DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000000000000000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-09T00:59:44.460+0000) > > Because every single valid and factual point I've made, you have purposefully ignored owing to the fact that you can't contest it's legitimacy. Don't start in on other people with your 1. bias and 2. extremely onesided information. You didn't do your research and when someone steps to the plate and shows you what it what and gives in depth analysis, you disregard it and go on a "personal" example of your 700k vel'koz to counter argue, or in my case, you ignore it all together because you can't put together a logical thesis to counter my information. Translation to what I'm trying to say: I don't give 2 shits to what you're trying to say. So stop trying. Some guy wants deathcap's passive removed, MR buffed, and AP gutted, without noticing how insane that will negatively impact mage class. If this shit is not biased enough, then nobody should even speak.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000000000000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-09T05:07:34.406+0000) > > Translation to what I'm trying to say: > I don't give 2 shits to what you're trying to say. > So stop trying. > > Some guy wants deathcap's passive removed, MR buffed, and AP gutted, without noticing how insane that will negatively impact mage class. If this shit is not biased enough, then nobody should even speak. Keep the shovel going my friend. I'm amazed you aren't on the otherside of the world with your bias and lack of knowledge on the gamestate itself and only concerned with mages. I'm rolling reading your comments half the time.
stranor (EUNE)
: Void buff?
let me guess. you played two kassadins or two cho's or two kha'zixs or two rek'sais or two kai'sas. Which one did I nail?
: pls make Candy Kayn a thing
Straight up upvote this shit to get traction. This is an amazing idea!
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:20:24.670+0000) > > lol do you actually pay the game? MR is pretty bad like basically all the tank items most tanks never want to build,and mr damage items are also pretty shit. > > Ap also has way more pen then ad. > > Zhonyas is a broken item that every single ap champion that is not a support that fit into there builds every mr item doesn't do that. > > Armor is good maybe you should go and actually play the game. No i play once a fuckin year. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3033}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3135}} Total Armor pen vs Total Magic pen: 51 lethality and 75 Armor Pen vs. 88 "AP also has way more pen than AD" Sure. Don't even try with me mate. With how effective MR can be even more than armor, I consider myself lucky that i main Vel'Koz since mid season 4.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:37:28.781+0000) > > No i play once a fuckin year. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > > {{item:3124}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3033}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3814}} > {{item:3124}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3135}} > > Total Armor pen vs Total Magic pen: > 51 lethality and 75 Armor Pen vs. 88 > > "AP also has way more pen than AD" > Sure. > Don't even try with me mate. With how effective MR can be even more than armor, I consider myself lucky that i main Vel'Koz since mid season 4. Also, while I'm handing you the shovel to dig deeper with. Your math was horrendous in this post. While I will give you the 51 lethality, but the Armor pen does not stack by ADDITION. It stacks multiplicatively. In other words, you calculated 15% from rageblade, 20% from mortal reminder, and 35% from lord dom's to be 75. This is wrong and even if you were to build all these (highly unlikely), you would only get 44% armor penetration with all 3 items (if they stacked). So you are wrong there. And while we are at it, let's break down the 88 that you decided to throw together just to make it seem like mages lacked something. Flat Magic pen there is about 18+15 yielding a total of 33 Magic Pen. Not including any runes or kits. % magic pen on the other hand has 40% on void staff (ridiculous) and 15% on rageblade. Multiplicatively yielding 51% Magic Pen. So your actual numbers are 51 lethality without runes and 44% max pen from buying all 3 pen items. Versus 33 Magic Pen and max of **51% Magic Pen** off both items. **_You get 40% Magic Penetration from one item which is only 4% less than what ad would have to invest into 3 items that noone would ever build in one game to even get close!_** Game. Set. Match.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T21:04:08.698+0000) > > I speak on the class because it isn't just one champ. It's borderline all of them abusing the easy accessible damaging plus sustain plus cdr items. Don't be bias in a debate. And didn't i already say you should put the shovel down XP You yourself could put the shovel down. I'm talking to diavolo not to you. So why even bother popping in at a convo that isn't directed to you?
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T23:24:51.474+0000) > > You yourself could put the shovel down. I'm talking to diavolo not to you. > So why even bother popping in at a convo that isn't directed to you? Because every single valid and factual point I've made, you have purposefully ignored owing to the fact that you can't contest it's legitimacy. Don't start in on other people with your 1. bias and 2. extremely onesided information. You didn't do your research and when someone steps to the plate and shows you what it what and gives in depth analysis, you disregard it and go on a "personal" example of your 700k vel'koz to counter argue, or in my case, you ignore it all together because you can't put together a logical thesis to counter my information.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Diävolo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-10-08T13:19:15.330+0000) > > 1k AP damage with 88pen is better than 600 AD with 51 leth and 75% armor pen. + None can buy all these items together when you're AD. Mages can An AD assassin can buy all 3 lethality and an armor pen item, enough to shred a squishy mage champion easily, and since assassins are often a counter to mages depending on who, they can usually handle them easily even if a mage has 1K (which is impossible to get 1k but i'll get to that part later). Vel'Koz is a good example since he's a lass cannon and immobile. His abilities are all skill shots that he can be outplayed easily, and believe me, when it comes to playing vs a counter of that squid, i have to be play very differently and build HP items which can reduce my damage and delay my full powerspike. You talk as if AD are sooooo less than AP yet did you forget about crits? They are AD and quite powerful, and the crit items don't always have damage, and crit only is useless without an infinity edge. A mage champion cannot and i mean CANNOT reach 1K AP even with a build like {{item:3020}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3165}} (that's just 600 AP, without runes though) but magic pen only items are worthless without AP, and the AP scaling are not much good compared to AD. So you be like "remove deathcap!" or "remove its passive!" or "gut deathcap!" (whatever the fuck you want), will weaken the mage class severely and even too much to the point that picking a mage might become a troll pick, and MR buffs will make it worse (which i already said they are effective). That's why your suggestion or demand is horrible. Wow, you want AP so gutted because of malphite, ekko and Veigar! You only want AP to be gutted because you lost against them. Malphite may be have a fucked up AP scaling but he needs nerfs, not AP items. Ekko is an AP assassin who happens to use the same AP items as a mage, Items for ADC and AD Assassins are literally different while we're stuck with same stuff (lethality, crits, even bruiser builds, mainly for AD based champs). Veigar is an infinite scaling champ, an AP version of Nasus, nerfing AP items will do anything because a good Veigar will farm minions with his Qs and hitting champs with his abilities to stack AP. So do me a favor and don't talk about a class you don't know anything about. Removing deathcap's own passive will be the gutting of the mage class and will make them too weak if not useless, ESPECIALLY buffing MRs? A suggestion like that is merely a rage post and a hell of a biased one for sure.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-10-08T16:20:24.764+0000) > > An AD assassin can buy all 3 lethality and an armor pen item, enough to shred a squishy mage champion easily, and since assassins are often a counter to mages depending on who, they can usually handle them easily even if a mage has 1K (which is impossible to get 1k but i'll get to that part later). Vel'Koz is a good example since he's a lass cannon and immobile. His abilities are all skill shots that he can be outplayed easily, and believe me, when it comes to playing vs a counter of that squid, i have to be play very differently and build HP items which can reduce my damage and delay my full powerspike. > > You talk as if AD are sooooo less than AP yet did you forget about crits? They are AD and quite powerful, and the crit items don't always have damage, and crit only is useless without an infinity edge. > > A mage champion cannot and i mean CANNOT reach 1K AP even with a build like {{item:3020}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3165}} (that's just 600 AP, without runes though) but magic pen only items are worthless without AP, and the AP scaling are not much good compared to AD. So you be like "remove deathcap!" or "remove its passive!" or "gut deathcap!" (whatever the fuck you want), will weaken the mage class severely and even too much to the point that picking a mage might become a troll pick, and MR buffs will make it worse (which i already said they are effective). > > That's why your suggestion or demand is horrible. Wow, you want AP so gutted because of malphite, ekko and Veigar! You only want AP to be gutted because you lost against them. Malphite may be have a fucked up AP scaling but he needs nerfs, not AP items. Ekko is an AP assassin who happens to use the same AP items as a mage, Items for ADC and AD Assassins are literally different while we're stuck with same stuff (lethality, crits, even bruiser builds, mainly for AD based champs). Veigar is an infinite scaling champ, an AP version of Nasus, nerfing AP items will do anything because a good Veigar will farm minions with his Qs and hitting champs with his abilities to stack AP. > > So do me a favor and don't talk about a class you don't know anything about. Removing deathcap's own passive will be the gutting of the mage class and will make them too weak if not useless, ESPECIALLY buffing MRs? A suggestion like that is merely a rage post and a hell of a biased one for sure. I speak on the class because it isn't just one champ. It's borderline all of them abusing the easy accessible damaging plus sustain plus cdr items. Don't be bias in a debate. And didn't i already say you should put the shovel down XP
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:39:19.630+0000) > > He is still considered a tank in addition to a fighter {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} > > > And furthermore, I don't think you realize that Juggernaut is not a class. It is a sub class. In fact Juggernaut is a subclass of the fighter class. So your statement above basically said "He's a fighter. He's also a Juggernaut which is also a subclass of a fighter, which makes him a fighter." {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} I'm a Mage main, not a cheap version of Hashinshin or whatever. I'm no tank or bruiser or fighter or even juggernaut main. Not my full specialty on that except when it comes to glass cannon mages, Vel'Koz for the most part since I have 700k+ mastery on him. Whatever the hell mundo is, he's not a pure tank in nature compared to a sion, Maokai or Malphite.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T05:32:48.058+0000) > > I'm a Mage main, not a cheap version of Hashinshin or whatever. I'm no tank or bruiser or fighter or even juggernaut main. Not my full specialty on that except when it comes to glass cannon mages, Vel'Koz for the most part since I have 700k+ mastery on him. > > Whatever the hell mundo is, he's not a pure tank in nature compared to a sion, Maokai or Malphite. Lol at Malphite being a pure tank. Mundo is more of a pure tank than Malphite is. And I'm not a mage main but I still know how to classify champions properly. You don't have to be Hashinshin to use common sense.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:26:52.872+0000) > > That's kinda funny because Riot counters you on that one. Riot has him listed as a tank/fighter. Literally tank is the first thing. Man you are digging a deeper and deeper hole showing that you don't know what you are talking about half the time. I'd just quit now my guy. > {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Yeah and they put Lux in the support, Yasuo in the ADC and at one point even Swain. Idk about you, but the champions being placed in their role category is fucked up thanks to probably diversity.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:36:29.783+0000) > > Yeah and they put Lux in the support, Yasuo in the ADC and at one point even Swain. > > Idk about you, but the champions being placed in their role category is fucked up thanks to probably diversity. He is still considered a tank in addition to a fighter {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} And furthermore, I don't think you realize that Juggernaut is not a class. It is a sub class. In fact Juggernaut is a subclass of the fighter class. So your statement above basically said "He's a fighter. He's also a Juggernaut which is also a subclass of a fighter, which makes him a fighter." {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:12:07.233+0000) > > You literally take one of the tanks who specializes in surviving against Mages as your example. That is horrendous defense to try and debate with. Mundo literally has Magic Resist in his kit that augments the weak MR to make it seem like mages aren't broken. If MR was as good as you claim it to be, then we would see more Maokai, Shen, Sion, Etc. MR is garbage compared to armor. Hell even elos above me have complained about MR. You got people in masters and GM saying MR doesn't do a damn thing. But you know better right? Can't even debate on your actual account, you went to another barely used account so we can't question your legitimacy. "But personal experience shit are often the worst type of proving a point anyway." What the shitbags does this look like to you? And mundo is a juggernaut/fighter, not a tank. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:15:50.806+0000) > > "But personal experience shit are often the worst type of proving a point anyway." > > What the shitbags does this look like to you? > > And mundo is a juggernaut/fighter, not a tank. > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} That's kinda funny because Riot counters you on that one. Riot has him listed as a tank/fighter. Literally tank is the first thing. Man you are digging a deeper and deeper hole showing that you don't know what you are talking about half the time. I'd just quit now my guy. {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:54:10.400+0000) > > lol again you are just showing how much you don't play or understand. > > Lethality takes basically all game to reach the level of flat pen meaning it has already fallen off and void is 40% that's lot for a item that also gives a good amount of ap. > > Also to get the level of flat pen of two lethality items all you need for ap is boots and not even a full item and it will be more flat pen for the majority of the game since lethality needs to scale up. > > Also forgetting that there is also way more armor in the game. I play and understand enough of this game to the point to know if either MR or Armor is useless. You don't know shit on when i play, how much i play or what i know of this game, so spare me the "lol you don't even play this game". Hell, i could say that I stacked MR vs all AP champions as Dr.Mundo and they literally struggled to kill me (even with void staff and torment). But personal experience shit are often the worst type of proving a point anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:06:49.557+0000) > > I play and understand enough of this game to the point to know if either MR or Armor is useless. > > You don't know shit on when i play, how much i play or what i know of this game, so spare me the "lol you don't even play this game". > > Hell, i could say that I stacked MR vs all AP champions as Dr.Mundo and they literally struggled to kill me (even with void staff and torment). But personal experience shit are often the worst type of proving a point anyway. You literally take one of the tanks who specializes in surviving against Mages as your example. That is horrendous defense to try and debate with. Mundo literally has Magic Resist in his kit that augments the weak MR to make it seem like mages aren't broken. If MR was as good as you claim it to be, then we would see more Maokai, Shen, Sion, Etc. MR is garbage compared to armor. Hell even elos above me have complained about MR. You got people in masters and GM saying MR doesn't do a damn thing. But you know better right? Can't even debate on your actual account, you went to another barely used account so we can't question your legitimacy.
Diävolo (EUW)
: Magic damage...
But wait, there's more. If you look at all champs the HIGHEST MR they get at level 18 without building any MR runes is {{champion:91}} at 60.3. The LOWEST is {{champion:350}} at 30.1 Meanwhile if you look at LOWEST armor once reaching 18 without building armor is {{champion:38}} at 66.7 and that's excluding {{champion:412}} who doesn't gain armor per level, rather gets it through the souls. The highest is {{champion:555}} at 130
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:37:28.781+0000) > > No i play once a fuckin year. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > > {{item:3124}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3033}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3814}} > {{item:3124}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3135}} > > Total Armor pen vs Total Magic pen: > 51 lethality and 75 Armor Pen vs. 88 > > "AP also has way more pen than AD" > Sure. > Don't even try with me mate. With how effective MR can be even more than armor, I consider myself lucky that i main Vel'Koz since mid season 4. lol again you are just showing how much you don't play or understand. Lethality takes basically all game to reach the level of flat pen meaning it has already fallen off and void is 40% that's lot for a item that also gives a good amount of ap. Also to get the level of flat pen of two lethality items all you need for ap is boots and not even a full item and it will be more flat pen for the majority of the game since lethality needs to scale up. Also forgetting that there is also way more armor in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:54:10.400+0000) > > lol again you are just showing how much you don't play or understand. > > Lethality takes basically all game to reach the level of flat pen meaning it has already fallen off and void is 40% that's lot for a item that also gives a good amount of ap. > > Also to get the level of flat pen of two lethality items all you need for ap is boots and not even a full item and it will be more flat pen for the majority of the game since lethality needs to scale up. > > Also forgetting that there is also way more armor in the game. Don't forget also that in order to have the lethality count, you need one complete lethality item plus the 1100 extra. since two dirks don't stack. So you are looking at 2900 for the cheapest lethality complete item +1100 for serrated dirk to be 4k gold versus for the same pen with ap being 1100 {{item:3020}} + 1600{{item:3916}} for a grand total of 2700 gold Difference of 1300 gold and by that time, if on par, you already have enough for {{item:3191}} to counter the lethality.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T21:43:15.878+0000) > > he's not wrong though. mages are overpowered right now and itemization favors them extremely heavily Favors them? MR actually has an impact against magic damage all the while armor can do jack shit. Mage champs don't even have items that's AP + Armor except Zhonya which doesn't even provide much AP and Armor but only its active which is a coinflip to survival. AD items favor a lot more than AP in a huge slap to the point that even lethality is toxic af.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T21:52:08.184+0000) > > Favors them? MR actually has an impact against magic damage all the while armor can do jack shit. > Mage champs don't even have items that's AP + Armor except Zhonya which doesn't even provide much AP and Armor but only its active which is a coinflip to survival. > > AD items favor a lot more than AP in a huge slap to the point that even lethality is toxic af. That's a big no there. AP is overloaded at the moment. Not only is {{item:3089}} extremely toxic to the game to the point where pretty much any mage can maintain revelance even if shut down, but just look at the automatic first buy on almost every single mage in {{item:3802}} Broken down this item provides the following: 40 AP 300 Mana 10% cdr oh and whenever you level up, here's some free mana. This covers everything a mage could want. Mana, Mana Sustain, damage, and cdr without even being a full item. Contrast that item to other 1300 gold with other classes: {{item:3044}} (yes I know this item is 1250, still close) 200 Health 15 ad 20 movement speed for 2 seconds Here's little damage, scraps of hp, and the chance to run faster {{item:1038}} 40 ad Here's just 40 damage {{item:3211}} 25 MR 250 health 150% regen after taking damage which doesn't heal you up what you just lost before that assumption is made. only part of it. little MR, ok health, and to proc passive I have to let you hit me. {{item:3077}} (Yes I know this item is 1325 still close) 25 AD 50% health regen cleave passive and active (not going to put because honestly you should probably know what it does by now if you are coming to this debate.) Pretty much just a bit of ad with pushing power. And you say that MR is too easy for building into mages. {{item:3194}} focusing on 55 MR 350 HP {{item:3065}} 55 MR 450 HP Those two alone are capable of putting you over the 100 MR mark and yet I still see mages with no more than the following items: {{item:3089}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3165}} chunking out tanks and bruisers who built the very same above. And when i say chunk i don't mean 30% and we go. I'm talking upwards of 50-70%. And that's off one rotation of spells. Oh you should engage while they are on cd then. You'd think that but because of 20% from Luden's and the free 10% they get from whatever that sorc rune is, they already have 30%. And that's only if they didn't take the 1-10% rune or the cosmic insight. So here comes the second rotation. It's disgusting what I can do to people who built MR against me with Xerath. And don't even forget the Heimer in the top lane who once he builds {{item:3802}} can 1v2 even 1v3 possibly from all the stats it gives. So yes, AP items are extremely overloaded, extremely easy to obtain, and extremely hard to counter with most characters. Why do you think that mages pop up so much in the bot lane now? It's easier to get them online and they spike earlier with these items and end the game before anyone else can get going outside of random ganks to try and snowball a lead.
: C9 winning worlds?
probably the best chance NA has of winning worlds between the 3. I have no faith in DL
DalekZec (EUNE)
: *laughs in {{champion:161}} * {{item:3026}} {{item:3140}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3155}} Like these items are just there for decoration or some shit? I ain't gonna bother checking your match history but I'm guessing you lost a game vs an Ekko or Veigar. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QurJ31XN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-07T21:21:33.801+0000) > > *laughs in {{champion:161}} * > > {{item:3026}} {{item:3140}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3155}} > Like these items are just there for decoration or some shit? > I ain't gonna bother checking your match history but I'm guessing you lost a game vs an Ekko or Veigar. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} he's not wrong though. mages are overpowered right now and itemization favors them extremely heavily
Infernape (EUW)
: You probably dodged a game. Dodging games counts as a loss in your promos.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=62bzUEa2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-06T19:08:45.135+0000) > > You probably dodged a game. Dodging games counts as a loss in your promos. Hang on. Reread his statement again. See if you are slightly confused as I am.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T06:37:13.957+0000) > > kogmaw gargayle stoneplat + spirit visage + adaptive helm. try that vs him and you will see how much he needs to strugle to kill you. > and again im saying i want the true damage removed in the % form. remove the % thats all. it should not be 14% true damage. just true damage with a certain amount based on her attack or crit or whatever. > > . garen had true damage on ult and its fine. bc its not % true damage besides 1%. means that he cant kill me a t 40% health like he can kill my adc. and that is the whole point of someone going tank and someone going adc. tanks absorb more damage and hits in order to give time to their team to peel. why am i explaining iron stuff to you dude. now im the same amout of shots away as my adc give or take 2-3 Because you are thinking with an Iron mentality. I do just fine in my elo versus Vayne's. Perhaps because I don't go face checking a bush solo. XP but you know, I'm in Plat playing with diamonds in norms to get better. What do i know XP.
> [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T19:48:46.088+0000) > > why are you showing me rank as if im not plat 3 aswell? > perhaps being the tank means that you can give yourself the benefit to face check a brush since the only champ who can solo kill you so fast is vayne which is the one im talking about. You could facecheck brushes. However, I wouldn't do it solo as you've been saying this whole time. That's flat out dumb to not have your team behind you in a late game scenario.
: You are making no sense, tanks never fall off they are always able to offer cc. His main argument isnt that vayne isnt a tank killer, hes asking why is vayne allowed to be a tank killer.
> [{quoted}](name=LightswornLance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-05T13:51:05.755+0000) > > You are making no sense, tanks never fall off they are always able to offer cc. His main argument isnt that vayne isnt a tank killer, hes asking why is vayne allowed to be a tank killer. You can offer cc yes. But they do fall off in the late game. You can't just waltz in anywhere and everywhere you please and not get punished late game. Highly unlikely you get out of their alive. Where as mid game you could easily get away due to how tanky you are or maybe even trade a kill. Yes, tanks fall off. They don't scale into the late game tremendously. We're just meat shields and the more damage that everyone builds, the less we're worth. Especially with some of the adcs out there.
Salron88 (EUW)
: kogmaw gargayle stoneplat + spirit visage + adaptive helm. try that vs him and you will see how much he needs to strugle to kill you. and again im saying i want the true damage removed in the % form. remove the % thats all. it should not be 14% true damage. just true damage with a certain amount based on her attack or crit or whatever. . garen had true damage on ult and its fine. bc its not % true damage besides 1%. means that he cant kill me a t 40% health like he can kill my adc. and that is the whole point of someone going tank and someone going adc. tanks absorb more damage and hits in order to give time to their team to peel. why am i explaining iron stuff to you dude. now im the same amout of shots away as my adc give or take 2-3
> [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T06:37:13.957+0000) > > kogmaw gargayle stoneplat + spirit visage + adaptive helm. try that vs him and you will see how much he needs to strugle to kill you. > and again im saying i want the true damage removed in the % form. remove the % thats all. it should not be 14% true damage. just true damage with a certain amount based on her attack or crit or whatever. > > . garen had true damage on ult and its fine. bc its not % true damage besides 1%. means that he cant kill me a t 40% health like he can kill my adc. and that is the whole point of someone going tank and someone going adc. tanks absorb more damage and hits in order to give time to their team to peel. why am i explaining iron stuff to you dude. now im the same amout of shots away as my adc give or take 2-3 Because you are thinking with an Iron mentality. I do just fine in my elo versus Vayne's. Perhaps because I don't go face checking a bush solo. XP but you know, I'm in Plat playing with diamonds in norms to get better. What do i know XP.
Salron88 (EUW)
: again. why is there a champ in the game who renders useless every items in the shop specialised for defense. i want a champion who i can build agaist becouse that is part of the game strategy. i can build vs kaisa and kogmaw. i cant build vs vayne.
> [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T06:26:33.703+0000) > > again. why is there a champ in the game who renders useless every items in the shop specialised for defense. i want a champion who i can build agaist. i can build vs kaisa and kogmaw. i cant build vs vayne. One you can't build against a kogmaw. Even with ninja tabi and adaptive helm among other tank items he can still shred tanks in about 5 seconds, sometimes less. He's pretty close to on par with vayne in a latea game setting. Kai'sa depends. And again. Her damage is still ad with true damage buffered in. If you actually link the match in question, I could spell it out at a kindergarten level. Or you could keep complaining about Vayne to people who know Vayne isn't an issue.
Salron88 (EUW)
: IM LATE GAME TOO!! u say it as if im some filler episode and barely matter. im the late game tank with 6 items. im not supposed to be destroyed to easily at that point by 1 single champ hitting me. jinx dos not burst me as fast as vayne does thats for sure. not at 6 items even with crit. why? becouse she does not have % true damage set at 14% + other damage a single hit.
> [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T06:19:35.480+0000) > > IM LATE GAME TOO!! u say it as if im some filler episode and barely matter. im the late game tank with 6 items. im not supposed to be destroyed to easily at that point by 1 single champ hitting me. > jinx dos not burst me as fast as vayne does thats for sure. not at 6 items even with crit. why? becouse she does not have % true damage set at 14% + other damage a single hit. Aight. I'ma spell this out as simple as I can. You are a late game tank. There is no such thing, all tanks fall off in the late game. We are strongest mid to early late but easily get outscaled. Secondly, you are a tank. You are also comparing a Jinx to Vayne. Jinx is a hyper carry who relies on finding a quick kill for resets. Vayne is someone who specializes in tank killing. Very few adcs are specd to do so. Vayne, Kog'maw, and I believe Kai'sa. You follow me now? You (a tank) got beat by Vayne (a tank killing adc.) That is what is suppose to happen. It happened. And you are only complaining because of one instance that has you tilted beyond belief. She isn't even a premier adc. If you want to be mad, be mad at yourself for not grouping to beat her with your team. Or be mad at your team for not following with damage behind what tank you brought.
: If you think that building a couple defensive items should entitle you to ignore strategy and just wander around the map without worrying about what the enemy team might be doing, I don't know what to tell you other than I'm glad you're not in charge of design or balance.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-05T06:10:43.195+0000) > > If you think that building a couple defensive items should entitle you to ignore strategy and just wander around the map without worrying about what the enemy team might be doing, I don't know what to tell you other than I'm glad you're not in charge of design or balance. or in my elo or region for that matter {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Salron88 (EUW)
: it takes her 3 seconds to kill and adc and 5 to kill a tank. how is that fair to me with 2 armor items and 2 health items + grevious wounds?
> [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T06:01:33.460+0000) > > it takes her 3 seconds to kill and adc and 5 to kill a tank. how is that fair to me with 2 armor items and 2 health items + grevious wounds? Pretty fair if you look at the fact she was probably late game. You aren't convincing anyone right now especially since the strongest adcs are caitlyn, ashe, and jinx. Vayne isn't even a thought in most people's minds.
Salron88 (EUW)
: maybe just maybe i did not go for the 1 v 1 but got caught. u know part of the game. no vision. a 5k tank goes to face check to put vision and is melted in 0.15 seconds like its a doll. why? becouse we designed a champion who stands above the market items.
> [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swsEHEFw,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T05:30:15.455+0000) > > maybe just maybe i did not go for the 1 v 1 but got caught. u know part of the game. no vision. a 5k tank goes to face check to put vision and is melted in 0.15 seconds like its a doll. why? becouse we designed a champion who stands above the market items. Not much of a tank if you are dead in .15 seconds. I play sejuani as a tank and it still takes about 5-7 seconds for a Vayne to come close to dropping me lol
Jacksin (OCE)
: What's your personal favorite ship?
Guess I'm the only one in here who was thinking the Millennium Falcon
: > [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleepier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=syba3WQE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-30T20:15:46.566+0000) > > Level 9 vs Level 9. I don't see a problem. > > I'm assuming there's a reason we aren't shown their items too. > > --- > > Edit: I found the game. > > Here's Udyr's items at 14 mins > {{item:1416}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3057}} {{item:3101}} (he also didn't take a single armor rune, went AS/AD/Health. Also running PtA) > > Here's Talon's > {{item:3077}} {{item:3117}} {{item:3147}} > > Basically, that Udyr was squishy as hell. He also had 1 point in W at that moment. > > Udyr had a 1k gold advantage, but gold advantage doesn't just mean you auto-win without proper itemization for the situation. Talon also had zero armor items. As you point out had a 1k gold DISADVANTAGE. Making Talon also squishy as hell. At what point should Talon actually get punished out of curiousity?
> [{quoted}](name=kittylover111,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=syba3WQE,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-30T20:26:12.779+0000) > > Talon also had zero armor items. As you point out had a 1k gold DISADVANTAGE. Making Talon also squishy as hell. At what point should Talon actually get punished out of curiousity? Talon is susceptible to cc just like every other champ. And after he ults, he brings very little to the table. Udyr was caught out, didn't itemize properly, and got bursted by a Talon who went for lethality. That happens.
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=syba3WQE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-30T19:40:16.599+0000) > > depends on what the udyr was building. also udyr is hardly a juggernaut. No. Period. You should not be allowed to 100-0 someone as a 1/4 Talon by level 9. Period. End of story.
> [{quoted}](name=kittylover111,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=syba3WQE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-30T19:42:52.315+0000) > > No. Period. You should not be allowed to 100-0 someone as a 1/4 Talon by level 9. Period. End of story. Actually no. Even if he was doing badly in lane, the udyr for one, used shield before it was time. And for two, I'm guessing the talon was going for lethality and if udyr had only built damage then yes, he would easily die. I can't actually see the match this was from because when i check your match history it keeps telling me player not found.
: Here is why Assassins are absolute bullshit and people say they skew the game too much
depends on what the udyr was building. also udyr is hardly a juggernaut.
: Would be nice to see the older Hextech Skins get updated to today's Quality Standards
careful now. they will switch those skins to needing 10 gemstones as well XP
: Wilds aganist yordles
there has been multiple posts regarding this exact problem. Riot hasn't given any statement about fixing it. The wild buff was suppose to be the sole counter to yordles now with the RFC being changed
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Kei143 (NA)
: He shields in the direction of the furthest enemy from him (not always the enemy in the corner). So if the enemy has assassins jumped onto you backline far from Braum, he will shield in that direction. If you are anticipating matching up against people with assassins, consider putting Braum closer to your backline.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=Hpdqg8TQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-17T21:08:20.776+0000) > > He shields in the direction of the furthest enemy from him (not always the enemy in the corner). So if the enemy has assassins jumped onto you backline far from Braum, he will shield in that direction. > > If you are anticipating matching up against people with assassins, consider putting Braum closer to your backline. again...you didn't read what i said. No one is in the direction that he put his shield up. IE: There is literally noone in the direction that his shield is blocking nor was there ever!
: why im not a huge fan of riot and league events now a days.
: It's not buggy he points it at the further target, the furthest target just isn't always the best (but it often is).
> [{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=Hpdqg8TQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T19:34:02.073+0000) > > It's not buggy he points it at the further target, the furthest target just isn't always the best (but it often is). wrong because he has pointed in where noone has been before. had you read my original post you would have realized that.
: There are many champions who won't always use their ult in an optimum fashion, but when they do they tend to be stronger than those which don't really have any variation in effectiveness. Braum is *extremely* strong. Don't let the bad shields fool you.
> [{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=Hpdqg8TQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-17T18:59:27.130+0000) > > There are many champions who won't always use their ult in an optimum fashion, but when they do they tend to be stronger than those which don't really have any variation in effectiveness. Braum is *extremely* strong. Don't let the bad shields fool you. Oh it'll fool me alright. He's been in all of my comps today and guess out of over 60-70 shields he has accurately placed it how it should be.... i counted 5 times. that's not op. that's buggy as hell
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: He is one of the best... With 2-3 items he can tank entire army.
> [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=Hpdqg8TQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-17T18:59:33.235+0000) > > He is one of the best... With 2-3 items he can tank entire army. Woot. He can tank an entire army while throwing his shield completely opposite of everyone. Doesn't matter how much he can tank if a MF can just free ult because he decided his shield should go somewhere else.
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: Anybody Else Trying to Collect All the Champ Shards?
Save them for rank 6 and rank 7 so you don't have to spend BE.
: I actually stomped Glacials with relative ease with the following 8 champs in TFT {{champion:82}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:30}} Never got to level 9 for the next champ. Won before I had the chance. But stomped 6 glacial comp with ease. course he had a couple others.
> [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s8xk24KQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-13T16:08:33.781+0000) > > I actually stomped Glacials with relative ease with the following 8 champs in TFT > > {{champion:82}} {{champion:150}} > {{champion:117}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:25}} > {{champion:136}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:30}} > > Never got to level 9 for the next champ. Won before I had the chance. But stomped 6 glacial comp with ease. course he had a couple others. Between The phantoms virtually eliminating one champion. TF feeding everyone mana and gnar getting mega in less than 4 seconds some rounds, Few comps stood a chance past 10 seconds.
: Honestly nerf Glacial.
I actually stomped Glacials with relative ease with the following 8 champs in TFT {{champion:82}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:30}} Never got to level 9 for the next champ. Won before I had the chance. But stomped 6 glacial comp with ease. course he had a couple others.
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Barkley (NA)
: You wanna hear a joke?
I was honestly shaking my head at both bot and mid. I don't think Corki Package was ever used offensively or in a team fight that whole game. He just used it to get away everytime. In a 5v3 situation where TSM had the advantage, Spica had flash ult that he could use on the Kog who doesn't have QSS, then follow with a e auto on tahm right after he eats up kog that would allow TSM to close on him. These games seem too fishy compared to what I'm use to seeing out of TSM. Way too fishy. Meh. Doesn't matter. Whether TSM got there or CG got there, noone in NA is good enough to make noise. Closest to making noise would be C9 because DL just chokes everytime he is on the big stage. Most notable being his gameplay when TSM was thought to be able to challenge. Another Worlds I can feel just fine about not watching. Not worth it.
: it really doesnt work like that. they would have to think how much and for whom. 170 champs so that will take a while
> [{quoted}](name=Useless Jester,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zcB1tncF,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T21:01:28.454+0000) > > it really doesnt work like that. they would have to think how much and for whom. 170 champs so that will take a while and they haven't even started.
: Bro just report them and move on. It's not riots fault nor anything and dictates what champion can be played where. If that's the case anytime someone takes ignite as supp that's trolling cause they just after kills
> [{quoted}](name=KlydeFrog,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=klqMAtd0,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-01T19:58:03.191+0000) > > Bro just report them and move on. It's not riots fault nor anything and dictates what champion can be played where. If that's the case anytime someone takes ignite as supp that's trolling cause they just after kills It actually full blown is. It's completely Riot's fault. As much money as they have, they can afford a few extra employees to actually be ones that monitor these issues to help cut down. You aren't convincing me. Riot doesn't want to put forth the effort.
: You know what they say, you cant beat em join em. I dont beat around the bush, if people are going to protect this stuff, and its going to tilt me off the ends of earth in my games then why wouldnt i indulge myself in this "fun"?
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=klqMAtd0,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T19:46:02.273+0000) > > You know what they say, you cant beat em join em. I dont beat around the bush, if people are going to protect this stuff, and its going to tilt me off the ends of earth in my games then why wouldnt i indulge myself in this "fun"? Way to be a sheep and be part of the problem. Good day.
rujitra (NA)
: "won't help" isn't applicable to any summoners. All spells *help*. Just because **you** think they won't help doesn't make it so. I have one friend that will take ghost over flash on many champions because he knows he'll be too aggressive and waste flash and likely die using it. Does that mean he should be punished?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=klqMAtd0,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T19:39:11.807+0000) > > "won't help" isn't applicable to any summoners. All spells *help*. Just because **you** think they won't help doesn't make it so. > > I have one friend that will take ghost over flash on many champions because he knows he'll be too aggressive and waste flash and likely die using it. Does that mean he should be punished? Taking Cleanse into a team that might only have one slow=won't help. Taking no flash into a bot lane of potential ranged champions that can poke you out=won't help. Taking no heal or exhaust or ignite for fighting back in the early=won't help. Taking no tp to offset not taking any of the three from the previous sentence to ensure you get back to lane to not miss cs or make plays across map=won't help. As for your friend, I'd recommend working on dieing less and learning when to back off. Especially if he can point out his own flaws. Work on them, not grabbing a spell thinking it enables him to not worry about overextending.
: unlike balancing this is super easy to change. also this used to be bigger so im complaining about them making it smaller
> [{quoted}](name=Useless Jester,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zcB1tncF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T19:33:41.377+0000) > > unlike balancing this is super easy to change. > > also this used to be bigger so im complaining about them making it smaller Balancing could be as simple as nerfing damage across the board so I as a Sejuani am not able to one v one bruisers or late game adcs even if I miss say my ultimate or the second part of W.
rujitra (NA)
: I'm not saying it's meta. I'm saying that to punish someone for playing "off meta", you both **must define a meta** - clearly and unambiguously, and you must punish **any** player that plays outside that meta, regardless of if it "works" or not.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=klqMAtd0,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T19:30:07.814+0000) > > I'm not saying it's meta. > > I'm saying that to punish someone for playing "off meta", you both **must define a meta** - clearly and unambiguously, and you must punish **any** player that plays outside that meta, regardless of if it "works" or not. So define it then. I'm open to most any champion in a lane but the moment I see those offmeta champions in a lane WITH summoners I know damn well won't help, that's when we don't even have to reach the game for me to know it's trolling. Most champions in this game rely heavily on flash just to get through laning half the time. Very few champions can play a game without taking flash as the summoner. {{champion:120}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:350}} are pretty much the only champions that have the potential to not run flash. There could be a couple that slide in with potential, but as the meta that we've seen defined, these are generally the ones without flash.
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