Kaioko (NA)
: Here's the actual fact with Pyke that people are going to extremely dislike -- His win rate varies all the way from 54% in iron level down to 48% in Masters. The reason is because the kill gold is absolutely ridiculous with how it was tweaked but high ELOs die a lot less. Meaning Pyke is actually balance if you are Plat or above. It's not the champion's problem... it's how poorly people play.
> [{quoted}](name=Kaioko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bevWwRb4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-23T19:15:54.315+0000) > > Here's the actual fact with Pyke that people are going to extremely dislike -- > > His win rate varies all the way from 54% in iron level down to 48% in Masters. > > The reason is because the kill gold is absolutely ridiculous with how it was tweaked but high ELOs die a lot less. Meaning Pyke is actually balance if you are Plat or above. > > It's not the champion's problem... it's how poorly people play. im curious what you think about sylas? besides pyke hes one of the most recent champs ive really fallen in love with, and while I agree his on release was pretty insane, after a few nerfs and reworks it kinda ruined some of the identity of the champion. I don't want them to do tht to pyke either just because it shows him doing well in high elo , which I think the sylas nerfs were also a result of coincidently edit: and what I mean is, since hes been talked about a lot recently he seems to be in a fairly decent spot, id say cuz of the only dash he has not being on a god damn 18 second cooldown lol. that and quality of life changes makes him to be this skirmishing, melee range, burst mage that I really like. you think he too got nerfed cuz of pro play or whats ur personal experience with him>
Zardo (NA)
: The changes were net neutral in my opinion. They also shipped him with a 50% damage reduction to enemies he doesn't kill with his R, meaning multikills are less likely. I still don't hate him any less though, still the hardest champion in league to punish. He'll just dash away and go invis unless he messes up an engage so he pretty much never dies unless he ints.
> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bevWwRb4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-23T21:03:03.490+0000) > > The changes were net neutral in my opinion. They also shipped him with a 50% damage reduction to enemies he doesn't kill with his R, meaning multikills are less likely. > > I still don't hate him any less though, still the hardest champion in league to punish. He'll just dash away and go invis unless he messes up an engage so he pretty much never dies unless he ints. that is fair, there are a lot of annoying champions that aren't neccesarily op, although I have to admit I chuckle a bit when I go mid, have maybe 3 ad items, then go for a trade, enter w, and negate everything they did to me HEE HEE
: > [{quoted}](name=Kaioko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bevWwRb4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-23T19:15:54.315+0000) > > Here's the actual fact with Pyke that people are going to extremely dislike -- > > His win rate varies all the way from 54% in iron level down to 48% in Masters. > > The reason is because the kill gold is absolutely ridiculous with how it was tweaked but high ELOs die a lot less. Meaning Pyke is actually balance if you are Plat or above. > > It's not the champion's problem... it's how poorly people play. Win rate isn't the only thing that matters. Pick rate also matters quite a lot, and he certainly has a high pick rate and ban rate. 48% isn't that terrible either. There's a lot of popular high ELO BS champions that have around a 48% win rate. That doesn't mean they're bad picks and it doesn't mean they're picked any less.
> [{quoted}](name=Baby Ghoul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bevWwRb4,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-23T21:55:57.724+0000) > > Win rate isn't the only thing that matters. Pick rate also matters quite a lot, and he certainly has a high pick rate and ban rate. > > 48% isn't that terrible either. There's a lot of popular high ELO BS champions that have around a 48% win rate. That doesn't mean they're bad picks and it doesn't mean they're picked any less. yes, but I think hes trying to say that there IS a difference in the first place? I never thought of it that way, im not exactly high elo (only gold 1) but I have seen fluxs of really bad pykes and really good ones, and the really bad ones are the ones that don't know his weaknesses
Comentários de Rioters
floo (EUW)
: > No, he's not. Pyke's the safest champ in the game. Period. No other champ can disengage as easy as him. > W The probelm isn't his indication radius, it's the ms steriod. He does get away, even if he's in range of your adc, you can't follow up with him, unless his positioning is garbage. > E Again missing the point. His E makes him way too safe. How do you follow an uncontidional dash that stuns in it's path with a delay. Despite the hitbox being as big as a truck. It's not like he just stands still after he casts it. > R So in that list you have an entirety of 8 frequently used supports who can "heal you above threshold". Out of which Janna, Taric and Bard are so low it's negligible, considering most Pykes also run ignite. For that matter Rakan would be part of this list, but also with a minimal heal. 2 ADCs and supps who can dash out of danger, would have to still have their escapes ready for this part (which is unlikely for Braum or Lucian/Vayne. Rakan being the 4th). GA which nobody ever builds in laning phase, same as stopwatch. Bard ult has about 3 times the cast time of Pyke's ult idk why you even included that one. Xayah with her ult and Sivir's spellshield. Xayah is reasonable, but why would Sivir save her E for the last instance of the fight. If she get's cc'd in any way by Pyke she's already doomed to die, spellshielding his ult or not. MS steroids of BoS are NOT enough to step out of his ult, Nami and Sivir R Idk but questionable. Why would you list so many unrelated things for Pyke's ult if his main targets are botlane champions? As soon as laning phase ends, he's either beyond reach for a comeback thanks to his new gold mechanic or so far behind his only use is to hook people out of position. Now I don't have much of a problem with Pyke tbh, but people like you who make him seem like such an easy to deal with champion because they describe every part of him as weak are just beyond my understanding. He's absolute cancer to deal with, but managable. Why in the fuck would the give him twice the gold for ult executions, which ALREADY give bonus gold? Revert that unnecessary buff, sololane Pyke was dealt with without hurting support Pyke in the slightest.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gwAd5T7x,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-07-23T09:29:23.490+0000) > > Pyke's the safest champ in the game. Period. No other champ can disengage as easy as him. > > The probelm isn't his indication radius, it's the ms steriod. He does get away, even if he's in range of your adc, you can't follow up with him, unless his positioning is garbage. > > Again missing the point. His E makes him way too safe. How do you follow an uncontidional dash that stuns in it's path with a delay. Despite the hitbox being as big as a truck. It's not like he just stands still after he casts it. > > So in that list you have an entirety of 8 frequently used supports who can "heal you above threshold". Out of which Janna, Taric and Bard are so low it's negligible, considering most Pykes also run ignite. For that matter Rakan would be part of this list, but also with a minimal heal. > 2 ADCs and supps who can dash out of danger, would have to still have their escapes ready for this part (which is unlikely for Braum or Lucian/Vayne. Rakan being the 4th). > GA which nobody ever builds in laning phase, same as stopwatch. Bard ult has about 3 times the cast time of Pyke's ult idk why you even included that one. > Xayah with her ult and Sivir's spellshield. Xayah is reasonable, but why would Sivir save her E for the last instance of the fight. If she get's cc'd in any way by Pyke she's already doomed to die, spellshielding his ult or not. > MS steroids of BoS are NOT enough to step out of his ult, Nami and Sivir R Idk but questionable. > > Why would you list so many unrelated things for Pyke's ult if his main targets are botlane champions? As soon as laning phase ends, he's either beyond reach for a comeback thanks to his new gold mechanic or so far behind his only use is to hook people out of position. > > Now I don't have much of a problem with Pyke tbh, but people like you who make him seem like such an easy to deal with champion because they describe every part of him as weak are just beyond my understanding. He's absolute cancer to deal with, but managable. Why in the fuck would the give him twice the gold for ult executions, which ALREADY give bonus gold? Revert that unnecessary buff, sololane Pyke was dealt with without hurting support Pyke in the slightest. did you... really just say pyke is the SAFEST champion in the game? hes the safest? the most, safe, unrisky, extremely easy to play safe champion in the entire game? no fucking way, how delusional are people in your elo? W-WHAT
: Always found them to be pretty cool but I'd rather the client just bring me straight in. Not something I'm going to miss in any meaningful way tbh
> [{quoted}](name=Noblewind,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XO8cqI1Z,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-11T20:59:06.308+0000) > > Always found them to be pretty cool but I'd rather the client just bring me straight in. Not something I'm going to miss in any meaningful way tbh I will just miss the music... the music they compose for champions, you have to admit, is REALLY GOOD and even though you can look it up somewhere else, that first week logging in to a new champ and hearing there music honestly makes me wait before logging in I.e pykes was one of the most strangly cool compositions ive heard in a long time and id always take an extra minute or two to grasp the feel of the character by listening to there theme (especially if I liked it)
Comentários de Rioters
Sinistra (EUNE)
: Okay guys, i admit it, you won. Your personal preference is superior to mine, therefore i am wrong. Enjoy the the new champion you got with that.
> [{quoted}](name=Sinistra,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=r8YMqX2a,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-06-14T21:41:51.684+0000) > > Okay guys, i admit it, you won. Your personal preference is superior to mine, therefore i am wrong. Enjoy the the new champion you got with that. You are right your preference is garbo, gotem
: A champion with a low winrate since they're being played literally first time in ranked makes sense.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mEOIbWqf,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T03:18:41.573+0000) > > A champion with a low winrate since they're being played literally first time in ranked makes sense. But hes……. literally.... been out for 4 months..... and that's for ranked of all ranks meaning there are some one tricks in there. its been almost half a year. nobodies "first timing sylas" nowadays
: > [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mEOIbWqf,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-30T22:35:42.967+0000) > > can sylas really be THAT overpowered? is he genuinly as broken as they are showing him to be or what? Yes. He's extremely overloaded. He was almost balanced in 9.10 so the changes should finally balance him.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mEOIbWqf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-31T02:04:30.175+0000) > > Yes. He's extremely overloaded. He was almost balanced in 9.10 so the changes should finally balance him. If he is so overloaded and doesn t at LEAST need compensation buffs, become his 2 patch after his release wr was lower than literally ANY other mid laner or top laner ? Doesn't that say somthing ?
: He has 0 weaknesses. He doesn't trade anything for his ultimate. Power budget doesnt apply to him.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mEOIbWqf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-31T02:12:11.593+0000) > > He has 0 weaknesses. He doesn't trade anything for his ultimate. Power budget doesnt apply to him. But yet he has weaknesses. So that statement makes 0 sense. Every champ has a weakness.
Vıvıd (NA)
: All sylas changes.... again and again and again.... pls
It's weird seeing 3 different people just call him completely an absurd champion yet he's in a horrible spot right now his wr is below average across ALL ranks, yes go look it up it's true, and everything you listed is LITERALLY ON SO MANY OTHER CHAMPIONS. Is it because you hate learning to go against a new mid laner or perhaps you play champs he just shits on, because your complaints are EXTREMELY over exxageratted. Like ALOT. You all listed overloaded when everything the champ has is designed to be countered somehow. He's got the chunk of heal? Grievous ignite, he gonna execute ya, heal shield yourseld, he's dashing at you? Juke it like it's a yasuo with third q coming at you, his q hits you? You are just dogshit if you let that God awful hitbox push you outta lane (especially if your ranged) and his ultimate is LITERALLY THE SAME ULTIMATE THE CHAMP YOUR PLAYING HAS, BUT WEAKER. YES, WEAKER. Id like to see what rank you guys are at, because while I'm not high elo, these complaints are that of lower elo, because he gets countered by so many different mid laners
: Tbh if his kit wasn't so overloaded, he wouldn't need to be nerfed every patch. Riot just need to stop releasing champions with everything in their kit.
> [{quoted}](name=Basstaper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mEOIbWqf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-31T00:20:32.522+0000) > > Tbh if his kit wasn't so overloaded, he wouldn't need to be nerfed every patch. Riot just need to stop releasing champions with everything in their kit. Can I ask you then? What is so overloaded about his kit and whys he unhealthy?
Comentários de Rioters
: Can we nerf Pyke's survivability yet?
No, because it's his only form of sustain in a lane , and allows him to skirmish in teamfights waiting for his 9 second long cooldowns. He has some of the longest base cooldown abilities in the game. He is generally super weak early and if he DOESN'T get fed he's borderline useless unless he's tank. So his ult being heavily rewarding but hard to pull off makes sense, his innate healing to survive his long cooldown and lack of not being able to build any bonus up like other supports. Basically if it annoys you maybe buy a grievous wound item? Or ignite to keep vision? Or if he does heal alot back off and wait for his cooldown again? If he whiffs his e, he has NO escape his w is out of combat, and his q is an unreliable pull and slow. So if he whiffs it, burst him down he's a squishy assassin, you know, focus burst on an assassin and they die pretty fast. Annoying to look at doesn't mean broken.
: As someone that's never played as him, I didn't know there was music for his ult at all. What does it sound like, anything as cool as Jhin?
> [{quoted}](name=Uberwulf X,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=F2LKoJed,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-10T01:40:39.067+0000) > > As someone that's never played as him, I didn't know there was music for his ult at all. What does it sound like, anything as cool as Jhin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZcGHhk5I1c It was just like this, it was so freakin badass, and they just got rid of it for no reason
Comentários de Rioters
Comentários de Rioters
: Seriously though, Where is Pykes punish window?
His punish window is when he messes up early game He misses a hook He messes up by dashing His coolowns are insanely long early game, so take advantage of that Not sure why everyone bans and bitches about him, he is weak against most other supports in the game pre level 6, and even after that, the fact that he heals a bunch is what offsets a HUGE factor.... He cant build any health. Other supports can. They can survive burst. Pyke cannot. Like have most of you even played against pyke or what lol? I don't see the big issue with him Ive had the easiest time killing pykes especially when I play aggressive supports
ZURELL (NA)
: it happened in the video dont be too entangled about the history of a fantasy land im sure you have better things to do >.> ngl no tea no shade
> [{quoted}](name=ZURELL,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AdgveEiF,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-22T22:25:17.398+0000) > > it happened in the video > > dont be too entangled about the history of a fantasy land > > im sure you have better things to do >.> ngl > > no tea no shade 1: good observation, it is in a video I never would have noticed that lol. 2: but I like being entangled in the history of a fantasy land, im a nerd. its fun. 3: nope not really, this is just a little fun thing for me to pass time 4: it doesn't affect me if you intend to throw shade or not, still going to disregard that
: I hope that they don't make it canon, while i think that the fight between Riven and Draven is accurate to both champions personalty, it would be a bad step forward with riven's story. Riven according to Rioters on the boards she is a Noxian being reforged by Ionia, and instead having her be imprisoned and put to death in the arena will just turn her into "i was with the evil nation but now i'm with the good guys" that would make the graying of Noxus and Demacia morally pointless. (Noxus revived Sion dispite the issues that rises because he'd be useful, bringing a deserter back under the same mindset is perfectly reasonable)
> [{quoted}](name=BronzeDriver,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AdgveEiF,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-22T21:26:43.209+0000) > > I hope that they don't make it canon, while i think that the fight between Riven and Draven is accurate to both champions personalty, it would be a bad step forward with riven's story. Riven according to Rioters on the boards she is a Noxian being reforged by Ionia, and instead having her be imprisoned and put to death in the arena will just turn her into "i was with the evil nation but now i'm with the good guys" that would make the graying of Noxus and Demacia morally pointless. > > (Noxus revived Sion dispite the issues that rises because he'd be useful, bringing a deserter back under the same mindset is perfectly reasonable) While its obvious she was imprisoned of some sorts, How do you know she was "put to death" or even forced into that situation in the first place? Riven is a highly humble character (a lot of it comes from the grief of her and yasuos story) But a part of that grief is from noxus as well. I wouldn't say its too far fetched to say eventually after the events in ionia, riven felt the need to face judgment in ANOTHER country... the one she was born into, and perhaps she actually turned herself in. Also noxus is not a "evil" nation, while it has some very evil characters there are innocents an civilians just trying to get by, Hell, I wouldn't even call swain "evil" even though hes the grand general and he does "evil" things, he does them because he wants to prosper an his nation to prosper. Demacia literally goes on lynch hunts to track down mages or people who are different from them. I feel they have delved into both noxus and demacia both being different sides of the same coin, neither is horrible, neither is good, they are just doing what they think is right... and I think that passes onto riven as well, shes payed for her sins in ionia, so maybe she felt the need to face her crimes in noxus?
Cetri (NA)
: There are statements from Rioters on twitter saying that they are stories to be "explored"; in other words, it's likely stories will be released this year that cover the events of the cinematic.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AdgveEiF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-22T20:36:57.756+0000) > > There are statements from Rioters on twitter saying that they are stories to be "explored"; in other words, it's likely stories will be released this year that cover the events of the cinematic. Would you be so kind to have a link to these? id appreciate it ;__;
Comentários de Rioters
Comentários de Rioters
: > [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T21:44:58.915+0000) > > yea sorry I got fizz wrong, I must not have "read the lore of those champions" since I called a yordle a vastaya. and yet again, I said it could be POSSIBLE other champions could have similar powers. > > POSSIBLE as in, MAYBE. > > As in, Just an idea. > > As in, Im not saying Azir and the ascended ARE "randomword-born" But the magic that azir has, has to do with sand. Its never stated why sand. Annie has magic that has to do with fire. Its never stated why fire. Yasuo has magic that is wind. Its never stated why wind. Taliyah has magic to wield rock/earth. Its never stated why earth. I swear you people think im trying to re write the story when im just putting ideas that there could be other forms or "magic-born" champs. But im telling you that Azir and the Ascended ARE "randomword-born", that is literally canon, the people from Icathia call them like that. Most of the champions were not born with their powers, they trained to do the things that they can do, and most of the times it is explained why they can use that power in particular. And its not just Fizz that you got wrong, Janna is not a random mortal with wind powers, she is a godness like Anivia.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T22:32:31.282+0000) > > But im telling you that Azir and the Ascended ARE "randomword-born", that is literally canon, the people from Icathia call them like that. > > Most of the champions were not born with their powers, they trained to do the things that they can do, and most of the times it is explained why they can use that power in particular. > > And its not just Fizz that you got wrong, Janna is not a random mortal with wind powers, she is a godness like Anivia. this is true, I actually always assumed janna was just a mortal because nothing stands out to me except that she floats that shes a goddess, plus I thought demi-gods or gods were supposed to all be semi-animal themed? or am I wrong on that iunno? (ie Ornn anivia volibear azir nasus renekton?)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T08:07:53.367+0000) > > But I did make speculation on real lore... being born with magical powers is a confirmed thing. not ALL of those champs are 100% correct, but some of them are 1: born with the "magic" that riot has described comes from bloodlines and runes or some other source, and 2: have abilities in game or in lore that connect them with that magic in some way. Plus the newest comic confirmed that ashes blood-line are ICE-BORN meaning they were BORN with the MAGIC to wield TRUE ICE... so who is to say that it is ONLY ice? What about wind? fire? rock? grass? literally anything else that could be put to a champion and their abilities (I think the greatest examples are Yasuo and Taliyah, Theres just no real "explanation" in their stories on how they got their elemental abilities, just that they were BORN with it and they learned to wield it.) See what im saying? like I said im 100% certain some of the ones I listed are wrong, but connected dots from the info from ashes new story and how ice and magic can be connected to bloodline...Is it really that far off to say that there could be other "bloodlines" across ALL of runeterra with magic? Ashe and her sisters are ice-born... what about yasuo was his family tied to wind or magic wind? or Taliyah? Or annie? See what I mean? it is literally talked about in the fashion I was stating.....and sorry I wrote really fast cuz the comic got me hyped but I admit im too lazy to edit lol > > edit: I edited a little for clarity Adding "Born" to a random word and saying that the "randomword-born" are all the things that have "random" magical powers makes 0 sense. Ice Borns exist because of the Watchers and the true ice, its not something natural that happens all the time. Riot could release a champion that uses ice powers who is not an Ice-Born (Im pretty sure that Trundle and Anivia fit that category), in the same way that Leona is not a Sun-Born even is she has sun powers... because YES Sun-Borns exist in the lore and they were not even born with the powers that they have (All the Ascended {{champion:268}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:58}}{{champion:101}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:266}} )... and most of them not even have sun powers. Oh, and by the way, Fizz is a yordle... If you are going to make a theory about some champions, at least read the lore of those champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T18:31:17.010+0000) > > Adding "Born" to a random word and saying that the "randomword-born" are all the things that have "random" magical powers makes 0 sense. Ice Borns exist because of the Watchers and the true ice, its not something natural that happens all the time. > > Riot could release a champion that uses ice powers who is not an Ice-Born (Im pretty sure that Trundle and Anivia fit that category), in the same way that Leona is not a Sun-Born even is she has sun powers... because YES Sun-Borns exist in the lore and they were not even born with the powers that they have (All the Ascended {{champion:268}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:58}}{{champion:101}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:266}} )... and most of them not even have sun powers. > > Oh, and by the way, Fizz is a yordle... If you are going to make a theory about some champions, at least read the lore of those champions. yea sorry I got fizz wrong, I must not have "read the lore of those champions" since I called a yordle a vastaya. and yet again, I said it could be POSSIBLE other champions could have similar powers. POSSIBLE as in, MAYBE. As in, Just an idea. As in, Im not saying Azir and the ascended ARE "randomword-born" But the magic that azir has, has to do with sand. Its never stated why sand. Annie has magic that has to do with fire. Its never stated why fire. Yasuo has magic that is wind. Its never stated why wind. Taliyah has magic to wield rock/earth. Its never stated why earth. I swear you people think im trying to re write the story when im just putting ideas that there could be other forms or "magic-born" champs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T19:41:11.920+0000) > > It's a concept involving the story of league, the majority of what I said was me speculating which champs COULD be born with unique magic, and as far as you not being able to read it well, not sure what i could do about that It's a good idea to make speculation but it's better when you make them based on the already existing lore. I'm not unable to read, it's your text that is poorly written and structured and therefore unpleasant to read.
> [{quoted}](name=Hextech OwI,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T07:19:02.817+0000) > > It's a good idea to make speculation but it's better when you make them based on the already existing lore. > > I'm not unable to read, it's your text that is poorly written and structured and therefore unpleasant to rea But I did make speculation on real lore... being born with magical powers is a confirmed thing. not ALL of those champs are 100% correct, but some of them are 1: born with the "magic" that riot has described comes from bloodlines and runes or some other source, and 2: have abilities in game or in lore that connect them with that magic in some way. Plus the newest comic confirmed that ashes blood-line are ICE-BORN meaning they were BORN with the MAGIC to wield TRUE ICE... so who is to say that it is ONLY ice? What about wind? fire? rock? grass? literally anything else that could be put to a champion and their abilities (I think the greatest examples are Yasuo and Taliyah, Theres just no real "explanation" in their stories on how they got their elemental abilities, just that they were BORN with it and they learned to wield it.) See what im saying? like I said im 100% certain some of the ones I listed are wrong, but connected dots from the info from ashes new story and how ice and magic can be connected to bloodline...Is it really that far off to say that there could be other "bloodlines" across ALL of runeterra with magic? Ashe and her sisters are ice-born... what about yasuo was his family tied to wind or magic wind? or Taliyah? Or annie? See what I mean? it is literally talked about in the fashion I was stating.....and sorry I wrote really fast cuz the comic got me hyped but I admit im too lazy to edit lol edit: I edited a little for clarity
: First off, this post belongs more in Concept and Creation I guess. Second, the majority of what you said is wrong You're only making random connections between anything that have a semblance of similarity. Third, can you make an effort on the structure of your text? It's just painfully hard to read.
> [{quoted}](name=Hextech OwI,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HsMEBBA0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-21T09:57:56.616+0000) > > First off, this post belongs more in Concept and Creation I guess. > > Second, the majority of what you said is wrong You're only making random connections between anything that have a semblance of similarity. > > Third, can you make an effort on the structure of your text? It's just painfully hard to read. It's a concept involving the story of league, the majority of what I said was me speculating which champs COULD be born with unique magic, and as far as you not being able to read it well, not sure what i could do about that
Comentários de Rioters
: @WAAARGHbobo is there going to be a AMA on here?
: > [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2018-06-27T16:06:10.897+0000) > > But...He...Doesn't just scream? > > Have you heard his entire voice over? Have you played him for 30+ games? Have you actually even considered "Hey I don't like these specific voice lines but maybe that's not all that he says." > > Not liking it is one thing, but saying his entire character is a screaming redneck is just....Wrong. like theres no other way to put it unless you ACTUALLY listen to all of what he says. He even has quotes that are little references to his old quotes. Everyone taking his Special interactions to heart, and saying that's ALL hes about, when you will BARELY even hear these lines unless you go up against those specific champs. > > > Plus kinda the fact that his "screaming redneck" lines just show how much he actually doesn't give a shit who you are, he wants to fight you, he wants to kill everything, its literally in his lore. so again, that's just....wrong lmao. "He doesn't scream like a redneck but if he did I would still unconditionally like it." All aboard! Choo choo.
> [{quoted}](name=IAintDarius,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=0002000200000000,timestamp=2018-06-28T07:10:31.601+0000) > > "He doesn't scream like a redneck but if he did I would still unconditionally like it." > > All aboard! Choo choo. "He doesn't scream like a redneck, but I would hate it because screaming like a redneck is dumb, but he doesn't so Im okay with it" There fixed it for you All board the train of accusing people of riding the train! Choo Choo. Also love the fact you took me saying him screaming as a redneck literally, and didn't get the sarcasm pointed at you for accusing him of sounding like one in the first place. if anything you just proved me right again by not reading what I said correctly! But yeah dude, all aboard the train that im obviously riding a dick just because I like ONE thing that riot does, god damn you people are incompetent.
Vıvıd (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=I Like Things ,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-06-27T01:12:11.599+0000) > > Must be hard knowing your parents are also siblings. I mean its true, old aatrox was edgy shit garbage now he actually has a personality, insult me all you want
> [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-06-27T06:13:29.233+0000) > > I mean its true, old aatrox was edgy shit garbage > > now he actually has a personality, insult me all you want Also thanks for proving my point at how edgy these people who hate on the rework are by insulting me like that lmao
: Is screaming like a redneck at everyone a sign of a personality?
> [{quoted}](name=HungryAngry2SPP,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2018-06-27T08:47:09.646+0000) > > Is screaming like a redneck at everyone a sign of a personality? But...He...Doesn't just scream? Have you heard his entire voice over? Have you played him for 30+ games? Have you actually even considered "Hey I don't like these specific voice lines but maybe that's not all that he says." Not liking it is one thing, but saying his entire character is a screaming redneck is just....Wrong. like theres no other way to put it unless you ACTUALLY listen to all of what he says. He even has quotes that are little references to his old quotes. Everyone taking his Special interactions to heart, and saying that's ALL hes about, when you will BARELY even hear these lines unless you go up against those specific champs. Plus kinda the fact that his "screaming redneck" lines just show how much he actually doesn't give a shit who you are, he wants to fight you, he wants to kill everything, its literally in his lore. so again, that's just....wrong lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=CrazFight ,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=wbfJxozK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-26T21:19:28.062+0000) > > Sweer summer child... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr6IvYz4XXU He makes an absolutely valid point though.
> [{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=wbfJxozK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-26T22:22:39.535+0000) > > He makes an absolutely valid point though. Ah, I now see why most of the things you post are the way they are. God help you sir omegalul
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-26T18:50:49.283+0000) > > Aaaaaaaah, good ol' cherry picking. Lemme try! > > #Old Aatrox > > "Fight as a hero, or die as a coward." > "Fight and be remembered as a hero, or die and be remembered as a coward." > "Fight and be remembered, or die and be forgotten." > > #New Aatrox > "Once in noble battle, I screamed against the silence. I stood as light against the darkness. Now, I serve a new master... oblivion..." > "March flesh, march toward them! We have horrors to sow! Lives to reap! Let me make them regret... being free." > "I am but an unholy copy of life... A mockery of its freedom... And born in the cruel betrayal of the noble ideals I would've served." tfw you're on the riot train so hard that even jokes trigger you
> [{quoted}](name=IAintDarius,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=00010006,timestamp=2018-06-27T01:47:16.309+0000) > > tfw you're on the riot train so hard that even jokes trigger you "Riot train" even though liking a better and healthy design choice is a natural response yea dude we are all just sucking riots sick God you have the mentality of a 12 year old
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-26T18:50:49.283+0000) > > Aaaaaaaah, good ol' cherry picking. Lemme try! > > #Old Aatrox > > "Fight as a hero, or die as a coward." > "Fight and be remembered as a hero, or die and be remembered as a coward." > "Fight and be remembered, or die and be forgotten." > > #New Aatrox > "Once in noble battle, I screamed against the silence. I stood as light against the darkness. Now, I serve a new master... oblivion..." > "March flesh, march toward them! We have horrors to sow! Lives to reap! Let me make them regret... being free." > "I am but an unholy copy of life... A mockery of its freedom... And born in the cruel betrayal of the noble ideals I would've served." Let me sum up your quotes: Old Aatrox: Only in battle do you mean anything. You rot in death. New Aatrox: *5 million years of vague “foreshadowing” storytelling later* let’s beat em up and kill em, with edge added on top for flavor. I’ve listened to the Aatrox sound lines, and while you have some people convinced that they are better, by any literary standards they are by far worse, or, at best, not an improvement over current Aatrox’s quotes. If anything, your cherrypicking intended to prove the OP wrong only shows how *bad* the new quotes are. But hey, I’m ready for the downvotes for disagreeing with Riot. Bring in the gay dudes and edge to put the cherry on top as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=00010004,timestamp=2018-06-26T21:45:12.147+0000) > > Let me sum up your quotes: > > Old Aatrox: Only in battle do you mean anything. You rot in death. > > New Aatrox: *5 million years of vague “foreshadowing” storytelling later* let’s beat em up and kill em, with edge added on top for flavor. > > I’ve listened to the Aatrox sound lines, and while you have some people convinced that they are better, by any literary standards they are by far worse, or, at best, not an improvement over current Aatrox’s quotes. > > If anything, your cherrypicking intended to prove the OP wrong only shows how *bad* the new quotes are. > > But hey, I’m ready for the downvotes for disagreeing with Riot. Bring in the gay dudes and edge to put the cherry on top as well. The irony is that old aatrox was way edgier, in what fucking world do you hear old aatrox talk and the new one laugh and have emotions and even be sad and depressed and think "Yea new aatrox is edgier" and I love the fact you think liking the rework is riding riots dick, when they genuinely just made a better design choice for him, don't worry, no ones gonna downvote you buddy I'm sure everyone loves the idea of pretending to be "against riot for a righteous and just cause!" When in reality they have fucked up sometimes but because you got your edgy 12 year old Tumblr braindead auto attacker removed you gotta not pick and try to find every little reason why everything they do is shit.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=I Like Things ,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=cAzGNx6s,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-06-27T01:12:11.599+0000) > > Must be hard knowing your parents are also siblings. I mean its true, old aatrox was edgy shit garbage now he actually has a personality, insult me all you want
: Old Aatrox: "Even those who have nothing, can give their lives"
Wait so basically what your saying is He went from Edgy and bland To Actually having a personality? dar god this rework sucks dik lul riot is garbug xDDDDD hashinshin is always right xDDDD
Comentários de Rioters
Raoul (EUW)
: please post with the account you play Pyke with, I want to see how you make him work.
Pyke is actually amazing the hell you talking about lmao
: You’re right man I’ll agree with you since these rito band wagoners won’t. It’s just sick how many people will agree with something just because rito says so or they “rework” it
Says the person that bandwagons on hating the rework, posting everywhere about aatrox, and tries to start a stupid theory that everyone is riding on riots dick JUST because they really enjoy the rework. Immature and hypocritical if you ask me, I love the rework, been playing him and hope I get lvl 7 when he hits live, im glad they got rid of that garbage heap of a 12 year old tumblr demon who says bland edgy things for his 12 different voice lines champ
: "Oh, and his personality is still boring, but now it is boring and drastically different, so it's worse by default. Expand on what was there, don't throw it away." So his old version is boring and bad, his new version is different, therefore it's bad, and what Riot should have done was to expand on the past version, explain his motives and reasons and to progress his story, which would have been in the old version, therefore it would have been boring. What. " a champion that does very low damage, gets blown the fuck out 1v1 by pretty much any other fighter, and is essentially now a supportive CC fighter. A tank, really." Oh no, what ever shall the players do with this? It's not like they can take the exact same rune they're taking now on him, combine him with his passive that deals % of max hp and reduces shields, and his E passive which gives him sustain for the dmg he's doing. No, Aatrox is again thrown to the gutter, left alone to rot and to be considered a troll pick. "Whoever is in charge of the VOs these days is honestly incompetent. The last few have been incredibly boring and dry." I agree totally, Swain's lines were awful and were just for the lore geeks, Irelia? pfff, Pyke also. I mean, we get it, you were revived by a mysterious force, you want revenge and you're basically insane, stop going around and talking about a supernatural city that swims, about your revenge, just stop. Kai'sa???? I mean, you would think that killing Void monsters would make a charcter vivid and expressive, but no, Riot chose to give the survivor of countless attacks by monsters and getting thrown into their realm a gloomy, lonely and numb voice. What a bad team.
Anin777 (EUW)
: Lool "super different". He has an alteration of Tahm's E, a pull like blitz, camouflage like twitch, dash with stun like panth and execute ability like Garen. Oh how unique.
Yea, Just because he has similar abilities doesn't mean hes not unique amigo, have you even played him? He plays a hell of a lot different than Blitz, Tahm, Twitch, or garen.
NemeBro (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vıvıd,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NWHczAlK,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-06-24T04:58:18.241+0000) > > Like you could honestly come up with a design team, pick a good voice (that isn't just a crappy old aatrox with NO personality and NO uniqueness to his character) and ship out a rework, all while keeping his overall theme, in fact, most edgelords who complain about this rework probably would rather have old aatrox gameplay wise still in the game and argue that he was healthy which is laughable Ad hominem and strawman fallacies in one post, good work. I would rather have old Aatrox in the game, but he wasn't healthy. But at least he wasn't a boring tank who did no damage.
Been playing him alot, maybe 30 or so games on pbe, he actually does a lot of damage especially late game, and he's a lot m9re interesting to play than the " me auto attack super fast me no die cuz me attack real fast" Edit: Also, if your going to try to make my argument sound stupid by calling it an ad hominem when I genuinely would like to see what you would come up with, and have it be better than what they released, ALL by yourself, and call it a strawman fallace when it is a fact that Half of the people bitching about this rework Just want the old aatrox because he fit the role of braindead hitting things non stop and took almost no skill.
: The year is 2018... where people are happy getting soon fed garbage updates to already good champions.
Old Aatrox was garbage. This is a new ideration. "Waah this companies garbage they will make everything in the future bad waah" when you cant accept that YOUR design to keep Aatrox the same garbage heap that he was the same is a MUCH worse idea than deleting him and creating this new one.
: If you're lucky he'll get the Jhin treatment and get 6 more skins in less than a year. If you're unlucky, you'll get the A Sol and Taliyah treatment and get a new skin never.
Tell me a jack-the-ripper esque maybe piltover styled akin for him wouldnt look friggin badass... A man can dream....
: I think tank Pyke is more of a bruiser tbh. True damage seems pretty prevalent in rune sets and popular champion picks... Have you ever tried Predator and run a celerity build? Also, have you tried overgrowth since it raises your base HP and minor AD? If so, is it useful or a waste of resources?
Yea I agree with that, also no I haven't tried pred... though I did try it when he first came out in jg and it was pretty fun, lol even though he's not that good jg. Also does overgrowth affect him like every other hp stat? Or is it unique and actually increase his health? If it effects both id say that could help him scale but getting tenacity from unflich or more armor or defense from second wind or conditioning would help a bit more in the long run
: What rune set do you use?
I know a lot of people usually try to go full tank pyke, and while I think that's fine, my personal playstyle is to play MORE leaning towards an assassin carry while also knowing the limits and what not, so I usually go aggro and electrocute classic, then resolve secondary for early game defense or switch over to the tank rune with aftershock if my team needs a tank more than a assassin so I usually go electrocute, sudden, zombie ward, relentless, then Bone plat, and iv been trying out taking unflinching instead of second wind
NemeBro (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=calibergunsaint,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NWHczAlK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-15T12:53:40.559+0000) > > Oh yes, because only those Filthy Weaboos can like a semi-skilled champion, with multiple sides to his personality, that is actually feeling something and expressing it through some pure anger and hate, making us question his motive and others' alike. I don't know about weaboos, but only plebeians would applaud Riot spoon-feeding a champion that does very low damage, gets blown the fuck out 1v1 by pretty much any other fighter, and is essentially now a supportive CC fighter. A tank, really. Oh, and his personality is still boring, but now it is boring and drastically different, so it's worse by default. Expand on what was there, don't throw it away. Whoever is in charge of the VOs these days is honestly incompetent. The last few have been incredibly boring and dry.
Like you could honestly come up with a design team, pick a good voice (that isn't just a crappy old aatrox with NO personality and NO uniqueness to his character) and ship out a rework, all while keeping his overall theme, in fact, most edgelords who complain about this rework probably would rather have old aatrox gameplay wise still in the game and argue that he was healthy which is laughable
Comentários de Rioters
Exibir mais

Vıvıd

Nível 252 (NA)
Total de votos positivos
Criar uma discussão