BrZy (NA)
: I tried to reply to your above long math post, but it won't let me and I am to lazy to figure out why. Anyways, I figured this might be a good place to let you know that Riot PROFITED close to 1.4 BILLION in 2015. Profit. Take home. Money in the bank! That is Billion. With a B. Take that for what you guys will huh!
Talking to you in the above reply as well.
Jayle27 (NA)
: Okay I was with you until this.... Rito would make plenty of profit if for one thing we consider the use of the anchoring heuristic (psychology). When Rito can make us think we're getting a deal and get us to buy waaaay more skins then we would normally while only sacrificing a bunch of 450 or 520 RP skins. Overall that's about 455 extra RP we spent in order to get another skin that we wouldn't have gotten anyway. The use of said heuristic will make many players who don't plan their spending well, spend more money on the game then normal. Because not everyone can be the genius business major that you are, there are a lack of psychologists noticing that most of the community would get super chumped by Rito if they release a new skin during an event like Draven's Spinning Axes.
Again, to make my point. The Baseline skin cost of 975 was a set example of baseline RP. The funny thing is. You still have to have the baseline of 6000 people buying $10 worth of RP (which comes out to 1380 - which doesn't matter how many skins you get with it, you spent the base of $10 to get it period. You can use it to buy 3 cheap skins, 2 discounted, or just a plain skin that costs a baseline 975 in terms of "champion age.") It still comes down to the amount paid out in the end. The "Company" is a separate "Entity" and everyone involved is only entitled to a "percentage of that Entity." No one just writes themselves a "phat check" within that entity at the cost of the players expense just because they can. The owner(s) of a business dependent on the type of incorporation are all entitled to a *percentage* and only a *percentage* There are 1000 Employee's to consider. All of the bills of the Entity. Plus, you have every single person who owns a share, and then they're entitled to the sum of the total amount of shares they have (each being worth its own weight per share.) So that is "Untouchable Money." Because obviously if we all withdrew, and they didn't have the money to pay us off. Well then that means at some point they lied about the worth of their shares, and they also stole money. So you have that in mind. Then you got taxes, twice a year for a business, and the owners pay it individually twice a year including ANYONE whom owns a PART of the company on the BOARD of DIRECTORS. So all of this gets taken into consideration as well. Then you have a commonly forgotten variable. Overseas Operating Conversion Costs (the translation of currency from one to another type of currency.) You pay a flat fee per unit of this translated. Okay so they "Profited 1.4 Billion (with a Capital B for Bro.) That does not mean the owner(s) of the company keep that entire 1.4 billion and write themselves a check for life. What it means is that entity (Riot in this case.) is got 1.4 Billion to budget for the next year. Now you can consider ANY expansion cost. ANY upgrade cost. ANY server reform cost. As well ANY new hire. From this point its just a continuous line and you know whats hilarious. I have no major in business let alone a degree. I learned this my own damn self by educating myself to have the knowledge of business practice, ethics, marketing and the ability to be strategic direct in the market. It's all things you can read, learn, and perform and learn through the legitimate practice of taking that time and effort.
Declined (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=U R Vic,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=I52I8hwj,comment-id=000400000001000e00010000,timestamp=2016-04-07T22:09:26.287+0000) > > snip I have no idea what your post is about other than a rant of some kind, but can you please refrain from necroing threads like these?
It is a old conversation between me and another. It does not have much to do with you. You can call it a rant. It is a conversation. I am not necroing threads. I am replying. It just took a year. So no. I will not refrain. I am allowed to post and reply to other players. I also do not wish to argue in the event that me replying to you sparks one. Not gonna say don't reply, but if you do. Keep in mind I am not here to start any problems. Just to reply.
: Technically, it'd just be a kill, not a pentakill. But I get your little joke. I'm not here to make jokes, I'm here for serious discussion, which you have seemly provided for me. 1. When I say band-aid, I mean it is something that completely takes the community's mind off the other important issues that Riot has refused to fix and/or resolve despite the community's demands, even though Riot probably has the time, money, and resources to fix the problem right away. Not saying they'd be easy. Yes, the SRVU is nice and Riot really didn't have to do it. But they did it because they *knew* it had to be done, not necessarily for the fans. 2. I know how lore works, so everything you've told me within this point is nothing new. So what if there's a new version of an old movie? That's not going to necessarily make it better than the original version. My argument there is that Riot retconed the **core** lore of LoL without the community's consent! They didn't even say, "Hey guys! We're thinking about retconing the lore this way, but we wanted to talk to you guys about it before we did it." So don't talk to me like I don't know how lore works. 3. You obviously didn't know what I meant by scripted. I didn't mean scripting in the sense of making and programming a game. What I'm talking about is how they tell us things. The things they tell us, whether it's from Player Support or on a Dev Blog, look like something off a *movie **script**!* I'm sorry if I didn't clarify that point enough. 4. I know a lot of the reasons as to why many champs joined the League. Jax was just a soldier-for-hire before joining the League. Nami is the Tidecaller for her people, the Marai. Until she gets the moonstone for her people, she will stay in the League and not return home. Garen and Darius are both military soldiers fighting for their each separate nation (Demacia and Noxus respectively), which the main reason for the "League of Legends" being is this: to settle political disputes. 5. You obviously couldn't add much to this point because you knew I'm right on it to some degree. Though, I really don't know what you find funny about it. >All I need to say to win this argument is 3 things. This is a really pretentious statement. You are aware of this, right? Yeah, probably not. *1. This is true to a point. Plainly speaking, things like these are done because either they have to be or just to keep up appearances. But I highly doubt they take a lot of time to listen to feedback and not because they're on a time crunch. Because if they're good at listening (or communicating, for that matter), then they would have consulted and kept the community informed more about things like the Lore retcon, certain changes to champions (save face for Lee Sin), what the changes to the Tribunal could be, etc.* *2. I really don't see where this point helps you "win" the argument. And no, they don't always listen as to what champion needs the next skin or on almost anything else. If Riot listened, then I wouldn't have made any of the comments I have made and am making.* *3. Just because I have "1% of the popular vote" doesn't mean I'm wrong. It simply means the majority of people on this article disagree with me. However, most of the people commenting on this article are just a small part of the LoL community. The majority of the LoL community (or at least here in the NA region) aren't commenting because some might see it as a waste of time, that it's not worth it, or they simply don't care, which is sad.* >It has been fun pentakilling you on this page now, have a good day Mr. Damorion215 and Welcome to the League of Legends. Don't you think this is a little childish? Not totally, but just a little. Anyhow, you're pretty arrogant for thinking you've won this argument. You try to be funny and condescending in some parts, but it's not working. And note, at the beginning of my counter-argument here, I said this: >I'm here for serious discussion, which you have seemly provided for me. Note that I said "seemingly". As far as I can tell, you have provided a semi-serious argument here, mostly because when you saw my post, you automatically thought I was an idiot and obviously didn't try hard enough to provide a *fully* serious argument. When you actually start caring, let me know.
Sorry you waited a year for this reply, its just uh... you we're hypocritical in saying I was arrogant and provided a "Semi-serious argument" when I had reread what you said about 5 times before I spoke. Also you assumed I was viewing you as an idiot, and then called me arrogant. There are different forms of arrogance. Oh and I still don't care for your reply, (I read it believe me. Twice.) because you only further proved my point when you said these two lines in the same reply. "I'm here for serious discussion, which you have seemly provided for me." Serious - Professional Example, what a role model. "you automatically thought I was an idiot and obviously didn't try hard enough to provide a fully serious argument. When you actually start caring, let me know." - Arrogant and hypocritical to everything you just finished preaching. Glad you waited a whole year for this reply. You enjoy the pentakill? Oh it was a pentakill because I wasn't simply and only referring to you. Self-centered.
U R Vic (NA)
: I'm not defending them. You're as single-minded as I mentioned the others were. I'm also no ones butt buddy here. I like you did, came of my own accord, and I came here to make my opinion voiced and prove a point. A point which clearly passed over your head. Advertisement costs to get Advertised. LCS was not always around, and although it is now, it is also a very new market still. My main point was around the fact that people have felt "Entitled" for years. The company is not the victim, and also I understand that they are "A company." (An ignorant point to make. Just because my "company" is a "Company" does not mean that I always pull in what I need when I cater to my audience.) There are a massive amount of intervals that go into these things, and also, you need to scroll down more and read my second post before even trying to argue with me. You'll then discover how much exactly it takes to pay ONE employee. So no, there are no "Ah man, good work guys. 100k to each person a year. Even you there Mr. Janitor for the office." No the fact is you're actually IGNORING the greater picture and only seeing my "Mr. Game Dev." point when in reality I am speaking of the company as a WHOLE. This includes paying Accountants, Janitors, Advertisement, Marketing Agents/Consultants/Analysts. Game Devs/Analysts/Testers (Riot actually still has a dedicated testing team FYI smart one. They also must payout to LCS in order to run LCS. (A form of advertisement yet again, and the properties to host on. All of the technology, gear, and then on top of that. The massive amount of extra employees to go and maintain LCS. You're treating it like I'm running sword and shield to ult in and defend. No. I am talking to the people who waste their time whining and are literally ignorant of how a business is ran. I am teaching and you are one who obviously needs to be taught. You pay for the game. You've a right to an opinion and you've a right to complain. I did not say anything about your complaining. I was speaking to those in which complain without actually studying what exactly they're complaining about. You further proved my point. **" It doesn't - matter - that the game is free to play, it doesn't - matter - that the primary doesn't pull in revenue, because at the end of the day Rito employees are just that; employees."** _This is redundant as a statement. You're saying the Employee's are employees and are not seen as anything more, anything less. You say it doesn't matter that the primary (the business) pulls in revenue because employee's are employee's._ Reread your own statement and critically think about what you've just said. Now tell me if that makes since. So logically, I can run a company that makes zero revenue into the ground and cost everybody their job including mine because. Even if I owned it, I'm still an employee. I should trust the fact that I at some point incorporated my company as either a C-Corp or and S-Corp and that should protect my employee's pay in the event I don't pull in revenue. Do you know what Limited Liability means? It means there is a limit on how much the "Plain Ol' Company" is liable for before those running the show (including INVESTORS) have to pay out of pocket. **"This game makes - plenty - of money. It's free to play, but that does - not - mean the playerbase is a charity. They want money? Fucking work for it, like any game company that sells their shit for the standard $60."** This game makes money by paying close attention to their marketing strategy. Which by the way, has a lot to do with their market. The players. They work against the players to figure out what the player base (btw that is two words, not one.) needs are without sacrificing their own profits, and turning over a profit. Which by the way, is the whole point of a business. The more money they make, the more they can spend to expand and give more back to the players. Which also means that your opinions, are your opinions. But your complaint, needs to be reasonable in all its aspects. Including understanding the internal/external structure of the business in question before trying to argue against anybodies opinion or point. I work for my paycheck. I run my own business, it is a clothing and music business. I do not pay myself a "phat check" because in fact, since I own the damn company. I in fact get paid last. Think of it like a very long list of bills. Do you keep your money, spend it, and wonder why you can't pay even one of your bills. (employees, all expenses other than employees. I'm not going to list the thousands of inside expenses any business pays at that point in its life.) Or do you save it, and pay your bills. Then reap the benefits. (This example is in terms of a householder.) In business terms you got two end choices after that initial choice. Reap the benefit, or expand. Riot has a very progressive expansion history. You also act like it is free to upgrade their tech, their servers, the cost of the player base in which the servers can hold. The internet usage. The traffic server access fees. The percentages paid back to their investors, the percentages paid to share holders, the percentages paid out to legal claims agencies. The percentage paid to operate the business (Which by the way. For every state they have a facility in, they must in turn pay to operate in that state. This includes each Server System they have in order to connect players into the mainframe.) I can go on for days, but you simply do not have the intellectual capacity on this subject to keep fighting my opinion about this. I have been in business for awhile. I've done a lot of things, and I used to be like you. Until I grew up entirely when I was 20.
Do not forget also, that there is a business tax. They can either be taxes twice as a C-corp or once as a S-Corp. Only I know for a fact they're C-corp. Because they have over 100 employees. Which means that they pay taxes twice per year. Which is a good percentage of their TOTAL income as a business plus that of the salary of EACH EMPLOYEE. Learn your shit man.
: Okay, seriously, this "they work so hard thing!" is ridiculous. Yeah, I work hard at my jobs, I put effort in. So do a lot of people. Where's their praise? Their devs and the like are all getting a nice paycheck, I'm sure, so, no, I'm not going to "feel bad" that they don't get a pat on the back and a fanbase that lines up to suck their dicks. Grownups have to put up with some bullshit, and when you're in the entertainment business, the name of that bullshit is "the fanbase". That's what defines a job, and why they make money doing it, because there's things people don't like about it. If it didn't produce something people wanted or was something people would do for free, it wouldn't be a job, and it wouldn't pay money. Don't like it? Tough break, sure there are plenty of people out there that would love the chance to be a programmer or a concept designer. The game makes - plenty - of money, between advertisement at LCS events and in-game sales. I, myself, have probably put at least $200 in. And, in case you aren't aware, that's at least three times the cost of most - new - games, with entirely new engines and concepts. So, yeah, I think I get a right to complain if I want. This game makes - plenty - of money. It's free to play, but that does - not - mean the playerbase is a charity. They want money? Fucking work for it, like any game company that sells their shit for the standard $60. I think it's ridiculous when people call out Rito as being the absolute worst, but I think their butt-buddies that jump in and play them as victims are even more annoying. It doesn't - matter - that the game is free to play, it doesn't - matter - that the primary doesn't pull in revenue, because at the end of the day Rito employees are just that; employees. Rito is a company, Rito makes plenty of money. And, in order to make that money, they have to do the work required, and pander to their audience (the ones that spend money on it). You wouldn't be bitching like this if it were a different payment method, but you can't see beyond the fact that walking in is free. Tl;dr, I'm sure the employees at Rito comfort themselves with fat paychecks and the chance to do something they like while simultaneously pandering to their audience like all artists do. They're not an orphaned puppy wandering the downpoured streets of London in need of a home, they're fine without you picking up a sword and shield to defend them.
I'm not defending them. You're as single-minded as I mentioned the others were. I'm also no ones butt buddy here. I like you did, came of my own accord, and I came here to make my opinion voiced and prove a point. A point which clearly passed over your head. Advertisement costs to get Advertised. LCS was not always around, and although it is now, it is also a very new market still. My main point was around the fact that people have felt "Entitled" for years. The company is not the victim, and also I understand that they are "A company." (An ignorant point to make. Just because my "company" is a "Company" does not mean that I always pull in what I need when I cater to my audience.) There are a massive amount of intervals that go into these things, and also, you need to scroll down more and read my second post before even trying to argue with me. You'll then discover how much exactly it takes to pay ONE employee. So no, there are no "Ah man, good work guys. 100k to each person a year. Even you there Mr. Janitor for the office." No the fact is you're actually IGNORING the greater picture and only seeing my "Mr. Game Dev." point when in reality I am speaking of the company as a WHOLE. This includes paying Accountants, Janitors, Advertisement, Marketing Agents/Consultants/Analysts. Game Devs/Analysts/Testers (Riot actually still has a dedicated testing team FYI smart one. They also must payout to LCS in order to run LCS. (A form of advertisement yet again, and the properties to host on. All of the technology, gear, and then on top of that. The massive amount of extra employees to go and maintain LCS. You're treating it like I'm running sword and shield to ult in and defend. No. I am talking to the people who waste their time whining and are literally ignorant of how a business is ran. I am teaching and you are one who obviously needs to be taught. You pay for the game. You've a right to an opinion and you've a right to complain. I did not say anything about your complaining. I was speaking to those in which complain without actually studying what exactly they're complaining about. You further proved my point. **" It doesn't - matter - that the game is free to play, it doesn't - matter - that the primary doesn't pull in revenue, because at the end of the day Rito employees are just that; employees."** _This is redundant as a statement. You're saying the Employee's are employees and are not seen as anything more, anything less. You say it doesn't matter that the primary (the business) pulls in revenue because employee's are employee's._ Reread your own statement and critically think about what you've just said. Now tell me if that makes since. So logically, I can run a company that makes zero revenue into the ground and cost everybody their job including mine because. Even if I owned it, I'm still an employee. I should trust the fact that I at some point incorporated my company as either a C-Corp or and S-Corp and that should protect my employee's pay in the event I don't pull in revenue. Do you know what Limited Liability means? It means there is a limit on how much the "Plain Ol' Company" is liable for before those running the show (including INVESTORS) have to pay out of pocket. **"This game makes - plenty - of money. It's free to play, but that does - not - mean the playerbase is a charity. They want money? Fucking work for it, like any game company that sells their shit for the standard $60."** This game makes money by paying close attention to their marketing strategy. Which by the way, has a lot to do with their market. The players. They work against the players to figure out what the player base (btw that is two words, not one.) needs are without sacrificing their own profits, and turning over a profit. Which by the way, is the whole point of a business. The more money they make, the more they can spend to expand and give more back to the players. Which also means that your opinions, are your opinions. But your complaint, needs to be reasonable in all its aspects. Including understanding the internal/external structure of the business in question before trying to argue against anybodies opinion or point. I work for my paycheck. I run my own business, it is a clothing and music business. I do not pay myself a "phat check" because in fact, since I own the damn company. I in fact get paid last. Think of it like a very long list of bills. Do you keep your money, spend it, and wonder why you can't pay even one of your bills. (employees, all expenses other than employees. I'm not going to list the thousands of inside expenses any business pays at that point in its life.) Or do you save it, and pay your bills. Then reap the benefits. (This example is in terms of a householder.) In business terms you got two end choices after that initial choice. Reap the benefit, or expand. Riot has a very progressive expansion history. You also act like it is free to upgrade their tech, their servers, the cost of the player base in which the servers can hold. The internet usage. The traffic server access fees. The percentages paid back to their investors, the percentages paid to share holders, the percentages paid out to legal claims agencies. The percentage paid to operate the business (Which by the way. For every state they have a facility in, they must in turn pay to operate in that state. This includes each Server System they have in order to connect players into the mainframe.) I can go on for days, but you simply do not have the intellectual capacity on this subject to keep fighting my opinion about this. I have been in business for awhile. I've done a lot of things, and I used to be like you. Until I grew up entirely when I was 20.
: You make some good points. My only thing is proof-reading. Towards the end there, you sounded a lot like those little buggers you rail against the entire time.
I was feeding my baby so I was typing with one hand, and also I didn't care too much for my grammar. If I want to speak in perfect grammar on the internet, I will as I please. It is not a requirement while replying back to someone. Sure I can, "Sound like I know what I am talking about," and have improper grammar. I can also back up my thoughts with facts and then at least the only downside is the improper grammar towards the end. I'm a busy man, if I worked for Riot myself. Oh hell yes, I would totally proof-read it all, and most definitely I would not curse the way I do in this agitated message. Thank you for your feedback CaptainAsia999. Thank you for the critique as well. The random asterisks are actually curse words that were unintentionally censored.
: The minuscule impact that allowing Mecha Zero Sion to participate in the spinning axes event is hardly equivalent to the goodwill riot would be showing their community by simply being less money hungry. Furthermore its a mystery skin. Zero guarantee anyone will get anything they actually want and as such its impossible to even say with any certainty this would impact their revenue negatively.
Secondary note to Doctor Siontist (Your name is hypocritical as you obviously do not know critical thinking you should have learned.) "If even 6000 people don't buy $10 to recieve a skin that they ended up getting for free. Riot has failed to pay one Employee. That is the impact it makes. Of course they have to pull this money from elsewhere to pay him still. Work is work and we don't work for free. So then it's only causing further damage to them. This is a very intelligent marketing strategy. Why do you think they've survived?" Minuscule impact? Or your absent mindedness of the real gravity of the impact. It's only minuscule to you because it wouldn't affect your paycheck. So you're simply selfish. Join the crowd.
U R Vic (NA)
: Read my above and youll find out how much of an impact actually affects Riot PER skin that you get for FREE (aka NOT PAYING A DIME FOR IT BECAUSE YOU GOT IT FREE WITH THE EVENT) Think before you speak. If you cannot think. GO AND LEARN SOMETHING. Probably business since this is the topic. Or Marketing, either one will teach you right.
Apologies for the double post. The above shows an example I realize requires thinking to process so here it is. If even 6000 people don't buy $10 to recieve a skin that they ended up getting for free. Riot has failed to pay one Employee. That is the impact it makes. Of course they have to pull this money from elsewhere to pay him still. Work is work and we don't work for free. So then it's only causing further damage to them. This is a very intelligent marketing strategy. Why do you think they've survived?
: Pretty sure everyone is failing to realize they would make more money if they released it with the event lol.
Read my above and youll find out how much of an impact actually affects Riot PER skin that you get for FREE (aka NOT PAYING A DIME FOR IT BECAUSE YOU GOT IT FREE WITH THE EVENT) Think before you speak. If you cannot think. GO AND LEARN SOMETHING. Probably business since this is the topic. Or Marketing, either one will teach you right.
: Sure looking that way. I didn't even hold URF against them since they said it wasn't happening. I didn't get mad at the shittiness of Draven Day, because I only play draft or ranked and the heads didnt effect me. But then they refused to release Mecha Sion so they could scrape a few thousand extra dollars that may otherwise be lost by the mystery gifting (theoretical money that would only be lost if someone receives a skin they would otherwise buy, so not even tangible) and suddenly I understand everyone's bitching.
Read my above two posts. I can make anyone complaining look damn near idiotic with just those two posts.
: The minuscule impact that allowing Mecha Zero Sion to participate in the spinning axes event is hardly equivalent to the goodwill riot would be showing their community by simply being less money hungry. Furthermore its a mystery skin. Zero guarantee anyone will get anything they actually want and as such its impossible to even say with any certainty this would impact their revenue negatively.
You there. Stop there. Read my above post. Realize something. You're selfish and just a starving vagrant. Why? Because the company you once owned you tried to appeal to all the whining chumps, and guess what. Lost your investors. Lost your game developers. Yeah you know, those guys who make the games. They make about 50-75k/year. Hmmm. Okay so, now the mathematics. Pull out your calculator son, we're gonna learn some 3rd Grade Multiplication. Alright. Lets do an average skin, and then lets do a ultimate skin. Math, remember, you do in fact use it outside of high school. I mean 3rd Grade. My bad. Alrighty, so to figure out how we're gonna pay Mr. Game Dev, whom lets say makes 60k/year. You're average skin costs about $10 flat, give or take the little extra RP. We're gonna use some 6th grade Variables. (Ya know, your first science class. Order of Operations kinda shit applies here too.) So lets say 975RP/skin & $10/1380RP, First things first, how many TIMES do we BUY the RP (ya know, since that actually means the money goes in, and guy gets paid, then eventually the skin comes out.) to pay off Mr. Game Dev. So we can take the dollar variable, and times it to get 60k. (In this case, divide, but I'ma do that for you. I'm the teacher.) HOLY Shnitzel batman! You'd have to buy that $10 RP card for a base skin (Keyword there homie. -Base Skin = Base Cost) *6000 TIMES In order to pay Mr. Game Dev. Jesus, your bank might question your budget. Okay next part, lets find out how many skins it would take if you were to GIFT skins in order to pay Mr. Game Dev. So if I take my earlier variable, the end result of 6000. Now I can take the RP variable and do the rest of the work. So we got 1380RP -per- $10. 6000 x 1380 = 8,280,000 Now take that and divide it by the -BASE SKIN- or even Champion cost. (975RP) 8,280,000/975 = 8,492 Skins total. To pay one single developer. Of course you have investors ect... but this comes to show. It takes a buttload of this, to turn a profit because guess what. All that money made off that one skin, it doesn't turn a profit until the end of the year after that one man has gotten paid. Then from that point on whatevers leftover, well it pays him again next year, and again, and again, and again. Now check this fun fact. Riot has 1,000 Employees (estimated about) right now. You sir. Just got served a golden platter of Pentakill. Have fun being self-centered and narrow-minded. Learn business before talking shit about A business.
U R Vic (NA)
: All of you bitching about Sion not coming out is so childish it reminds me of a crucial fact about this whole League of Legends thing I've called home since it's release. The player base is about 95% filled with selfish butt heads with little to no understanding of how a company functions. Let alone do you all understand apparently how a "Point of Sale" works. The way they have their system is to maximize profit, "Oh WOe Us Wyurr Mah Sion Skinnzzz! Rito shit no care bout playas." First off. It is a newly released skin. A lot of hard work goes into the Ultimate skins so excuse my french but, If you actually appreciate ALL Of the people who worked on the skin then honestly I have to say. Fuck off about this whole "Oh its not out yet because DD PoS is going on still." This is a free game. The content put out is the only point of profit other than traffic, advertisement, and gear store. Oh and guess what, each of those even though they return a profit. COST A FORTUNE TO KEEP RUNNING IN THE PROCESS OF TURNING OVER THE PROFIT. So they made you some skins for three champs, released two prior, and held the most graphically, vocally, and anatomically detailed skin behind. I wonder why. Because it is a sales pitch. You are choosing to pay the checks of developers and graphic designers and coders alike (Whom I'd assume make close to 75k or higher. Imagine how many skins you must buy in order to actually pay that one mans salary huh?) Who gives a flying urf whether or not they didn't release it? What did we all learn as children. "Complaining and bitching, it gets you nowhere." You all choose to play their game, and get upset over the stupidest ****ing decisions that their marketing/corporate teams choose in order to keep the game ALIVE, FUNDED, and CAPABLE of paying EMPLOYEE's. That leaves my final point. All of what I said above, and anyone it applies to. It comes down to this. Rito is not selfish. You're just full of yourselves and feel that because you willingly choose to pay that they simply "Don't care about players." or "Only think of themselves." In otherwords, you feel entitled to a game you had nothing to do with the creation of, and are a insect in the scale of player opinions that makeup the actual process of revamps/nerfs/patches/ect... Stop whining, be patient, and **** sakes, respect the god damn developers putting this amazing game out there for all you butt heads that just want to let the world know your a small child with a feeble self-centered mind that is un-matured and is still Egg Form somewhere up Anivia's frozen ***. That's been PentaKill Point for awhile. Was fun taking all of you whining players out. (FYI: I was a Lead Database Administrator for 8 years, I have a respect for what they do as both a company, and gamers. I now own my own business and have an understanding of their marketing
I am wrong on one thing. It's not 95% of the playerbase, its really only about 40-65% as only about 30-40% is actual grown adults whom have their own debit/credit card and are capable of understanding a business practice.
: Welcome to the new age of security
All of you bitching about Sion not coming out is so childish it reminds me of a crucial fact about this whole League of Legends thing I've called home since it's release. The player base is about 95% filled with selfish butt heads with little to no understanding of how a company functions. Let alone do you all understand apparently how a "Point of Sale" works. The way they have their system is to maximize profit, "Oh WOe Us Wyurr Mah Sion Skinnzzz! Rito shit no care bout playas." First off. It is a newly released skin. A lot of hard work goes into the Ultimate skins so excuse my french but, If you actually appreciate ALL Of the people who worked on the skin then honestly I have to say. Fuck off about this whole "Oh its not out yet because DD PoS is going on still." This is a free game. The content put out is the only point of profit other than traffic, advertisement, and gear store. Oh and guess what, each of those even though they return a profit. COST A FORTUNE TO KEEP RUNNING IN THE PROCESS OF TURNING OVER THE PROFIT. So they made you some skins for three champs, released two prior, and held the most graphically, vocally, and anatomically detailed skin behind. I wonder why. Because it is a sales pitch. You are choosing to pay the checks of developers and graphic designers and coders alike (Whom I'd assume make close to 75k or higher. Imagine how many skins you must buy in order to actually pay that one mans salary huh?) Who gives a flying urf whether or not they didn't release it? What did we all learn as children. "Complaining and bitching, it gets you nowhere." You all choose to play their game, and get upset over the stupidest ****ing decisions that their marketing/corporate teams choose in order to keep the game ALIVE, FUNDED, and CAPABLE of paying EMPLOYEE's. That leaves my final point. All of what I said above, and anyone it applies to. It comes down to this. Rito is not selfish. You're just full of yourselves and feel that because you willingly choose to pay that they simply "Don't care about players." or "Only think of themselves." In otherwords, you feel entitled to a game you had nothing to do with the creation of, and are a insect in the scale of player opinions that makeup the actual process of revamps/nerfs/patches/ect... Stop whining, be patient, and **** sakes, respect the god damn developers putting this amazing game out there for all you butt heads that just want to let the world know your a small child with a feeble self-centered mind that is un-matured and is still Egg Form somewhere up Anivia's frozen ***. That's been PentaKill Point for awhile. Was fun taking all of you whining players out. (FYI: I was a Lead Database Administrator for 8 years, I have a respect for what they do as both a company, and gamers. I now own my own business and have an understanding of their marketing
: Wow, you are funny. This SRVU is just a band-aid, even though it was something already needed. Riot doesn't care about the fans. If they did, I wouldn't be here complaining and they would have done a lot more than this. They would have listened to their fans, kept the lore as it was, made matchmaking less miserable, I mean, ffs! They got something going and they're already ruining it! They just pull some cliche scripted crap out of their asses to make everything seem all roses and rainbows when it's not. EDIT: When I say scripted, I don't mean scripting as in creating a game. I mean it like a movie script. Riot giving us cliche lines to tell the fans so that the fans won't be nearly as upset as they could be about things the community is already upset over and so the fans will get overly excited about things such as the SRVU.
**To my fellow members of the community of the League of Legends. Allow me, whom has ever only posted in extreme cases of idiocy to point something out that will end Damorion215's initial points flat out. We call this a** *pentakill* **in the League boys.** 1. SRVU is a band-aid as you call it. Do you even realize how much work and effort has to actually go into creating an entirely new map, not to mention they did add a few things (assuming you took the time to actually view the map out of the perspective of the minimap like a simple-minded fool.) It costs time, money, effort of not one, but various artists, engineers, programmers, the whole thing. To top that, usually on a game mechanical update, they spend more money updating the server networking computers to allow for higher processing speeds (Graphically, this would be intensive on any older specs. Specially since there was a massive queue in the aftermath of such said event.) 2. If you actually learned how "Lore" works, than you would know lore is ever-changing and the whole point to any lore in a game or novel, even a movie, is entirely conceptual and the majority of the time is fictitious. You don't create a game like League of Legends and then say you're going to create a set story and then not potentially either carry on or remodel the story later. (Why do you think for example there are newer versions of older movies that are, for your information, changed lore-wise and also differentiate from the original.) It is called content. Like a box, the contents can be taken out, and exchanged for anything the author/designer wills. 3. Scripting out of the ass would mean wiping your ass across the keyboard and having the hope of actually making logical sense of data out of it, which could then be used as a programming language to create a game. If you're saying the creator's of League of Legends made this game out of their ass, then damn. They did a perfectly fine job of it, and that also means we've yet to see what they can pull out of their ass. (Which means even more champions, more content, more modes. In other words, you sir, have made yourself look like an utter moron in that one statement alone.) 4. You do realize that the reason and cause to many of the various champions in this League of Legends is the majority of the time a revenge and/or justice related reason right? Take example Graves vs. Twisted Fate. Both joined the league, one to avoid, one to hunt. You've also got members who joined to be an actual part of the community of the lore itself, (Ryze.) There are various reasons, but then again, anybodies reason for fighting can change. In fact, this commonly happens in real life all of the time. You may fight for one faction for example, believing that they are doing good. Perhaps they betray you, suddenly, your reason for fighting is revenge. Please learn the true reasons as to why many of these champions joined the League. Some of them joined just to kill people. Literally. 5. This is the best part and to me, the most hilarious part that I read of your "complaint." I will now quote you as to start off my final killing point. "They could make the game so much more if they listened to their fans." All I need to say to win this argument is 3 things. The last one being my main argument to this point. *1. Riot tests and trials everything through their PBE realm. They have actually trashed champion concepts because of the community, and kept the ones that get the best feedback. They have given out RP, IP, Chances to Refund. They hand out sales all the time, more so than other games in fact. They also are willing to go back to older champions and update them, even revise their kit so its more sensible. They also take the time to listen to that feedback. *2. They're a company literally based off whether or not you **CHOOSE** to buy a **SKIN OR CHAMPION**. That is like signing up to work for a company, and then being told "*Your pay may or may not be guaranteed, because our pay itself is profit solely from the players CHOICE OF ACTION.*" In fact, so many players choose to buy the skins that hell, they always listen to what champion needs the next skin, and sometimes, they listen to us in the background too and give us the skin over the majority vote. Ain't that something. *3. **You realize that when you said this. You were literally arguing against about 13 other community members whom disagreed with your point. That sounds to me like a presidential debate, only you have about 1% of the popular vote, and sadly that's your own vote casted on yourself because you're your only supporter.** It has been fun pentakilling you on this page now, have a good day Mr. Damorion215 and Welcome to the League of Legends. -Shade of Hatred aka. Sitrikk

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