rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SoulSiphonGG,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T07:01:06.814+0000) > > Please stop making excuses for this. > > Because they are misrepresenting their skill level and they are purposefully exploiting a flaw in Riot's systems. In no other real world competition are you allowed to do this. > > Valve does this and it's not a problem over there. > > Stop making excuses until the cows come home. Your last example is contrived. How many times is that going to happen vs how many times a smurf will be caught? How do you know the player misrepresented snugging? And what, are you trying to tell me that high school tennis players are told “sorry, you’re too good for this, go play in a professional tournament”? You keep saying things are done on purpose and exploring, yet there is no way for you to prove that.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T15:48:15.309+0000) > > How do you know the player misrepresented snugging? And what, are you trying to tell me that high school tennis players are told “sorry, you’re too good for this, go play in a professional tournament”? > > You keep saying things are done on purpose and exploring, yet there is no way for you to prove that. Just watch a streamer smurfing. All the proof you need. Comments like yours is why nothing gets done in this world. Just gridlock into actually solving problems.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SoulSiphonGG,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-11-14T05:55:00.927+0000) > > _SOMETHING_ **ANYTHING** other than sit on their hands. Just because the problem is hard doesn't mean you do nothing. Here are just a few ideas: > > First thing they could do it making smurfing against their TOS. The next thing is they could actually enforce it by taking action on reports. If people start seeing their favorite streamers get banned for smurfing they will be hesitant to do it themselves. > > Second, require a phone number to create an account. Will this stop everyone? No. Will it stop _some_ people? Yes. > > Third, use machine learning to train your system to identify smurfs. Anything that triggers the mid threshold will automatically trigger an account review report. Anything that triggers the high threshold gets a temporary ban where the person has to write support to get unbanned (most smurfs won't bother to appeal). > > If you're being boosted by a known smurf then your account gets banned too. > > These are all just off the cuff ideas, imagine what Riot could do if they put _actual _ effort into solving the problem instead of promoting it. 1. **WHY IS IT THE PLAYER'S FAULT THAT RIOT MATCHMAKING PUT THEM IN AN INCORRECT ELO**. Like seriously, the player literally can't set their matchmaking. If they're intentionally feeding/griefing to get put in a worse MMR, **that's already punishable**. If they aren't, and they're getting put in a low MMR by Riot's matchmaking algorithms, then **why is it their fault** that the algorithm put them there? 2. No. Riot is not going to penalize people who cannot afford a phone. Furthermore, there's completely valid reason to have multiple accounts and people who are doing nothing wrong with them should not be penalized. 3. But why would someone get banned/punished **WHEN THEY DID NOTHING WRONG**? Say I'm just playing the game and I fuck up my provisionals (or say I duo with a friend who's a rank below me) - riot's algorithm puts me in Bronze 4, yet I'm really a Gold 2 level player. **Why do I deserve punished for that**.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-14T06:01:22.545+0000) > > 1. **WHY IS IT THE PLAYER'S FAULT THAT RIOT MATCHMAKING PUT THEM IN AN INCORRECT ELO**. Like seriously, the player literally can't set their matchmaking. If they're intentionally feeding/griefing to get put in a worse MMR, **that's already punishable**. If they aren't, and they're getting put in a low MMR by Riot's matchmaking algorithms, then **why is it their fault** that the algorithm put them there? > > 2. No. Riot is not going to penalize people who cannot afford a phone. Furthermore, there's completely valid reason to have multiple accounts and people who are doing nothing wrong with them should not be penalized. > > 3. But why would someone get banned/punished **WHEN THEY DID NOTHING WRONG**? Say I'm just playing the game and I fuck up my provisionals (or say I duo with a friend who's a rank below me) - riot's algorithm puts me in Bronze 4, yet I'm really a Gold 2 level player. **Why do I deserve punished for that**. Please stop making excuses for this. > WHY IS IT THE PLAYER'S FAULT THAT RIOT MATCHMAKING PUT THEM IN AN INCORRECT ELO Because they are misrepresenting their skill level and they are purposefully exploiting a flaw in Riot's systems. In no other real world competition are you allowed to do this. > No. Riot is not going to penalize people who cannot afford a phone. Valve does this and it's not a problem over there. Stop making excuses until the cows come home. Your last example is contrived. How many times is that going to happen vs how many times a smurf will be caught?
: Simple; It's hard to build a credible case against one, and there are various reasons, some Riot induced, that Smurfs are in your elo (Bans, New Season MMR adjustment, Streamers doing race to high elo videos). Many people can occasionally go 25/0 in a game. They will look like a smurf to other players.... in that game. Then you go look at their record, and it was a one off miracle. Many smurfs also don't necessarily play each game to win; They play to maintain a rank for acquaintances. So, when spot checking their records, they have their share of mediocre stats. What most people mistake for smurfs is simply a new account getting placed into Silver/Gold games, and some Silver and Gold player utterly stomping them until heavily fed, and then the rest of the game is the result of a snowball. Looks like a smurf to players who barely have enough tasking to watch their own lane. Looks like an inter. In reality it's just 1-2 items ahead.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-09T19:57:30.564+0000) > > Simple; It's hard to build a credible case against one, and there are various reasons, some Riot induced, that Smurfs are in your elo (Bans, New Season MMR adjustment, Streamers doing race to high elo videos). > > Many people can occasionally go 25/0 in a game. They will look like a smurf to other players.... in that game. Then you go look at their record, and it was a one off miracle. > > Many smurfs also don't necessarily play each game to win; They play to maintain a rank for acquaintances. So, when spot checking their records, they have their share of mediocre stats. > > What most people mistake for smurfs is simply a new account getting placed into Silver/Gold games, and some Silver and Gold player utterly stomping them until heavily fed, and then the rest of the game is the result of a snowball. Looks like a smurf to players who barely have enough tasking to watch their own lane. Looks like an inter. In reality it's just 1-2 items ahead. It's _easy_ to detect smurfs you just have to put some actual effort into it.
rujitra (NA)
: Why is it the player’s fault that they aren’t in the correct matchmaking? What do you want Riot to do, other than what they already do which is make their MMR change faster?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-09T19:36:11.895+0000) > > Why is it the player’s fault that they aren’t in the correct matchmaking? What do you want Riot to do, other than what they already do which is make their MMR change faster? _SOMETHING_ **ANYTHING** other than sit on their hands. Just because the problem is hard doesn't mean you do nothing. Here are just a few ideas: First thing they could do it making smurfing against their TOS. The next thing is they could actually enforce it by taking action on reports. If people start seeing their favorite streamers get banned for smurfing they will be hesitant to do it themselves. Second, require a phone number to create an account. Will this stop everyone? No. Will it stop _some_ people? Yes. Third, use machine learning to train your system to identify smurfs. Anything that triggers the mid threshold will automatically trigger an account review report. Anything that triggers the high threshold gets a temporary ban where the person has to write support to get unbanned (most smurfs won't bother to appeal). If you're being boosted by a known smurf then your account gets banned too. These are all just off the cuff ideas, imagine what Riot could do if they put _actual _ effort into solving the problem instead of promoting it.
: Riot rarely monitors boards,
> [{quoted}](name=Cind3rkick,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=I5lGAPFN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-11T19:57:02.928+0000) > > Riot rarely monitors boards, This is their official boards. They don't monitor Reddit, they don't monitor their boards. They are literally AFK.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenTeaAndPoro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaWAAneM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-12T21:24:29.668+0000) > > And how to get rid of those players? report them as a community. Because if you don't you are not helping. How to get rid of those player. First offense. Warning Second offense. Temp ban Third offense. Perm ban and ip logged Fourth offense. Ip ban.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaWAAneM,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-11-13T00:07:53.560+0000) > > How to get rid of those player. > First offense. Warning > Second offense. Temp ban > Third offense. Perm ban and ip logged > Fourth offense. Ip ban. You can never ban by IP because IP pools can be shared between thousands if not hundreds of thousands of users.
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