > If you truly belive that you are addicted:** please get help. ** > Contact professionals if needed, talk about your issue with friends or family, try to break out of the circle as soon as you can. Quitting is not easy but you can do this. > > Mind elaborating that? > > So just because they can't ban people 100% for sure they should ditch the whole thing? > > Riot tried that in the past with negative results - some people colltected stacking CR like cards others found another way to express their anger/frustration and started griefing/trolling. > > As far as I know there are already options for that. > > Sorry to say: but if one game, a single multiplayer game, causes such extreme reactions from you - I doubt that this is the only thing that's wrong your life which provides negative impact. > > I doubt that. Feel free to provide evidence for this claim. > > You won't always get feedback that a player got punished - that does not mean that they don't have to face a punishment at all. > > Easiest thing in the world to circument this measure. > > Please inform yourself a bit more about the tests Riot ran in the past and their results. there has been a test on the general community of disabling chat for them. If they are griefing, guess what, they grief now even with chat. another reason they should be banned regardless. Actually, how about, when we report them for inting, if they get reported enough, they are put into low priority queue? perhaps permanently? Is that not enough? Maybe, but it is an improvement. Here's the actual text from what I said and what I got banned on. Here's your evidence. Game 1 In-Game Razgriz Hivemind: Finish the lyric Razgriz Hivemind: WOAH BLACK BETTY Razgriz Hivemind: exactly what yas said i agree Razgriz Hivemind: finish the lyric Razgriz Hivemind: WOAH BLACK BETTY Razgriz Hivemind: come onnnn Razgriz Hivemind: LOL Razgriz Hivemind: BAM BA LAM SHE REALLY GETS MY HIGH THATS NO LIE Razgriz Hivemind: sHE'S FROM BURGMINGHAM WAY DOWN IN ALABAM Razgriz Hivemind: that song is so good Razgriz Hivemind: um. Razgriz Hivemind: The song is about a car Razgriz Hivemind: But i love that too, Razgriz Hivemind: thanks Razgriz Hivemind: if u waited Razgriz Hivemind: just a moment Razgriz Hivemind: we would both live Razgriz Hivemind: dummy Razgriz Hivemind: What did u expect? Razgriz Hivemind: im way stronger than you early man.... Razgriz Hivemind: whats wrong with that Razgriz Hivemind: my team Razgriz Hivemind: so heavy Razgriz Hivemind: u win this game dont worry Razgriz Hivemind: evidence? Razgriz Hivemind: yeah right Razgriz Hivemind: not one thing said Razgriz Hivemind: i've been told otherwise Razgriz Hivemind: how is black betty racist Razgriz Hivemind: lol okay Razgriz Hivemind: that song is awesome Razgriz Hivemind: Spiderbait cover is better Razgriz Hivemind: well mid and bot lane are showing promise Razgriz Hivemind: i thought they were inting on purpose Razgriz Hivemind: meanwhile top flames me Razgriz Hivemind: im not 1/5. im not inting. don't Hivemind: alright Razgriz Hivemind: you wanna stop being toxic gp? Razgriz Hivemind: and play the game are you okay? Razgriz Hivemind: k.... Razgriz Hivemind: lets win this then Razgriz Hivemind: yeah i know Razgriz Hivemind: its fine Razgriz Hivemind: hes so fed Razgriz Hivemind: not much to do Razgriz Hivemind: well. gg yasuo Post-Game Razgriz Hivemind: ggwp yasuo Razgriz Hivemind: wow. Razgriz Hivemind: 5 items. Razgriz Hivemind: yeah. can't fight that Razgriz Hivemind: gg
KABLUMP (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:02:38.641+0000) > > and what you are saying is exactly why this community is so bad. basic training is completely different. and you are earning quite alot from it. here I am a customer. and I am not happy. you are not a customer at basic training. I expect to be treated as a customer. This company does not care about it's community and only cares about it's bottom line. The fact they would allow banned players to come back proves that. Those people should be gone forever. And I'm a customer, and I think the worst part about this game is that instead of encouraging people to just /mute they pander to a bunch of pansies who can't fucking take some written text from a stranger who's only leg to stand on is that they're good at league of legends. Meanwhile I'm just here smoking a joint trying to enjoy the game and maybe have a bit of a pissing contest with my lane opponent but I can't tell the katarina that she's bad because she might go tell mommy and get me banned even though literally every other game turns into one of these things The difference? you have an option to turn it off, I want to be allowed to turn it on, your crying just restricts me from having fun so that you can have the same experience as you otherwise would by /mute because nobody wants to talk since they think they'll get banned for fucking everything People like you should get banned, stop imposing your shitty unagreeable will on everyone, you'll never be happy with anything that gets done and you make this game actively worse by crying about everything
> [{quoted}](name=KABLUMP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:06:38.943+0000) > > And I'm a customer, and I think the worst part about this game is that instead of encouraging people to just /mute they pander to a bunch of pansies who can't fucking take some written text from a stranger who's only leg to stand on is that they're good at league of legends. Meanwhile I'm just here smoking a joint trying to enjoy the game and maybe have a bit of a pissing contest with my lane opponent but I can't tell the katarina that she's bad because she might go tell mommy and get me banned even though literally every other game turns into one of these things > > > The difference? you have an option to turn it off, I want to be allowed to turn it on, your crying just restricts me from having fun so that you can have the same experience as you otherwise would by /mute because nobody wants to talk since they think they'll get banned for fucking everything > > People like you should get banned, stop imposing your shitty unagreeable will on everyone, you'll never be happy with anything that gets done and you make this game actively worse by crying about everything there wasn't a logical thing you said in that entire comment, in fact you just endorsed my own argument on why there should be no censorship. if someone is talking shit to you, you should have the ability to tell them to shove it. I've been mostly quiet and muted people but guess what, I shouldn't have to. either add chat disabling which can be done already by editing config files, while also removing censorship. or outright ban these people. Easy fix.
Ehhhh (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:03:56.593+0000) > > i'd like my 140 bucks back i've spent on the game. I don't want these skins or anything else. I am done with the game. the design is amazing i love the game but the community and company are quite frankly awful. Microsoft and Sony even do a better job, when they ban a console outright from their service. Why should you get your money back? You spent money on the game knowing you can't get it back. You know what you were buying. Just because you have had enough of the game, isn't a reason they should refund you all your money. That's stupid
> [{quoted}](name=Ehhhh,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:07:50.957+0000) > > Why should you get your money back? You spent money on the game knowing you can't get it back. You know what you were buying. Just because you have had enough of the game, isn't a reason they should refund you all your money. That's stupid there should be no such situation in an free and civil country where someone can sell you something and take it away. if you explained this concept to someone 50 years ago they'd tell you no way and over their dead body. what have this world come to? They shouldn't refund me because I've had enough, they should refund me if they ever ban me outright. They haven't yet but if they ever outright ban my account permanently, no, at all, I should get a full refund. you don't get to take away something I paid for. try selling someone a car and then taking it away from them. Good way to get shot dead. This company is unamerican and until their policies change they shouldn't even be ALLOWED TO OPERATE in the USA.
: > [{quoted}](name=KABLUMP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:58:10.644+0000) > > it sounds like you're just really emotionally immature and should grow the fuck up instead of crying about a video game and people having a good banter. > > Man you wouldn't survive 3 seconds in basic training... and if you ever acted like this in a place where you should be as empassioned, such as work (Fired), a relationship (Dumped for abusiveness), or anything else, you'd get thrown out because you're mad about a video game to this point and what you are saying is exactly why this community is so bad. basic training is completely different. and you are earning quite alot from it. here I am a customer. and I am not happy. you are not a customer at basic training. I expect to be treated as a customer. This company does not care about it's community and only cares about it's bottom line. The fact they would allow banned players to come back proves that. Those people should be gone forever.
> [{quoted}](name=Razgriz Hivemind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-30T19:02:38.641+0000) > > and what you are saying is exactly why this community is so bad. basic training is completely different. and you are earning quite alot from it. here I am a customer. and I am not happy. you are not a customer at basic training. I expect to be treated as a customer. This company does not care about it's community and only cares about it's bottom line. The fact they would allow banned players to come back proves that. Those people should be gone forever. i've tried having a good banter and people just find any reason to get upset. there is no good banter in this community. people will report you for anything and then will commit offenses themselves. i've had people flame me all game and say they were going to report me when I had done nothing or even said anything and was carrying, they were mad I would tax their lanes a little. We should not be combining children and adults into the same community. There should be separate servers for kids or it should not appeal to them and be rated M. children at not mature, and I should not have to deal with screaming 13 year olds when my job is already hectic enough as it is with the huge responsibilities I carry at work just to come home and deal with them.
: So then stop playing it? {{champion:74}}
> [{quoted}](name=BoRnToKiLL666,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:53:05.505+0000) > > So then stop playing it? > > {{champion:74}} i'd like my 140 bucks back i've spent on the game. I don't want these skins or anything else. I am done with the game. the design is amazing i love the game but the community and company are quite frankly awful. Microsoft and Sony even do a better job, when they ban a console outright from their service.
KABLUMP (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=KABLUMP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha95FhFX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:58:10.644+0000) > > it sounds like you're just really emotionally immature and should grow the fuck up instead of crying about a video game and people having a good banter. > > Man you wouldn't survive 3 seconds in basic training... and if you ever acted like this in a place where you should be as empassioned, such as work (Fired), a relationship (Dumped for abusiveness), or anything else, you'd get thrown out because you're mad about a video game to this point and what you are saying is exactly why this community is so bad. basic training is completely different. and you are earning quite alot from it. here I am a customer. and I am not happy. you are not a customer at basic training. I expect to be treated as a customer. This company does not care about it's community and only cares about it's bottom line. The fact they would allow banned players to come back proves that. Those people should be gone forever.
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