: i might get hate for this, but i think skirmishers and divers step way too much on juggernauts toes
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: > [{quoted}](name=VikForFirstNoble,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PZxjPQfa,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-18T04:44:10.550+0000) > > Why would it be disrespectful? Her father has so much respect for him. If there any man, in his perspective, that should be with his daughter it’s Talon. He adopted him, is his son... Sure, there is no blood related, but doing that would be still considered incest and that is usually not seen as something that is okay. And anyways, Katarina would not be interested in Talon anyways since it seems that Garen x Kat is a canon thing... for some weird reason.
Even if is considered incest you’re telling me a healthy never even had a slight crush on his hot adopted sister?
: Talon was ADOPTED into the family. Talon is his son and Katarina's brother. It would be extremely disrespectful to the General if Talon decided to get with Katarina after the General did that.
: > [{quoted}](name=VikForFirstNoble,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PZxjPQfa,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-18T04:44:10.550+0000) > > Why would it be disrespectful? Her father has so much respect for him. If there any man, in his perspective, that should be with his daughter it’s Talon. He adopted him, is his son... Sure, there is no blood related, but doing that would be still considered incest and that is usually not seen as something that is okay. And anyways, Katarina would not be interested in Talon anyways since it seems that Garen x Kat is a canon thing... for some weird reason.
Garen x Kat is not a canon in main verse Runeterra. They’ve never even met yet where their lore are at. They aren’t even aware of each other’s existence. I’m sure that her father would trust Talon above any other man in Noxus. If Katarina and Talon have sex it’s simply two adult humans having sex and there is almost zero chance of a genetic defect from inces relationship.
ChunLii (NA)
: Mods should look into banning op. His posts have been nothing but petty bait. Go into their profile and you will understand what I mean.
Only one thread of mine was admittedly offensive and it was rightfully removed. I don’t have any malicious intents, I only wish to discuss stuff people don’t wanna talk about.
: That's not how fetishes work lmao
Tell me why Talon should be into chubby girls.
: Well... she kinda IS her sister.... and he respects her father, the General Du Couteau, it would be disrespectful to... you know, try to bang her daughter.
Why would it be disrespectful? Her father has so much respect for him. If there any man, in his perspective, that should be with his daughter it’s Talon.
: that doesn't mean Talon should immediately want to bang her. Maybe he sees her as a sister because they train together. Maybe he sees her as some kind of coworker. Maybe he's a chubby chaser. Who knows?
None of those reasonings make any sense. Talon is a fit atheletic boy so he wouldn’t be into chubby girls.
iiGazeii (NA)
: Maybe Kat isn't his type. Talon might be into thicc girls. Or girls that aren't psychopathic murderers that like to throw knives.
Talon is a psychopath murder too. They are perfect for each other but Talon won’t pursue her?
: Are you trying to tell me that a heterosexual man will automatically pursue every female he isn't related to in his life?
Katarina is a young beautiful woman around Talon’s age and they are not blood related. Yet Talon sees Kat nothing more than her sister. Talon doesn’t even imply he has interest in a beautiful young woman around his age. Then they are both assassins looking for adventures. Something doesn’t ass up.
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: It just seems to create unnecessary drama for drama's sake. Plus I doubt Riot wants to deal with such delicate themes in their lore, besides, J4 has some other stuff going on for his character than meets the eye.
Not really. >It just seems to create unnecessary drama for drama's sake. It's not drama you can easily insert it into his new lore without changing much. >Plus I doubt Riot wants to deal with such delicate themes in their lore There is already a case of rape in Brand's new lore so it's not like it's out of the question. >J4 has some other stuff going on for his character than meets the eye. Like what?
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Weren't you crying out to Leona and Diana thread recently? Rivals can't be lovers but a noxian woman and a demacian prince can be? Totally no rivalry there at all.
???? It's rape. I want Jarvan to be raped by a Noxian woman. You think that men can't be raped? When will people learn to differentiate between consensual and non consensual.
: That's more of Garen's shtick with Katarina though.
This is rape not consensual or ongoing relationship. It would actually make the dynamic between them even more interesting.
: Interesting! Definitely worth calling out... so it could look something like this: Ancient Shurima (pre-Sun Disc - old gods, superstitions etc) Imperial Shurima (Targon gifts Sun Disc knowledge - Shurimans make their own gods) Icathian Rebellion (Void rises, and is "defeated") Azir's Ascension fails (end of empire) The Great Darkin War (Shurima becomes a wasteland, conflict spreads until Darkin are trapped) [...] The Rune Wars (probably worldwide, but mainly in Valoran) [...] Azir Rises (the beginning of a new empire?) Let me think on this some more.
Since you’re here I need to tell you that I’ve solved one of your writing problems. I’ve fixed Jarvan the boring problem . Make Jarvan be league’s first ‘forced love’ champion victim. Maybe have a Noxian woman go on him when he was intoxicated and then years later he also finds out he has an illegitimate son. It adds a lot of tragedy to him and now he not boring any more too. Can you imagine his dad wants his son to get married and have sex but Jarvan wants nothing to do with sex because of what happened to him? Also what about this half Noxian son now? How will Jarvan interact with a son who has half of what he hates?
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: Why does it have to be death to be bad? I haven't pored through the Demacia lore for other examples but this one has always stuck with me, because it gives Garen's motive for his treatment of Lux: >Though he always loved his sister, some small part of him had a hard time getting close to her. He tried not to think about what his duty would force him to do if his suspicions were ever confirmed. This shows that Garen's anti-magic zealotry isn't internal, but that he is compelled by national duty to do something harsh against even a friendly mage, which of course implies that most of Demacia's military shares that duty. Maybe it isn't instant on-the-spot execution, but it's enough to make him live in denial of his sister and her nature. He's trying to save her from _something_, whether it be execution, persecution, or exile. She deserves none of that, and yet Garen has no doubt that his duty would force him to act against her if she were found out.
His best friend has a half dragon in castle
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=VikForFirstNoble,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Eul7Vaj5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-05T14:36:56.199+0000) > > Where is evidence that Demacia kills mages outside of that mage who murdered many Demacian soilders and this deserved? Again Vayne does not count. She is a vigilante. > > Shyvana serves as a royal guard. Sona is allowed to be a famous musician. Lux still lives a privileged life as nobility. Xin Zhao is a good friend of Jarvan III and is well respected in Demacia. Please do enlighten more. > > Ps Taric Exile was also deserved because he had his whole squad killed. > > I am looking for an example that I can actually go and say wow Demacia is an asshole like many times I do with Noxus. I want an example where Demacia is bad guys 100%. Shyvana has to remain in human form and she isn't allowed outside of the castle alone. Sona doesn't float around shooting magic when she is out and about. Lux was given an ultimatum, serve the church's military and never use magic within the walls of Demacia, or leave forever, or die. Xin Zhao is not magic, and any claims to him being Noxian or magic are called out as fake news by the king. Like, imagine if a society exiled and executed people just for being born different, for something they can't control.
Again where the evidence that Demacia executes innocent mages? You’re making a lot of assumptions that has no canon evidences. And again Taric’s exile makes Taric look more like an asshole than it does Demacia. Shyvana literally goes outside in her short story and she is a good friend of J4. Looking for that Lux evidence. The way you used xenophobic made it seem like you were counting Xin too
SSmotzer (NA)
: If Rakan walked into Demacia, he would be killed. Saying it's perfectly rational to oppose magic is like saying it's perfectly rational to oppose Germany of holding any power. Lux is magic, Galio is magic, Garen is magic, Poppy is destined to be the hero of Demacia and she is magic, etc, etc. Xenophobic is not a good thing to be. That and they are a totalitarian religious monarchy... also not great.
Where is evidence that Demacia kills mages outside of that mage who murdered many Demacian soilders and this deserved? Again Vayne does not count. She is a vigilante. Shyvana serves as a royal guard. Sona is allowed to be a famous musician. Lux still lives a privileged life as nobility. Xin Zhao is a good friend of Jarvan III and is well respected in Demacia. Please do enlighten more. Ps Taric Exile was also deserved because he had his whole squad killed. I am looking for an example that I can actually go and say wow Demacia is an asshole like many times I do with Noxus. I want an example where Demacia is bad guys 100%.
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ChunLii (NA)
: You know the difference between copy+paste and inspiration, right?
This is the best inspiration they can take for white bread J4
ƒrostγ (EUNE)
: Um what if he doesn't like females at all? Don't just assume his sexuality xd
Riot has hinted at Shyv, Quinn, and Lux (in a Demacian ama where one rioter said he liked the pairing) but no males.
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: > and the Ryze update only gave us more questions than answers. If it helps, in my opinion, I dont consider Sona's involvement in that cinematic as hard canon. Her, as well as the other champ's featured in that cinematic, felt like Riot suddenly stopped trying to tell an interesting story and started to subtly promote the game. As Sona's part to play was so inconsequential and added very little to anything except being on screen for 2 seconds. _Oh look at these interesting characters, don't you just want to play them in our game now?_ Like what Im trying to say is that small sequence with Ryze hanging with other champs, felt less like someone on the Narrative team's idea and more of something coming from a Suit in a board meeting.
Retarded cherry picking. Wait Riot does it too.
: Completely agree with what is said in this video. And I would like to add: His VO is terrible. The disconnect from his lore is so gigantic, it is unbelievable. He is a cruel, calculating scientist, who willingfully kidnaps people to turn them into monsters and delivers poison gas for a war-loving nation to bomb Ionia. But his VO pictures him just as a living joke. He should be scary, menacing. He should show us that humans can be the scariest monsters in the world, even on a planet filled with void creatures, demigods and other entities. Facing him should give you chills, fearing that he will extend his experiments and making you his next subject.
Facing Singed gives me chills. Have you ever played against a Singed main when you’re not playing a counter like Jayce? The fucker runs at me with 2000 ms and his Rylais Crystal and nothin I can do but accept a slow painful death. It’s worse than getting one shotted
: Some linguistic thoughts on Zaun
Why is everything connected to Shurima and avoid?
: > [{quoted}](name=VikForFirstNoble,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=tNLzsUVj,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-20T02:39:30.418+0000) > > But say they knew Jayce used magic. Again think of it hypothetically. Why would they not jail him for using magic? Is it because he is not an innate mage? > > Poppy is not a good comparison. She has innate magical properties. My concern is with people that are not innate mages but still use magic such as Jayce, Vi and Ezreal. What would Demacia do with them. I guess that in the ~~impossible~~ unlikely scenario of Jayce using his Hextech in Demacia... I think that maybe they would put him in jail... but since he is a foreigner from Piltover maybe he would be able to get some kind of "lawyer" to protect him and explain to the Demacians that Jayce himself is not a mage.
So Demacia has no problem with using magic just not being an innate mage?
: > [{quoted}](name=VikForFirstNoble,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=tNLzsUVj,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-20T02:32:26.796+0000) > > You didn’t answer my question. Think of it as hypothetically not something Riot would actually write. > > So what you’re saying is as long as a mages abilities or artifacts get dampened it’s cool by Demacia to love normally without any prejudice? > > If it’s that hard for you to imagine Jayce then replace him with Ezreal. The answer is that he would not be perceived as a mage. The artifacts that he has would be basically a bunch of metallic things without magic at all... They would not know that he uses magic. Just like they dont know that Poppy is a magical creature.
But say they knew Jayce used magic. Again think of it hypothetically. Why would they not jail him for using magic? Is it because he is not an innate mage? Poppy is not a good comparison. She has innate magical properties. My concern is with people that are not innate mages but still use magic such as Jayce, Vi and Ezreal. What would Demacia do with them.
: > [{quoted}](name=VikForFirstNoble,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=tNLzsUVj,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-09-20T02:20:16.591+0000) > > So you acknowledge and understand it’s magic as it was confirmed in canon. > > 1. Demacia hates magic. > > 2. Lets say they knew Hextech crystals were magic and found it in Jayce’s hammer. > > What is the conclusion here? Would they leave Jayce alone because he is not an innate mage or would they apprehended him for using magic? Well, due the petricite that is in Demacia, i think that the artifacts of Jayce would simply not work there... the Petricite would absorb the magic that is used as energy for his artifacts and his hammer would be a simple hammer. He would be a simple dude with a weird hammer without magic at all. Like... i dont know... having a cellphone without energy in medieval times... the phone would be a weird useless thing, that is all. I dont think people would care about that random piece of weird metal that the person would have.
You didn’t answer my question. Think of it as hypothetically not something Riot would actually write. So what you’re saying is as long as a mages abilities or artifacts get dampened it’s cool by Demacia to live normally without any prejudice? If it’s that hard for you to imagine Jayce then replace him with Ezreal.
: I dont think that Hextech would work in Demacia due the stone that they have
So you acknowledge and understand it’s magic as it was confirmed in canon. 1. Demacia hates magic. 2. Lets say they knew Hextech crystals were magic and found it in Jayce’s hammer. What is the conclusion here? Would they leave Jayce alone because he is not an innate mage or would they apprehended him for using magic?
: Jayce is not a mage, he is an inventor that come across a magical item like the brackern crystal. Without it he cant do magic, thats the entire point of hextech is to make magic a commodity. Also why would he ever go to Demacia, that place has nothing of interest for Jayce.
> Also why would he ever go to Demacia, that place has nothing of interest for Jayce. It’s a hypothetical scenario, you can replace Jayce with Ezreal or Vi. All these people use magic but are not innately magical. Demacia hates magic. Wouldn’t Demacia also have a problem with these people?
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SSmotzer (NA)
: Azir, yes, he wants to expand his bloodline as hard as he can. Jarvan IV, nah, he was born and raised in the palace, and his love is for the dark and twisted magic outside of Demacia, namely a dragon {{champion:102}} everything else just bores him. Gangplank, oh yeah, he definitely had one, Illaoi even had a swing at his low hanging fruit. Swain, when he was young, probably, but now he has no time for temptations of the flesh, he gets off on more... mindful activities. Zed, probably like Azir, he needs to crank out the babies to fill his small order of shadow ninjas. Much like the story behind the Daughters of Aku from Samurai Jack.
Jarvan and Shyvana is not canon sadly. I’ve looked for this with great attention in both their lores and not one drop of a romantic implication is implied. But say it was a thing. Jarvan is the Prince of Demcia and historically many aristocratics many Kings and Princes Europe kept a mistress or two around while being married. Would Shyvana be okay with this? It was very common based on the culture Demacia is based from. As for Swain some I mistresses would make good companionship and conversational desires. I agree with you on Zed and Azir and GP
: Because in order to have a mistress or harem in the first place, the man has to have a wife. Otherwise, it's all just casual love affairs. So there's nothing deeper to this except your now public curiosity with something so insipid.
Is that a law though? I don’t see why one cannot keep a few mistresses around while being loyal to them.
: It’s a pointless question meant to get a rise like that Ahri and Wu poster.
You’re reading too much into this. I like reading between the lines and asking questions that wouldn’t otherwise be asked, all really.
: I changed my mind, Azir comes the closest but in order for what you suggest these individuals have to be or been married, which is unconfirmed and unlikely for all of them, so that's still an answer of no.
: Oh Jesus this troll comes from Reddit. I’ve seen this before on there. Shoo
How is this in any way trolling? It’s a legitimate question and everyone here is having a nice discussion.
: ***
They are presented because they are all men with a lot of resources, influence, and status. The temptations of the heart.
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: Darius is shown to have been in the Ionian wars in his comic.
Read his updated lore. He wasn’t there when Swain staged the coup. He was up North.
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