Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 15
Hey! Question on the topic of creating overlapping audiences with different goals. I feel like Taliyah is definitely one of those champions. What happened to her balance wise still remains a HUGE mistake in my eyes. As someone who has dedicated a lot of time to Taliyah in the past (over 400k mastery) her current state renders her pretty much unplayable for me. She still sees an ok amount of success in the jungle, but her mid is pretty horrendous with an abysmal pick rate. It seems as if only hardcore Taliyah mains are playing her mid anymore. The loss of her waveclear combined with nerf after nerf meant to hit the strength of Taliyah jungle, in my opinion, has left her in a pretty sore state for the mid lane. It feels like she hardly has any winning match-ups anymore. Are there any plans at all to look at re-balancing her for mid? I absolutely loathe the Taliyah jungle trend, and I was hoping it'd die off in a patch or two. But it never did, and now she hardly sees any play at all, and when she does it's in the jungle.
: > [{quoted}](name=u aint cute,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=byrnJEjv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-15T16:56:08.262+0000) > > here is what happens, people in bronze are people usually actually trying to get better while silver are people who think they know every aspect of the game and they think there thought is the best and only thought, so they are cocky and toxic, gold is full of the same cocky toxic idiots it doesn't change until you get to plat (my friends word yes i know im not the best player never hit plat) where it happens but a lot less, and thats really all i know about ranks, but silver/gold is probably the most annoying, terrible rank to be stuck in, I generally agree with this. I also got the sense that if you're in Bronze you're probably a pretty casual gamer. Adults with kids who jump on every now and then, etc. Likely don't care much about what color a game has assigned to you that no one else but you sees...
These are some pretty gross generalizations. As someone who's seen Bronze to Diamond, I can safely say people can act like pieces of shit at any elo. There isn't once specific elo that is more or less toxic than the others (with the exception that the first and last division of each rank tends to be more toxic than the rest, IMO). Back when I was in Bronze during my first season I got brutally flamed in quite a few of my games. I can't recall anything good or chill about Bronze or Silver. >here is what happens, people in bronze are people usually actually trying to get better while silver are people who think they know every aspect of the game and they think there thought is the best and only thought, so they are cocky and toxic Also this statement, lol. There are players at pretty much every elo that are actually trying to get better. I'm constantly trying to get better and I'm Diamond 4. I honestly feel at times that I'm not all that great at the game--because I'm not, and I have a long way to go to be where I want to be skill wise. And there are DEFINITELY some Bronze players who 100% believe that they're god's gift to gaming and the only thing keeping them in Bronze is their teammates.
: ***
Dude, chill. The only way you lose 30+ LP over ONE game is if your MMR is extremely low. That doesn't happen in one game, and means you should probably be at a lower elo than you're currently at. You're just as likely to get a smurf or troll on your team as your opponents, only consistent factor you can control is you.
AIQ (NA)
: Masters, a lot prevented me from playing to my hearts content. After work I'd come home and work on my house renovations, building my shed etc. During that time though I feel like I've grown, I went to D2 with a juicy win rate ~56% and tried to use the same tactics and strategy that got me there. D2 was a massive wake up call that the gap between D3 and Masters is much larger than I thought after getting spanked a few times. I always heard it was, but since this was the first time I ever tried reaching Masters (I've always been content with Diamond) it was a huge shock. True I could stop using one of the weakest Champions in the elo {{champion:102}} but it would feel worthless if I made it on someone else. Yeah, getting the 0/29 pyke in my game sucks and I could blame the many games I got screwed by trolls etc. but at the end of the day I know that I have not fully reached that level yet, but I am seeing glimpse of it in my play. I will try hard season 10 and I will try to reach Masters regardless of the amount of games it takes. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C281QRmXUAMg-kB.jpg
Good on you dude! Go get it, I'm rooting for you. A close friend of mine actually made it to Masters this season but quickly fell back to Diamond. The end of the season has been turbulent for him trying to balance getting back to Masters with the ton of schoolwork we have, so I totally understand the struggle. Best of luck getting it next season. <3
: I've got a post right below yours about this comment but basically I'm kinda bored and done with ADC. I want to do something new this season. Anything but mid. Wanna choose something for me? Should I one-trick someone, stick to one lane or role? Or do you just wanna give me 3 champs in one role to play. I'm looking for something fresh!
Ahh, I get that. ADC has kinda been in a weird spot for a large portion of this season. Especially at the end where the only real champions were Xayah, Kai'sa, and Ashe. As for recomendations-- I always highly suggest Taliyah. She's in a bit of a rough spot right now, but she's still ok in the jungle and really enjoyable to play, especially if you're into bursty AP junglers. I'm afraid the majority of champions I play outside of that are either ADCs, supports, or mid laners, ahah. I can't really help with recommendations for the jungle or top. Though I find Morgana and Thresh support pretty fun and rewarding, might be a bit of a weird transition if you're used to playing a more damage-focused carry role, though. But hey, I used to main ADC a couple seasons back before I put all my focus on support. Maybe you'll find you like it as well. The amount of agency early game is pretty liberating compared to playing ADC! Best of luck finding your new passion in the next season though! If you do find yourself looking at the support role I'm always open to giving help and advice. :>
Comentários de Rioters
: I'm not making it to gold this season
Everything you've said in this thread is pretty defeatist and self-deprecating. Honestly you should probably chill on league for now and focus on the underlying issues here. I'd suggest seeking help from friends, family, or maybe a counselor/therapist. People in these forums aren't going to be able to offer you much. So what if you don't reach gold this season? You always have the next one. Varus isn't very strong right now anyway, so it's probably hard to carry with him.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fnJB7lYI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-11-13T21:35:31.217+0000) > > https://imgur.com/a/10FEDK5 > > I can't resist a good shitty MSPaint drawing opportunity. I love it, and the best part is: imgur told me it was porn. > [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fnJB7lYI,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-13T21:36:10.548+0000) > > This would be unironically funny if it wasn't in general discussion It would also be a very not-smart thing to do.
LOL, maybe because of the colors? I can see them being confused for skin-tones by a computer. Ty Imgur, very cool.
: If you report this thread I'll get my mod friends to just ignore it.
https://imgur.com/a/10FEDK5 I can't resist a good shitty MSPaint drawing opportunity.
: Out of all the champs in the game I think Gnar can use all of the keystones to at least some degree. It's bad, but just less bad on Gnar specifically.
Exactly, thank you, that was my point. This person instead chooses to question my intelligence by assuming I don't know what the keystone I'm trying to have a discussion about does. To reiterate a point I made in another response, if Riot was insane enough to make it a keystone they will be insane enough to buff it until it's worth using. They don't like to admit when they've made an oopsy, instead they usually just throw numerous arbitrary buffs or nerfs at the issue until it becomes an even bigger dumpster fire that requires special attention.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RRx2yi2s,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-13T07:45:42.571+0000) > > Might be kinda cool on Gnar. > But yeah, not looking super useful. > Just wait until preseason though, I'm sure some high--elo Korean player will find a way to make it busted on someone. its random. you have no control over what you get.
uh, yeah? I'm aware. My statement stands. Like I said, I personally don't think it'll be all that great. But I also think if Riot was insane enough to make it a keystone they will be insane enough to buff it until it's worth using. Also, Klepto was very random as well. There are a number of things in League that are RNG as fuck. Thanks for assuming I didn't know what the fucking keystone I am discussing does though. xDD Pretty rude and ignorant of you.
nelogis (EUW)
: I can't think of a single champion that wants Omnistone
Might be kinda cool on Gnar. But yeah, not looking super useful. Just wait until preseason though, I'm sure some high--elo Korean player will find a way to make it busted on someone.
: NEW SKIN LINE IDEA
Cyber-Goth seems like a cool aesthetic. Pretty sure that is Rengar in the fanart and not Warwick btw. It has Rengar's signature weapon and would make sense since all 3 champions (Evelynn, Twitch, Rengar) have some sort of stealth mechanic.
Falrein (EUW)
: Well I was more thinking about an in-lore context but I guess that works too...? :p
AHH excuse me for my stupidity, I just woke up not too long ago, lol. Your opener is was jusssst ambiguous enough and these lines in particular-- >Regarding Syndra, my biggest fear is that she'll be irrelevant. >My second fear is regarding Kayle and Morgana. Both of which I dearly love, and I fear one of them will eclipse the other.... And again, my biggest fear is that one of them becomes irrelevant next to the other. I was reading through a game-play lens. So i apologize. Can't think of any major story concerns off the top of my head, but I'm always down for a lore discussion!
: Please made this an acutal emote
Yuumi already got like 3 emotes on release for some reason. Doesn't need any more. I'd rather see emotes for champions who don't have any yet. Hell I'd rather have literally anything besides more Yuumi content.
Falrein (EUW)
: What are your biggest fears regarding your favourite champions/regions' future?
They've messed with Taliyah so much already. They ruined her for mid lane. She just has so many bad matchups now because they gutted her waveclear. I hate playing jungle. All I want is Taliyah mid back. Every time a pro player picks her I get worried they'll nerf her again somehow.
: True Damage Prestige skins (RITO PLS READ)
Yeah, they more than likely will. Not sure about Ekko though since he got a legendary skin. But Prestige Edition True Damage Senna is already slated for release early next year.
: BOOSTED ACCOUNT WITH PROOF
Yeah, looks like it could be people sharing an account. This is an issue you should take to Riot Support probably, though. The boards has a 'no naming and shaming' rule.
: change my name
Yes. If you go to the shop and click on the 'account' button (it's in the top right corner of the store and looks like a person with a gear behind them), you will see the option to change your summoner name for 1300RP or 13900BE.
: So you know how Marvel and Riot have a deal going right now to make comics....
Yeah, it'd probably be cool-- if you like Marvel comics. I think there are too many players who just wouldn't care or like specific Marvel hero skins.
: Senna release-week is too chaotic and ruining (even more) the ranked solo queue experience
This has been an issue every time a new champ comes out for as long as I can remember. People complain every time. Nothing happens. Kinda sucks but that's the way it is for now. Honestly just a 3 day ban on new champions in ranked would be nice.
: Micro or Macro?
Depends on the elo and role tbh. Though I'd say for the majority of situations-- godlike micro, bad macro. You can kinda brute force your way up to low-mid diamond with amazing mechanics alone on the right champions. As for your second question, again I'd have to say it's sort of situational. In solo queue? Micro all day. In any organized team play I'd be more inclined to say macro is more important.
: Reported as a one-trick
Not sure what you're talking about, tbh. People can't report you for 'being a Draven main'. If you got permabanned it was because you did something you're not telling us.
: can u get a champ shard..o goodness.
Yup, feels like around a quarter of my chests this year have been champ shards.
: Getting ward skins from loot box..just sucks.
: Prestige Qiyana only available for Worlds points
Other people have already said this but we were told well in advance that this would be the case. [Source, if you're curious.](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/prestige-updates) >**Upcoming 2019 Prestige Point skin champions (in order of appearance)** >Miss Fortune Thresh >**Upcoming 2019 Event Prestige skin champions (in order of appearance)** >Valiant Sword Riven (debuting soon during 9.19!) Qiyana Lee Sin >We'll be back next year with a list of upcoming 2020 Prestige Editions.
: 1) I AM a high elo Nami in Diamond II 2) Meta is not always right. For example, even though Archangel used to be MUCH stronger, Ezreal never built it until Season 8 when it got NERFED HARD. it used to have 60 more AP, and had similar charge scaling, and was 300G CHEAPER. Yet it wasn't built. "Too long to charge." 3) Most "Meta" supports are still building from the days that gold was hard to come by. Gold IS harder to come by in high elo; but it's not impossible, and a good player still gets plenty. 4) Not all adcs scale to Ardent. 5) Not all junglers/mids allow straight Ardent/Athene play (Malphite, Kayn)
I like to try to see people's sides of things and I usually give people the benefit of the doubt on things like this if I'm not sure, but building Archangel's and RoA is hella troll-- and I'd go as far to say that the majority of Nami players would probably agree with me. No amount of statistics are gonna convince you otherwise, though, eh? This back and forth is getting a bit tiresome either way. Don't take things too personally, I meant no ill will by any of it, I just don't agree with your opinion. Have a nice day and good luck on the rift, dude.
: That's kind of the point. I started solo lane alone, had 300 AP by ~ 14 minutes, deserted lane and began riding mid. Game was over by 19 minutes with a raging aatrox. It's also kind of dumb to imply I'm using one game as an example. And it's not an "apocalypse" as he called it. It's legit accommodating strategy that Riot has attempt for 3 straight years NOT to allow. Top with a Gold income item was supposed to be taboo and hotfixed out. Mid with a support item snowballed too fast. And now here they are..... allowing it again. And yes. a Support can start another lane, be 2-3 levels higher than an actual support, and then join the team and be better off than actually playing support. Malphite top with Spellthief. 450g for 1600 gold worth of econ, and 35 AP, some HP, and 4 perma refresh wards. I know enchanters aren't the norm for these experiments. Morgana on the other hand is a Mid-originator. Orianna. Syndra. Veigar.... all can use this. Xerath.
That's the thing though-- Malphite, Morgana, Orianna, Syndra, Veigar, and Xerath can all solo lane _**right now.**_ In fact of that list the only champion that is ***REGULARLY*** played as a support is Morgana. I've seen Veigar and Xerath support but they're much more commonly picked as mid laners. You weren't suggesting mid laners use the new support items for gold income. You were saying 'hey guys Yuumi and Nami can solo lane now' _Do you see how that's a tiny bit of a stretch?_
: {{item:3098}} {{item:3003}} {{item:3504}} {{item:3174}} Nami. That's 404 + AP on the right runes. {{item:3027}} also sees play, as does {{item:3065}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3905}} {{item:2065}} . Finishing a Archangel snowballs Nami faster than any other item starts, including Athene's or Ardent. They are #2 items. Sona carry with Taric has been played all this season by Cloud 9
>Finishing a Archangel snowballs Nami faster than any other item starts, including Athene's or Ardent. They are #2 items. I'm sorry but I don't think you know what you're talking about. I've literally never seen any Nami build Archangel's or RoA. If I saw that in game I'd assume the player is either trolling or silver. Athene's and Ardent are pretty standard. Twin Shadows and Shurelya's are situational _AT BEST_, I usually opt towards things with more teamfight impact like Redemption or Locket, unless the team really needs help with picks for some reason, or the team is so stupidly ahead that i can yolo build whatever I want. Spirit Visage and Frozen Heart are also highly situational items and I'm not sure why you're including them as they don't give AP? _**Various higher elo Nami players also build the way I am suggesting (as it's the best way to build Nami):**_ [Koiyaki, Diamond 2 NA](https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Koiyaki) [JMilkman, Diamond 2 NA](https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=JMilkman) [SemiFamous, Diamond 1 NA](https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=SemiFamous) [Empress Bee, Diamond 1 NA](https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Empress+Bee) [와타시숙자씨, Diamond 2 KR](https://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EC%99%80%ED%83%80%EC%8B%9C%EC%88%99%EC%9E%90%EC%94%A8) [Slow Motions, Masters KR](https://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=Slow+Motion) [봄 꽃, Diamond 2 KR](https://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EB%B4%84+%EA%BD%83) The builds across all of their games are pretty consistent. Athene's and Ardent almost every game, and Redemption being a close runner-up. Then Locket and Mikael's being built situationally as needed. I don't see a single game where any of them have purchased Archangel's, RoA, Twin Shadows, or Shurelya's. Also, >Sona carry with Taric has been played all this season by Cloud 9 No, they haven't. It was situational and nowhere near all season. That strategy was being played around the time when Hecarim was still busted. It was developed as a strategy to use in certain team comps. It hasn't been played much since it was nerfed.
: You playing one game on the PBE and not hard-feeding isn't evidence that the support-pocolypse is upon us. I would personally love to lane against a solo Yuumi. Especially as Aatrox. You can't even steer your Q when you're alone.
Dude, exactly, right??? Like a Yuumi solo lane should be so free. She has 480 starting HP and no mobility without a lane partner, lmao.
: You're insane if you think building damage on Nami is bad, even as a bot lane support. Yuumi and Sona by default build damage. 2) The point is; some supports get countered and they no longer have a Nomad's to rely on. Some Tops/mids get countered. If you swap lanes sometimes you can mitigate those counters, and they can all get ward items now, increasing visibility drastically. Do you like your top Darius getting hard countered in a ranged matchup? Switch him to support and let a ranged support stall out the ranged top. This will be a real thing in high elo play, as high elo is ALWAYS looking for ways to counter countering. 3) Bot is not easy not to die lol. Try playing Morgana support versus Zyra/Jhin. Yuumi into Draven + Leona. A lot of combos are toxic if you do not have a Nomad's option.
I climbed to Diamond playing primarily Nami support. Athene's and Ardent are the closest things to damage I've ever built on her. Straight damage ***is*** bad. Yuumi is a late game champion who deviates from a lot of other enchanters, exceptions happen. Last time I saw Sona get play was in a niche carry bot lane role rather than support, and that strat has pretty much died out as well.
: 1) You don't need to scale damage wise to be a lane support. You just have to be able to exist. I cited Yuumi. Single target. 2) The point is you can finish the Quest ANYWHERE. 3) Most supports are some of the lowest death ratio champions in the game. In other words, when played correctly, they don't actually give up kills, even if immobile. 4) Most supports have mage functionality.... I can outfarm most mid laners with a Nami or Soraka. 5) Again.... it's about the fact you can finish the quest elsewhere, get more XP, and then ajoin your team. It's not about winning the lane; It's about STALLING it. If you are hard countered as support, you can instead Top lane while Top goes down and supports (even buy another support item for more wards)
1) "I cited Yuumi" is anecdotal evidence as best. When the next ranked season rolls around show me _multiple players at Platinum+ in ranked CONSISTENTLY winning with Yuumi top_ and I'll believe you. Until then, personally, it seems like you were playing on PBE against a shitty Aatrox and a jungler who didn't realize how abusable you are. 2) What does this have to do with literally anything? You want lane swaps? What top or mid players in their right mind would agree to swap lanes with the support? 3) If you want to cite support statistics, you have to look at it ***in context***. MOST supports play from the support role in bot lane. It's pretty easy to not die bot lane as a support. When you take away the extra player and put yourself in a solo lane that is easier to gank, things change. 4) Yes, if you build damage. I've played Nami mid, too. I already pointed out why building damage on these champions is garbage. 5) This 'point' of yours just tells me you either didn't read or understand the part about supports not needing extra XP and gold. Who cares if you're 'stalling' the game for your top laner if they're down bot lane losing XP and gold they could've been getting top, while probably also getting poked to hell since most top laners are melee champions. Like this might fly at lower elo, but no way is this EVER going to be meta. There's just no good reason to do it.
: Was anyone else expecting more Items and more Elemental Dragons to be added for Season 10?
I understand your point on items, but as for the Dragons... The preseason theme is ***"Rise of the Elements"*** And traditionally ["The Elements"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element) means Fire, Water, Earth, and Air. I personally think expanding on the elemental drakes rather than adding new ones was the right direction for League as a game. And thematically, each type of dragon now feels a lot more impactful and defined, with the drastic changes to the environment of the rift on the 3rd dragon spawn and the powerful elemental dragon soul buff that you can claim. It really is the "Rise of the Elements". (Gameplay wise it's still a bit iffy to me since RNGing into ocean dragon rift against the wrong team comp could be really scary and feel sort of unfair, but it's preseason so hopefully all the kinks will be worked out by the time the next ranked season rolls around.) I think adding four more elemental drakes to the mix instead would've just been messy and sort of underwhelming.
: Season 10: The Season of Supports playing any lane.
Sure, supports can effectively poke out a lane opponent-- sometimes. That's like the entire point of mage and some enchanter supports. You're not considering some really important things though. You're forgetting that _**most**_ supports don't really scale well damage wise. Their damage is pretty much all in their early poke so they can be relevant in lane phase. Supports are also typically _pretty immobile_. They also for the most part lack the damage on their basic attacks to be able to reliably farm waves (of course a few supports like Thresh and Pyke don't adhere to this, but both have already seen play in solo lanes, though Thresh is still a bit more of a meme). I'm not saying you can't win games with it, but I certainly do not think supports in solo lanes will be meta, outside of some sort of funneling strat if that ever comes back. Think about it for a good hard second, it's just not XP or gold efficient-- at all. Supports pretty much need the least amount of gold in the game to be relevant. Same with levels. Besides some of the obvious ones like hitting levels 2 or 6, supports don't need to really stress on XP as long as they're not like 4 levels behind their lane opponents. Have you ever noticed supports tend to end up a lower level than the rest of the team, even in pro play? Support items are cheap, and usually not as crucial as other champion's powerspike items. Like ***SURE*** you can get that extra 1k from the support item or whatever, but what are you gonna do with it? **When you play a support in a solo lane you basically choose one of two routes:** -You build damage and stomp early but become useless after 10-15 minutes. -You build support items and are relevant, but it's a huge waste where you could've just had another carry absorbing that XP and gold. (*cough* ***funneling*** *cough*) If anything I think the support item change will end up more like what you said, with champions who already solo lane picking it up as a 'better cull' type option.
: Honestly Riot, Screw URF, bring back arurf!
I can honestly see arguments for both sides: **URF** lets people choose exactly what they want to play at the cost of certain champions always outperforming others because not every champion is on the same power level in URF. _For example: I can choose to play Evelynn every game because I genuinely enjoy the champion and she's amazing in URF. If it were all random odds are I wouldn't get to play her at all. _ **ARUF** doesn't allow you to choose what you play, but gives less viable champions a shot at being enjoyable in URF since it's not guaranteed that both teams will be full of broken shit since its all random. This of course is at the price of being stuck on a bad champion up against something like Kassadin or Fizz. _For example: I chose to play Neeko and got absolutely shit on because she's too skillshot reliant to be good in URF, if I was playing Neeko and eveyone's champions were randomly selected there is a chance the matchups may be fairer. _ _**I still personally prefer classic URF, but I do see why some people might prefer ARURF.**_
: You seem to forget that pass missions also give 25 free PP, so with one event pass you can get 125, not just 100. My case might be very rare, but the free 25 PP for the Anniversary Event came in PERFECTLY for me. I have bought 3 passes this year (Arcade, Project and World) which gave me 75 tokens in total from the missions. I was wondering what I'd do with 75 points and then the sweet 25 free PP of the Anniversary came. So now I'll be able to get Prestige True Damage Qiyana (I hope she sells for 100 PP and not more) basically "for free".
Dude, same. The 25 came in clutch. I bought the Trials, PROJECT, and Arcade passes. There was just nothing on the World's pass that made it seem worth for me to buy it. So now I'm sitting at 100 Prestige Points as well. Except I have no clue what to use it on, lol. I already have the only 2 skins for points that I really wanted because I turned in tokens from 2 events for 100 Prestige Points each.
: "Free Prestige Points" Scam - Riot Approved
If you have purchased every event pass up to this point-- I believe those being Trials, PROJECT, Arcade, and now World's passes. You would get 25 Prestige Points per pass through missions.That is 100. You also have the chance through most of the passes to trade in tokens for 100 prestige points. If you missed one pass, Riot also gave out 25 Prestige Points as a gift in the 10th anniversary rewards. Just a reminder that [PRESTIGE ](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prestige)skins are kinda supposed to be a fancy overpriced skin variant that rewards players for spending money on League. Originally the only way to get Prestige Points was going to be by purchasing loot boxes. I'm personally glad they've since changed it, but it doesn't change the idea that these really aren't supposed to be F2P skins. You don't need 100 to be able to spend them, though. Just to get a Prestige skin. Riot will have a Prestige Point shop at the end of the year where you can spend any extras you have.
GankLord (NA)
: Are we getting a buff to vision in the new season?
Lol, Riot is never going to let us have more vision. Do you remember when/why they took Tracker's Knife out? Vision is SO SO STRONG. I doubt Riot wants to go back to something like that. When the map is darker there is more potential for sneaky plays and everything you do is riskier and requires more thought.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LoA0P8c3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-31T16:27:37.207+0000) > > As long as low elo will be allowed to write on boards there will never be a reasonable complaint. I would sacrifice myself to block anyone that is below diamond from discussing balance. You don't have to be Diamond+ to see how her mist cloud is going to be completely abused by organized play.
Diamond support player here. Her E definitely looks strong, but I don't think she's going to be too terribly OP, especially with how strong the hook supports are at the moment. Her E doesn't give true invisibility, getting close to the target reveals them, and you can still hit the targets with non-targeted abilities, Plus it's on a 26 second cooldown rank one. Personally I think everyone freaking out about it is overreacting. We'll see how she does on live but I really don't think it'll be broken. Probably annoying, but not broken. If I'm understanding the tool tip correctly dropping a control ward on her cloud should also reveal everyone in it. Think of it more like Senna becomes a walking bush than a walking Akali shroud.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LoA0P8c3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-31T15:56:17.148+0000) > > https://i.imgur.com/QpnBp7G.jpg > > Too many people freaking out and not taking the time to step back and look at her weaknesses. > Right now it honestly looks like Senna might be a bit underwhelming, and both Riot August and Swifte say shes terrible into hard CC. > I'm excited to play her regardless. Xd who isn’t terrible into hard cc. It’s a universal counter.
I meant specifically in the bot lane match-ups. Meaning shes bad into champions like Thresh, Blitzcrank, Leona, etc. Champions who have movement abilities like Ezreal and Tristana, or spellshields like Sivir and Morgana are very good into those champions.
: Senna will be a balanced and super fun champ
>"Btw this is not sarcastic" https://i.imgur.com/QpnBp7G.jpg Too many people freaking out and not taking the time to step back and look at her weaknesses. Right now it honestly looks like Senna might be a bit underwhelming, and both Riot August and Swifte say shes terrible into hard CC. I'm excited to play her regardless.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=se9Fzn6m,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-29T19:48:02.847+0000) > > Honestly she's a lot less overloaded than Kai'Sa and Akali. > Her kit seems pretty reasonable for a support all things considered. > > The only abilities that worry me are her passive and E. > We'll have to wait for numbers on the passive. > And with E you can still hit shrouded enemies with skillshots, but overall it does seem like a very strong ability. > But it's just that one ability that seems a little insane. > it could probably be reasonably balanced so long as it has a long cooldown that you can play around. > Senna seems pretty immobile otherwise and lacks any other form of reliable peel/escape since her W has a delay. > > The Q and W are pretty standard. > Q seems no more broken than Nami W (and perhaps even fairer since it hits in a line instead of bouncing). > And her W seems to be worse Zoe bubble. Supports usually need some form of CC to be good, and delayed CC like that has a decent amount of counterplay. > > The ult ***looks*** insane visually, but if you step back and really look at the ability's impact in the trailer it looks like it provides a small shield and a bit of damage at the center of the ult only. > It doesn't look like anything too crazy, honestly. > Just something you'll have to take into consideration when you fight just like any other global ult. You are forgetting the fact that nami w has 400 range. This healing damage snipe has over 1200 and it actually scales and it has a low cd. Used multiple times in gameplay footage, already out on pbe and broken hmmmmmmmmmm
Literally the only people I've seen complaining are people who are posting kneejerk reactions to seeing her kit. Ive seen PBE gameplay. She doesn't really seem busted at all. Ya'll need to chill.
: heres the question is it a akali shroud style of stealth or a twitch style where "if you get near me you'll see me"
It's more like Twitch! Getting close to them breaks the camouflage.
: Consider that you are facing an ADC and Support with this aoe invisibility ability. The power gap is huge when a ADC cannot get initiative of the first shot.
I play both roles. If you see Senna use this you back up and wait for it to end unless you know you can win. It's that simple. You respect it like you would Blitzcrank hook. Not to mention skillshots still work.
: Senna's kit is revealed. Doesn't power creep worry you too?
Honestly she's a lot less overloaded than Kai'Sa and Akali. Her kit seems pretty reasonable for a support all things considered. The only abilities that worry me are her passive and E. We'll have to wait for numbers on the passive. And with E you can still hit shrouded enemies with skillshots, but overall it does seem like a very strong ability. But it's just that one ability that seems a little insane. it could probably be reasonably balanced so long as it has a long cooldown that you can play around. Senna seems pretty immobile otherwise and lacks any other form of reliable peel/escape since her W has a delay. The Q and W are pretty standard. Q seems no more broken than Nami W (and perhaps even fairer since it hits in a line instead of bouncing). And her W seems to be worse Zoe bubble. Supports usually need some form of CC to be good, and delayed CC like that has a decent amount of counterplay. The ult ***looks*** insane visually, but if you step back and really look at the ability's impact in the trailer it looks like it provides a small shield and a bit of damage at the center of the ult only. It doesn't look like anything too crazy, honestly. Just something you'll have to take into consideration when you fight just like any other global ult.
: Sigh.. you really want me to go though each champ and list who can work and who dont?
These same champions get countered by Akali shroud and any champion who can stealth/go invisible, which there are A LOT of. It's not a new mechanic.
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cAVGX8BA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-29T18:44:51.285+0000) > > Untargetability =/= damage immunity. You can hit with any skillshots, and given you can physically see them you can hit them. it says their un-attackable, meaning their most likely just outright immune to dmg
This is incorrect. If you watch the video revealing her kit the Xayah in her shroud gets hit and slowed by Xin Zhao W. It's a lot like Akali shroud.
: Senna's kit looks broken by design.
Idk, the ult doesn't look like it will do that much damage, that's what most people seem to be freaking out about. The Q and W look reasonable. It's the passive and E I'm concerned for. The scaling on her passive could be dangerous-- but could easily be tuned with numbers changes. The E however seems like it has the potential to be mega busted. Cloaking allies and giving them untargetablility seems kinda nuts, but we'll see when it hits live. At least you can still hit the cloaked champions with skillshots, I guess. I'm excited to play her either way.
Terozu (NA)
: I'm calling some massive BS on Senna getting allied stealth.
It's not the same as the 'stealth' they proposed for Lux's kit (which had champions going completely invis and would've been stupidly broken). Senna's 'stealth' appears to just mask a champion's identity. It gives them a speed boost and untargetablility, and makes them appear as spooky wraith monsters. At no point are they completely invisible.
: [Qiyana True Damage] Again, the Prestige artwork looks worse than the base skin's art.
Not a huge fan for the aesthetics for either skin, but the art is still really nice, imo. The diamond at the bottom left of her base splash looks weirdly inverted, though. And you are right about the prestige edition's arm looking odd. I think it's just the fact that the color is a bit flat compared to the rest of the splash because of how the light is hitting it. I don't necessarily think it's incorrect, it just appears weird.
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