: Except they did release numbers: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/09/tft-update-numbers-whats-next/ And Blitz doesn’t even beat out ARAM
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMHRRZ6H,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-19T18:02:27.095+0000) > > Except they did release numbers: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/09/tft-update-numbers-whats-next/ > > And Blitz doesn’t even beat out ARAM Now times the numbers that arurf brings by 10x and you have regular urf statistics which eclipses everything else.
: [Shaco] I can't believe Riot wants me to dish out 850 RP to track my backstabs, slows, and kills.
Ever since that Chinese company, Tencent bought Riot, its been Riot point currency for everything new. Remember when chromas were supposed to be the solution to all the Influence points overflow that long-time players had too much of? (pre blue essence) Tencent: "What is this blue essence you speak of? Nonononono this is going to cost riot points only."
: Dear every TRUE shaco main
I'm on the opposite spectrum, I hope a spike of non-shaco mains play him and firing his win rate down below 40% making Riot have no choice but to buff
: Unpopular Opinion: Flash Shaco > Ignite Shaco
Top Shaco here, I take Flash and Ignite. Best of both worlds.
: Shaco Penta Kill 1v9
Just revert Shaco's E and vwalla! No more 5 hp getaways from enemies and he can act like a real assassin again. Imagine that.
: New patch regarding shaco
Did you not read the patchnotes??? If anything I'm a shaco main and it's finally time to rejoice, because they finally after all these years fixed Boxes to proc everything again. Also if you read they say clones are not pets. I can finally implement ap items that proc again now finally! Also when did dark harvest not proc with his clone? It has always procced for me.
: Patch 9.2 notes
*sees long list of bug fixes* Oh boy, hope they finally got around to the years of bugs that shaco has...at least one ..... damnit Riot!
: Why don't more people play AP Shaco top?
Because if there is an ap shaco top it's probably cause they've been playing that for years perfecting the craft. They know the weaknesses of there own kit and know the limitations against certain champs top thus adapting there playstyle. (this is coming from my own experience) Also a ward and a free trinket counters his W and Q. Also Straight AP is really dead for shaco you need at least 1 form of lethality or armor pen to utilize his E and backstab. Thus I've adapted and I call my Build AP Lethality Shaco.
Rylalei (EUNE)
: It's not only about winrate and pickrate. Sona is considered an S tier support yet she's far from being as popular as Leo, Thresh and co.
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eA5efksR,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2018-12-18T21:59:59.394+0000) > > It's not only about winrate and pickrate. Sona is considered an S tier support yet she's far from being as popular as Leo, Thresh and co. That's Pretty Hypocritical coming from your op you put all the winrate/pickrate stats.
Rylalei (EUNE)
: Let's Talk: "I'm high tier and best assassin for 10+ patches in both low and high elo" Aka Shaco
Honestly its like the Zed concept. Too many eyes and hate/support on the champ to change him even more right now. Like Zed, he can snowball and do amazing, but can never be a carry champ because late game the other team knows there is a chance to win against those champs unlike other champs like a yas or yi who carry throughout late game. Also the counterplay to shaco is easy, one free item makes 2 spells useless and ruins any box setups. The reason why Shaco has a high winrate is that mains perfected the craft. As a Shaco main top (since season 2) otp I've almost perfected my setups and adapted to every change. There are still a bunch of champs top that can still mess me up bad, but over time and practice I've been mastering those obstacles anyway and now I've reduced it down to 2 that I still need to work on against. Also his playrate is 3.83% so who do u think it is that plays him? Thats right all the veterans who've sticked with the champ and perfected him. The real problem is Duskblade. I play Shaco AP and Duskblade is too good to ignore so I play him AP with Duskblade to spike his E and backstab damage that are physical with AP ratios. and because of Duskblade shaco's base damage was nerfed and is garbage.
: Flamed By Riot Employee
Na this needs to be more public and exposed, Riot employee needs a taste of its own medicine and be reprimanded just like everyone else.
theTyger (NA)
: Where to find the Leo dual skins bundle...
nevermind just re-editing this comment cause I found out you buy the first skin that the second skin goes down to 1001 rp to purchase as a bundle.
: Still no Shaco changes ? And you cancel the skin you promised to us after releasing it ? No prob
So off topic, but is there a source to go to of Riot canceling the skin they said they were going to work on like 2/3 months ago? I'm just really pissed about that.
: Shaco and magic pen.
Before the assassin update and the consecutive nerfs to shaco, his E used to do magic damage and it was viable to get magic pen if you went ap. Now that most of his kit is AD with AP scaling you have to go straight AP with at least a Duskblade. PURE AP builds no longer work as good as it used to.
Sha404 (EUW)
: Shaco skin concept ideas
I know its a stretch, but pulsefire Shaco or Time travel shaco. The only reason why I thought of it is that like Ez he can travel through time, but his ult causes a paradox and now there are 2 shacos. Haven't thought out the other spells but I just thought the concept for the ult would be entertaining.
: Pajama Guardians...personal outlook.(Slight rant)
Remember when about 2 months ago a Riot person tweeted out asking for ideas for a shaco skin ? After a ton of feedback, concept art, posts, ect. radio silence and nothing to show. Yea, I sure feel the love of Rioto on that one. I've turned to a Masochist at the amount of torture Riot (and a chunk of the community) gives to Shaco mains at this point.
Comentários de Rioters
: Shaco's boxes are bugged!
Nothing new unfortunately they haven't been procing anything for years and not one response from Riot
Zeus xD (EUNE)
: Shaco bugs ? Yes or no? If yes please fix them.
Don't bother, they never listen (or respond) when it comes to shaco. I posted multiple times over the years a list of bugs and not 1 was addressed ill give you all the bugs: Shaco just gets attacked even when invis now credit to Imma Gold Digger link to the thread [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/H4PTxU3a-trist-attacks-me-in-invis-while-playing-shaco) upon further inspection it seems that shaco's box may have caused a bug were it indirectly shows shaco even when invis. Boxes do not prioritize champs when Shaco is being attacked (it stopped all of a sudden after a patch it was never supposed to change) Boxes do not proc magic damage items and runes thus we can't improve utilization of certain AP items or runes. Attack canceling/not going through an attack when in stealth puts you out of stealth (especially when after popping clone while stealthed) Shaco clone is unusable after ulting if Cc'd while ulting (certain types of hard CC) Enemy automatically follows Shaco for a sec after he deceives (Qs). Combine that with them following up with tracking your blue outline if your using any vision can easily follow Shaco movements. After the mini rework, you can't attack the inhib or nexus with clone by pressing R on them. You can only do with ALT+click. Beleive me dude I'm one of those people that this champ is the only reason why I still play League. When they remake him and kill his identity of what he used to be, I'll probably be quitting league. Heck thats not all of them there are bugs that have never been addressed that are over 3 years old
Comentários de Rioters
: League is too hard to have fun on
Finally, People who have the balls to say the truth about Riot and this forced 50% win rate training wheels. I miss solo carrying teams to turn the tide. I miss the nontoxic mentality of not surrendering at 15 and just toughing it out to turn the tide by chipping away at the enemy team by catching the mistakes one after another. I miss Diverse builds that work if you are skilled enough to pull it off Honestly, with the way Riot's external and internal problems happening its only a matter of time till they implode due to lawsuits, that and everyone experienced hops on to that indy dev build that someone is making that is going back to season 3 or 4 (forgot which one) Can't wait to go back to older builds of LoL fuck the forced linear builds
: > [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4jnBjekw,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2018-09-14T03:45:36.368+0000) > > so essentially fuck over the champion and his playerbase for the next 2 years because you don't like him, also ap shaco which is what the op is talking about IS IN A BAD STATE, and is the opposite of easy to play, he is on the level of azir when talking hard to play. > > ad shaco on the otherhand has decent counterplay, relies to heavily on items and runes. but easy to play where the fuck did you get that, in the current meta he is strong which always make a champion ez to play but most of the time the champion takes quite a bit of mastery to play One I know he is talking about ap shaco and ap shaco is much more unhealthy to the game then ad shaco since he's w has no counter play to it since you cant see it and its a fear there is a reason why fear is used alot less in EVERY game then other types of cc since its just not fun to play vs and ap shaco is harded to play then ad but there both easy to pick up idk why you think its hard to play since anyone he can easily save himself from a mistake and all he's abilities are simple ap or ad and azir is hard since you need good mechanics and shaco does not have that at all ap shaco requires placement skill and not much of that to be good. Saying items and runes are counter is wrong since if a champion relies upon runes that just means how good they is based of that and items can be counter play but not in this case since the only time items do that is if there are expensive ap shaco does not have that problem since he builds items in a similar price range to most ap champions. I think you should fuck over a player base on a champion like shaco since he is very unhealthy to the game you shouldn't have champions like him be good since if you do the game just become less fun. But I hope riot does do changes in he's kit sooner then later since he has alot of potential to be fair without ruining how alot of people play him.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4jnBjekw,comment-id=000300020000,timestamp=2018-09-14T11:41:30.310+0000) > > One I know he is talking about ap shaco and ap shaco is much more unhealthy to the game then ad shaco since he's w has no counter play to it since you cant see it and its a fear there is a reason why fear is used alot less in EVERY game then other types of cc since its just not fun to play vs and ap shaco is harded to play then ad but there both easy to pick up idk why you think its hard to play since anyone he can easily save himself from a mistake and all he's abilities are simple ap or ad and azir is hard since you need good mechanics and shaco does not have that at all ap shaco requires placement skill and not much of that to be good. Saying items and runes are counter is wrong since if a champion relies upon runes that just means how good they is based of that and items can be counter play but not in this case since the only time items do that is if there are expensive ap shaco does not have that problem since he builds items in a similar price range to most ap champions. I think you should fuck over a player base on a champion like shaco since he is very unhealthy to the game you shouldn't have champions like him be good since if you do the game just become less fun. But I hope riot does do changes in he's kit sooner then later since he has alot of potential to be fair without ruining how alot of people play him. it is so easy to counter boxes, and you can kill a box in less than a second either with an attack or aoe and alot of the times boxes get destroyed before they can even go invis late game they are essentially useless late game
Tazxzx (EUNE)
: AP shaco should work like before the "rework"
Right now I'm forced into an AP build with Duskblade to utilize his backstab, Q, and E because even though they have ap scaling they all do physical and the only way its not going to tickle people late game is to have a little lethality at least. Full AP builds have been dead for Shaco for some time now and would really want to finally use magic pen items in my build again. If not that then at least fix boxes to proc runes and items so I can at least widen my builds a little more.
: [GAMEPLAY] Shaco Q bug, exit stealth unintentionally. Box targeting prioritization.
Don't bother, they never listen (or respond) when it comes to shaco. I posted multiple times over the years a list of bugs and not 1 was addressed ill give you all the bugs: Shaco just gets attacked even when invis now credit to Imma Gold Digger link to the thread [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/H4PTxU3a-trist-attacks-me-in-invis-while-playing-shaco) upon further inspection it seems that shaco's box may have caused a bug were it indirectly shows shaco even when invis. Boxes do not prioritize champs when Shaco is being attacked (it stopped all of a sudden after a patch it was never supposed to change) Boxes do not proc magic damage items and runes thus we can't improve utilization of certain AP items or runes. Attack canceling/not going through an attack when in stealth puts you out of stealth (especially when after popping clone while stealthed) Shaco clone is unusable after ulting if Cc'd while ulting (certain types of hard CC) Enemy automatically follows Shaco for a sec after he deceives (Qs). Combine that with them following up with tracking your blue outline if your using any vision can easily follow Shaco movements. After the mini rework, you can't attack the inhib or nexus with clone by pressing R on them. You can only do with ALT+click. Beleive me dude I'm one of those people that this champ is the only reason why I still play League. When they remake him and kill his identity of what he used to be, I'll probably be quitting league.
: It's ARUrf but now you can choose any champion your team rerolls as well as the champion you rerolled. In total you get up to 15 chances to have a champion you like as well as not feeling regret for rolling a champ you just didn't feel like playing into something like aatrox.
> [{quoted}](name=MetaCosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EZlKkG3W,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-20T01:32:04.748+0000) > > It's ARUrf but now you can choose any champion your team rerolls as well as the champion you rerolled. In total you get up to 15 chances to have a champion you like as well as not feeling regret for rolling a champ you just didn't feel like playing into something like aatrox. Have to admit when I saw that feature first introduced for ARAM I thought that this is the most genius thing Riot has put out in a very long time. Still, All I want is to play my favorite champs in this mode. its still very difficult odds to do so, played 20 games today so far didn't get Shaco once.
: Urf is Back on PBE!
Don't worry I downvoted myself cause it seems justifiable by this toxic mindset of the community anyway how this mode is. BTW URF is better than all league modes combined at this point and they know people will never play normal or ranked if it comes back.
Comentários de Rioters
: [GAMEPLAY] SHACO BUGS THAT NEED FIXES
Don't bother, they wont listen. I posted a list 4 months ago and not 1 was addressed ill give you all the bugs: Shaco just gets attacked even when invis now credit to Imma Gold Digger link to the thread [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/H4PTxU3a-trist-attacks-me-in-invis-while-playing-shaco) upon further inspection it seems that shaco's box may have caused a bug were it indirectly shows shaco even when invis. Boxes do not prioritize champs when Shaco is being attacked (it stopped all of a sudden after a patch it was never supposed to change) Boxes do not proc magic damage items and runes thus we can't improve utilization of certain AP items or runes. Attack canceling/not going through an attack when in stealth puts you out of stealth (especially when after popping clone while stealthed) Shaco clone is unusable after ulting if Cc'd while ulting (certain types of hard CC) Enemy automatically follows Shaco for a sec after he deceives (Qs). Combine that with them following up with tracking your blue outline if your using any vision can easily follow Shaco movements. After the mini rework, you can't attack the inhib or nexus with clone by pressing R on them. You can only do with ALT+click.
: Shaco Q nerfs
Takes Months/to a year to finally see reason to buff shaco to compensate for recent item nerfs.... Gets insta-Nerfed the second buff goes live due to little community complaints outweighing the tons of detailed counter feedback (even though the buff was in PBE for weeks and could have been tweeked by the feedback.. oh wait, you're saying there was no bad feedback just positive feedback? ohhh). Cycle continues..
: Why did poor shaco get nerfed?
Takes Months/to a year to finally see reason to buff shaco to compensate for recent item nerfs.... Gets insta-Nerfed the second buff goes live due to little community complaints outweighing the tons of detailed counter feedback (even though the buff was in PBE for weeks and could have been tweeked by the feedback.. oh wait, you're saying there was no bad feedback just positive feedback? ohhh). Cycle continues..
: AP shaco build in season 8.6/7
Check out my build [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/arfFaBuX-ap-lethality-shaco) its all AP with duskblade to help Q E and backstab for better overall damage. Hope this helps.
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wWa8Y0x6,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-27T17:42:15.030+0000) > > You could try buying Tabi and using your eyes and Oracle's sometime. What if it's AP Shaco though?
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wWa8Y0x6,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-03-27T17:49:38.659+0000) > > What if it's AP Shaco though? Then easy counters are the over aggressive champs that have cc or tanks like riven, malph, ornn, maokai, illaoi.. ect as ap shaco has a really crappy early game (and needs to snowball early to be good mid to late) if they don't set up quick enough.The majority of ap builds play top as ap jg has a really weak start and bad sustain. The main key to stopping shaco is to starve his gold cause if he can't get certain items by mid to late he cant dish out enough damage as he relies too heavily on items cause he's a scaling champ and has no raw damage. Not to mention if you get duskblade you can one shot boxes with basic attack because of its new effect.
5000 (NA)
: Not sure if this is intended (Shaco's W interaction with runes)
Yea they made it where absolutely nothing procs with W, not even magic damage proc items. Only thing that still works with W is {{item:3116}}
nm1010 (NA)
: My problem is just that Shaco has consistently had mains that do well on him while also being rather easy to pick up and run a positive win rate. Yet in spite of this every Shaco player I have run into on these boards has claimed he is underpowered. Sure he might not feel great to play, but the champion has been at a 50%+ win rate for as long as I have been checking stats. He certainly didn't need a straight 10-50 + 70% ad +30% ap damage buff on q.
> [{quoted}](name=nm1010,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N7AXxh4U,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-23T19:21:23.657+0000) > > My problem is just that Shaco has consistently had mains that do well on him while also being rather easy to pick up and run a positive win rate. Yet in spite of this every Shaco player I have run into on these boards has claimed he is underpowered. Sure he might not feel great to play, but the champion has been at a 50%+ win rate for as long as I have been checking stats. He certainly didn't need a straight 10-50 + 70% ad +30% ap damage buff on q. You mean more of a revert cause he originally had Q damage since the beginning and just took it away after 2 nerfs after the assassin mini rework.
: @RiotRepertoir regarding Shaco
Im just gonna add all the bugs here as well: WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW RIOT!!!!! THIS:: Shaco just gets attacked even when invis now. Credit to summoner "Imma Gold Digger" link to the thread [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/H4PTxU3a-trist-attacks-me-in-invis-while-playing-shaco) This will stay as first till riot fixes Boxes not prioritizing champs when Shaco is being attacked (it stopped all of a sudden after a patch it was never supposed to change nor was it ever addressed) Would like to see Boxes finally proc magic damage items (as it is a magic damage spell) and runes again (every other champ that has a turret/minion has them get procs) Attack canceling/not going through an attack when in stealth puts you out of stealth (especially when after popping clone while stealthed) Enemy automatically follows Shaco for a sec after he deceives (Qs). Combine that with them following up with tracking your blue outline if using any vision and its an easy follow. Pink Ward has addressed this many times After the rework, you can't attack the inhib or nexus with clone by pressing R on them. You can only do with ALT+click (sometime that doesnt even work). Those are the biggest issues I can think of
: That list is a day old. We've iterated away from it and are instead giving his Q some base damage and ratios.
Nice, by any chance if you can take a look at the bug thread this week someone posted a bug that trist attacks and targets shaco while invisible with no debuff of any kind revealing him. Was this looked into? Also any chance of looking into the list of bugs he has had for years some added after the mini rework for assassins? EX: boxes changed to closest target and not attack champs that attack shaco in the range (was never mentioned in patch notes) Boxes not working for some runes and magic damage item procs Enemy champs auto-chase in the direction of where shaco Q's for 1 sec after casting ect...
: 8.6 Duskblade and related changes
RiotRepertoir is there any works of fixing any of shaco's bugs? I posted in bug thread that the most recent one lets trist still be able to target and attack shaco while invisible with no debuff of any sort that would reveal him. There is a vid showing this.
: Shaco - AD or AP
Imo it would have been AP, but since the nerfs/change in his E, I compensate with full AP with Duskblade for the Lethality and so backstab and E don't become useless late game.
Comentários de Rioters
: How about Addressing Shaco's Bugs/AI Issues before Nerfing Again Riot?
Update we have an even worse bug now. Shaco just gets attacked even when invis now credit to Imma Gold Digger link to the thread [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/H4PTxU3a-trist-attacks-me-in-invis-while-playing-shaco)
: Also there are way easier ways to upload clips to this site
> [{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=H4PTxU3a,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-07T02:50:02.675+0000) > > You got revealed by Twisted Fate ulti. Not a bug. That's trist bomb there was no TF ult on shaco
: So nobody will comment how Riot Meddler actually confirmed that ADCs are assassins?
Meddler and Pheak both def confirmed for hating Shaco, that bias is why Shaco is so weak and why One Trick Shaco mains keep Meddler in the 40% win rate as an ADC. His salt runs deep.
: How about Addressing Shaco's Bugs/AI Issues before Nerfing Again Riot?
Wish a Rioter would comment on why no bug fixes which a lot have been an issue for years now. Saw one making his rounds in the gameplay forum a few hours ago, *fingers crossed*
Reindarr (NA)
: The inability to use r again to attack turrets with shaco clone and morde ghost is the most annoying imo
> [{quoted}](name=Reindarr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1dZO4e1E,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-02-28T18:50:12.716+0000) > > The inability to use r again to attack turrets with shaco clone and morde ghost is the most annoying imo Honestly, I've gotten Shaco clone to attack turret, but never inhibitor even when there are no targets my clone just stands there as I mash R for him to "get on it already dammit all"
: the bugs like dying when you ult even tho it make you invincible until you and your clone appears? or or ooor coming out Q when near a player for no reason?
> [{quoted}](name=SaladSavior215,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1dZO4e1E,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-02-28T13:54:44.073+0000) > > the bugs like dying when you ult even tho it make you invincible until you and your clone appears? or or ooor coming out Q when near a player for no reason? Alot of the time Shaco comes out of Q stealth (within the stealth duration) without even doing the attack animation and yea the dying while invincible ulting is tilting as well
: Let's talk about Dark Harvest Shaco...
Why don't we start with the 3 other assassins that can kill you in .3 secs (Rengar with his Q revert doesnt need his ult to kill you in that time even when not fed, kha'zix, talon ) then get back to the Shaco that actually takes 2-3secs to kill his Target.
Comentários de Rioters
: Shaco's boxes don't proc spellthiefs
It's a bug thats been like this since ever. Boxes don't even proc any items that have a spell damage proc. It procs no runes. It puts a crutch to your item build if you were hoping boxes were going to proc anything
: Duskblade nerf is well deserved for the current cost and his 2 passive. The item himself create a lot of problem in the jungle in term of balance. If shaco became worse as a result it will be buff later so man up.
> If shaco became worse as a result it will be buff later so man up. Hahahahah buffed that's a good one Riot's proved they don't like shaco and meddler even after the duskblade nerf said they are looking to nerf shaco so RIP
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Nrcza86,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-23T23:44:54.106+0000) > > WInrate is not always a direct correlation of champion strength, and you, being on the balance team, should know this. He needs some counter play added to his kit. Popping out of a non counterable stealth and 1 hitting someone before they can re-act is not fair gameplay. I think a warning indicator like on Rengar's ultimate is fair.
> He needs some counter play added to his kit. > > Popping out of a non counterable stealth and 1 hitting someone before they can re-act is not fair gameplay. > > I think a warning indicator like on Rengar's ultimate is fair. Why don't we start with the 3 other assassins that can kill you in .3 secs (Rengar with his Q revert doesnt need his ult to kill you in that time., kha'zix, talon ) then get back to the shaco that actually takes 2-3secs to kill his target.
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