: You can play Ornn, Sylas and Qiyana in jungle Also, before Kayn there were 3/6 junglers released, Taliyah, Camille and Ivern
> [{quoted}](name=Veloz Destello,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GAm3J1AE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-19T21:53:46.626+0000) > > You can play Ornn, Sylas and Qiyana in jungle > Also, before Kayn there were 3/6 junglers released, **Taliyah, Camille** and Ivern The irony is only Ivern was intended to be a jungler. All the others were intended for lanes, but when they were SO giga busted people started playing them in the Jungle also. Every single one of them including the unlisted Aatrox rework has been given nerfs specifically designed to ruin their JG clear and viability. Also Ivern is literally the only one that has almost always been dogshit weak.
: Goodbye Season 9 and Good Riddance
OP - I'm so glad S9 is over it LoL couldn't get any worse S10- Hold my beer
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XggwYbEk,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-11-17T20:32:27.043+0000) > > None of these are arguments they're opinions. > > 1 - Untargetability is a toxic and overpowered mechanic. If it's going to exist in the game it needs to be limited see Kayn/Zed R buttons > Nearly unlimited untargetability isn't interesting it's an awful game mechanic, which is why even without being a true power pick in pro play and having a low win/pick/ban rates in solo Q Yuumi can still be almost universally reviled. "None of these are arguments they're opinions" "Also here's my opinion that untargetability as a whole is too strong and should be limited to R buttons only." You know what's too strong about Untargetability? The fact that you can use it AFTER an attack is already in progress to instantly and reactively outplay anything. Yuumi's untargetability can't do that unless the attack is a skillshot and you used it incorrectly. It's nowhere near the level of bullshit that Fizz or Yi's untargetability is. >Solo Q winrates are pretty meaningless for this reason. Okay, quote us some flex Queue winrates. Quote us some professional match winrates. I don't think this "teammates won't play optimally for Yuumi" effect does as much as you think it does.
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XggwYbEk,comment-id=000f0001,timestamp=2019-11-18T00:44:14.619+0000) > > "None of these are arguments they're opinions" > "Also here's my opinion that untargetability as a whole is too strong and should be limited to R buttons only." > Didn't say there was anything wrong with expressing ones opinion. I just wish people would stop pretending like it's an argument. > You know what's too strong about Untargetability? The fact that you can use it AFTER an attack is already in progress to instantly and reactively outplay anything. Yuumi's untargetability can't do that unless the attack is a skillshot and you used it incorrectly. It's nowhere near the level of bullshit that Fizz or Yi's untargetability is. > This isn't even deserving of a response. It just so shortsided and biased and nonsensical. But the short response is no that isn't the reason untargetability is powerful. It's that it has 0 counterplay. > Okay, quote us some flex Queue winrates. Quote us some professional match winrates. I don't think this "teammates won't play optimally for Yuumi" effect does as much as you think it does. No, that's a waste of time.
Ulanopo (NA)
: I don't think Yuumi needs to be knocked off on a displacement
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XggwYbEk,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-17T16:00:36.274+0000) > > * Being attached to an ally is a core aspect of Yuumi's theme intended to appeal to the specific fantasy of being a wizard's familiar. > * Being attached is an excellent way to express the theme, but can be tricky to balance because untargetability is problematic under many circumstances. > * Much as I think it would be healthier for her to have a modal play style somewhat similar to Jayce, Yuumi is intended to be fairly simple and straightforward. Also, having to decide to be detached damages the theme. > * Yuumi is currently not in a great place (see link). I think part of that is that she's one of those champions that can feel oppressive when run by a skilled player in a premade that knows how to take advantage of her strong points. I also feel she's worthy of a medium-sized rebalance based on those numbers. > * Her picks and bans at Worlds are worthy of discussion. It looks to me like she was a niche pick and that teams threw a ban at her simply not to have to put up with the off-meta play. She certainly wasn't in the top 20 at Worlds and her performance there was weak. > * Having displacements detach her is a straight nerf. The request to have displacements detach her feels more like a generic gripe about untargetability than a specific complaint about facing her. > * Yuumi could benefit from some graphic changes that make it more clear where she is. I know that in the chaos of a big team fight, I often lose her. None of these are arguments they're opinions. 1 - Untargetability is a toxic and overpowered mechanic. If it's going to exist in the game it needs to be limited see Kayn/Zed R buttons Nearly unlimited untargetability isn't interesting it's an awful game mechanic, which is why even without being a true power pick in pro play and having a low win/pick/ban rates in solo Q Yuumi can still be almost universally reviled. 2- I believe the primary reason she has a low win rate is because people refuse to play her optimally in solo Q. Due to her untargetability she can be attached to a Tanky juggernaut which effectively makes her relatively unkillable while at the same time taking away the typically weaknesses of those juggernauts, her power comes from synergy not solely from herself. However in solo Q people will often pair her with a squishy marksman or she will attach to a diver in team fights, in the later cases she is very killable. Players using poor strategy doesn't make a champ weak. Solo Q winrates are pretty meaningless for this reason. 3a -I do not care about what arbitrary numbers you think justify the near complete removal of counterplay. 3b -I don't care about your "Wizard familiar" fantasy, LOL is a multiplayer PVP MOBA not a casual RPG. Theme should take a backseat to enjoyable and balanced gameplay. Not the other way around. 4- Yuumi doesn't need nerfs per se, she needs counterplay. 5- Riot should stop putting toxic mechanics in the game and trying to "balance" those toxic mechanics around some arbitrary win percentage >I've turned off voting. Your response has to stand on its own. Your OP doesn't which is why you turned off votes.
Axxuka (NA)
: People need to learn Senna FAST
Anything is good with Senna because she is so OP it doesn't matter. Champ is literally 80% presence in master+ tier with 55% WR. She is literally S3 Kass levels of broken right now
: Dynamic Queue was Riot's way of trying to reintroduce Strategy to League, and Clash is it's prodigy.
TL:DR Allowing 5s to Q against Singles is dumb. RIOT does everything possible at every possible chance to reduced strategic elements from the game. For example see what they did about gold funneling, see the repeated changes to the Jungle that force a gank heavy playstyle see the changes to Elder 2 into basically an I win button making the only valid strat in the super late game Teamfight around it.
: I don't wanna have to be that guy.......but patch day when the whole client and servers broke Riot responded and put that in the little yellow exclamation mark at the top right of the page where the blue one currently is(also exists on the launcher) informing everyone that they were aware of the problems and looking into fixing them. But there where still about 10 posts+ an hour from people who fail to read.
> [{quoted}](name=ClaireRedfield,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TXWtwIPt,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-12T06:54:02.481+0000) > > I don't wanna have to be that guy.......but patch day when the whole client and servers broke Riot responded and put that in the little yellow exclamation mark at the top right of the page where the blue one currently is(also exists on the launcher) informing everyone that they were aware of the problems and looking into fixing them. But there where still about 10 posts+ an hour from people who fail to read. You can see the exclamation mark on the boards and you can also go to the service status page. The exclamation mark would still be yellow if it was an ongoing issue btw.
: Thanks for being that guy, cause I would've been that guy otherwise.
> [{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TXWtwIPt,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-12T15:21:58.401+0000) > > Thanks for being that guy, cause I would've been that guy otherwise. You would've lied and shilled for Riot if he didn't? Because what he said isn't true.
: Might have gotten missed or dismissed accidentally. Definitely shouldn't still be up. I'll handle it.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=h8vZBHQx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-11T15:41:37.179+0000) > > Might have gotten missed or dismissed accidentally. Definitely shouldn't still be up. I'll handle it. O'rly? No you specifically gave me this reasoning for it. Which is why i felt it was okay to post the other thread. > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=gYkmK3K4,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-21T19:12:45.917+0000) > > I'm on the fence with this one. Given E-Sports is for discussing and reacting to E-Sports news and the thread (which is definitely an expression of a reaction to something in the E-sports scene) seems to have created a discussion around a relatively low-effort post, I believe I'd err on the side of leaving it up, although I might want to get a second opinion. I guess it's clear at this point you and much of the moderation team need to replace because you're incapable of handling your position.
Comentários de Rioters
iMidg3t (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=vGjnuXQa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-10T15:57:50.221+0000) > > I think there's a simpler explanation: G2 didn't play very well. Despite me being a fan of G2 I agree, their performance was shit. Its still wierd how they how they just went from shitting on every other team to being royaly fucked..
> [{quoted}](name=iMidg3t,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=vGjnuXQa,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-11-10T16:08:34.215+0000) > > Despite me being a fan of G2 I agree, their performance was shit. > Its still wierd how they how they just went from shitting on every other team to being royaly fucked.. G2 definitely wasn't "shitting" on every other team. G2 Finished Second in group stage. Griffin actually won group A G2 Definitely didn't shit on SKT, SKT was the better team in most of their games. G2 was able to capitalize on big mistakes by SKT and win come from behind games.
: Wait you said zeal items are same price. But then said zeal items cost 200 more gold?
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeRework,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=TKltWgEG,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T03:38:55.807+0000) > > Wait you said zeal items are same price. But then said zeal items cost 200 more gold? {{item:3086}} is 200 more gold but gives 25% crit instead of 15% Full zeal items aka {{item:3087}} are the same price. All and all they're buffing crit itemization. Yas can actually hit 100% crit at 2200 gold on pbe.
: crit items are changing next season so he'll be nerfed that way. ( iirc the zeal items are getting more expensive )
> [{quoted}](name=Doopliss7,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=TKltWgEG,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-10T01:04:57.170+0000) > > crit items are changing next season so he'll be nerfed that way. ( iirc the zeal items are getting more expensive ) They're buffing crit items. The zeal items are the same price zeal cost 200 more gold but gives 10% more crit which is a net buff and builds out of cloak of agility instead of brawlers gloves and Cloak is just straight buffed from 20 to 25% crit at the same cost. But this is off topic
DalekZec (EUNE)
: What exactly is being written in the threads? Because if they are simply "nerf yasuo pls too op!" then it makes sense but it's legit constructive...then i don't know...
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=TKltWgEG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-10T00:04:52.168+0000) > > What exactly is being written in the threads? > Because if they are simply "nerf yasuo pls too op!" then it makes sense but it's legit constructive...then i don't know... They weren't just "Yas OP need nerf" The last one talked about crit passive and a few other things. They're literally just deleting everything that gets upvoted on the topic
Comentários de Rioters
: Okay what the fuck is up with this jungle exp?
> [{quoted}](name=uSfUpLarry,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q0d5bAwF,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-07T22:07:29.135+0000) > > Why don't junglers gain reduced exp from minions the way laners gain reduced exp from jungle monsters? Why are they allowed to sit right on top of my ward for such extended periods without being punished hard enough? You don't get reduced XP from jungle monsters. Because you people complained for the past 4 years straight that JG is an OP role, so they reduced JG exp to laughable levels outside of the catch up XP bonus. Now 90% of Junglers are roaming supports whose only value comes from ganking lanes and you still complain about the role, so they do literally the only thing they can do which is gut JG exp... which again will make Junglers more lane gank oriented.
: IKR, its almost as if the majority of the community didn't play TT due to it not counting for anything, and having no updates/balances. If they put HALF the effort into it as they are into TFT it would be an awesome mode with a-lot higher player base. The same can be said with Dominion before it was removed.
> [{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-11-07T15:12:58.854+0000) > > IKR, its almost as if the majority of the community didn't play TT due to it not counting for anything, and having no updates/balances. If they put HALF the effort into it as they are into TFT it would be an awesome mode with a-lot higher player base. > > The same can be said with Dominion before it was removed. For years, literally years the best way to get IP and XP was to play TT. TT was the best rewards, it counted for the MOST of anything. Nobody played it cause the mode sucks and nothing Riot can do will change that.
: I'm sad that TFT was the reason why Twisted Treeline is going away
You got this 100% backwards. TT got no attention because no one played it. It wasn't like a bunch of people played it and then stopped because Riot didn't care. It's nobody played in so Riot didn't care.
Done25 (NA)
: It's losing the ward clear passive and 11 lethality (21->10), so they're giving it something that isn't just raw damage. Edit: It's actually Edge of Night that's getting lowered to 10 lethality. Because it wasn't already shitty enough I guess???
> [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8kxu6la0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-06T14:55:33.513+0000) > > It's losing the ward clear passive and 11 lethality (21->10), so they're giving it something that isn't just raw damage. > > Edit: It's actually Edge of Night that's getting lowered to 10 lethality. Because it wasn't already shitty enough I guess??? Lethality items had set bonus on PBE which gavee them + lethality for the first and second items. Because of this they had their lethality on the item itself lowered. Riot already took away the set bonus and they likely just made a mistake with the numbers on PBE. I full expect all of them to go back to their original numbers.
: You're playing Kayn... why are you not ganking the fuck out of everyone with you busted ability to move through walls? It just sounds like your a terrible jungler.
> [{quoted}](name=Azurereaper,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ppcIwRoz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-06T08:08:16.184+0000) > > You're playing Kayn... why are you not ganking the fuck out of everyone with you busted ability to move through walls? > > It just sounds like your a terrible jungler. Kayn mostly a powerfarming jungler early game. Typical you just try to farm quickly and basically only gank lanes that are free. It's rather hard to gank most lanes preform if the opposing player has hands and a brain. With the way his passive works you generally try to powerfarm to 6 and warrior then gank the lane that will give you the form you want. It's not really until you get your form that you start looking to make plays. Or at least this is the way Karasmai explains it
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VKIGRmo7,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-11-06T03:40:31.486+0000) > > you know everyone can see your history right? lmao > Holy shit did i play 5 whole AD graves games this season damn 2% of my games, i'm a disgusting tryhard LUL Meanwhile in reality [https://imgur.com/gRfyHsN](https://imgur.com/gRfyHsN) I know Support Wukong AP support Cho AP support Shaco before the rework buffs Mid lane Nunu Full one shot Amumu {{item:3115}} Amumu Clearly i'm a metaslave trying really hard to get out of silver. Just too bad and hardstuck. 0 Chance i'm just a for fun player right?
iiGazeii (NA)
: Once the lanes break out, all bets are off. I won't take jungle camps in the laning phase, but once we're 20 minutes into the game, I still need to farm. If the lanes are shoved out, them I'm getting the gold I can reach safely, which is usually in the jungle. You're free to farm minions at that point, too, since you've likely finished your jungle item.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xhvAdkKf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-05T17:10:51.610+0000) > > Once the lanes break out, all bets are off. I won't take jungle camps in the laning phase, but once we're 20 minutes into the game, I still need to farm. If the lanes are shoved out, them I'm getting the gold I can reach safely, which is usually in the jungle. You're free to farm minions at that point, too, since you've likely finished your jungle item. The Jungler has an item that gives him more XP per camp though... since levels = stats. Since combat stats= gold. You're literally reducing the amount of gold your team gets. Not saying laners should never take JG farm, but this kinda attitude leads to taking Jungle farm when you really shouldn't be.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VKIGRmo7,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T15:58:08.860+0000) > > ah yes, classical troll stuff like we can see on your account graves, ... definitely not trying at all there buddy. Truly i'm trying to abuse AP graves support to climb. That shit is so OP
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VKIGRmo7,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T06:37:21.341+0000) > > this is what happens when I play jungle > Cool. But statistically speaking ADC MID and TOP mains all do worst when autofilled into the JG(obviously do to lack of understanding of how to play the role) JG and SUP mains do the worst on ADC when they auto filled (obviously cause of the lack of practice csing) Imagine basically one tricking the most braindead pubstomp jungler that's only use in the game is to allow autofilled junglers to not completely suck as an argument for why Jungle is an easy role.
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YK1RVQwp,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-11-04T19:02:18.510+0000) > > Actually, Gameplay+ was removed because it was completely dead and required consistent moderation, something that's hard for the volunteer team to do. I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but G+ was not dead in the traditional sense. We had tons of submissions right up to the end. The problems were that it wasn't fulfilling our needs (turns out higher-quality posts foster less discussion in proportion to views) and it required far too much labor to maintain. It just wasn't sustainable. >The number of serious submissions we received was always low, but in recent weeks it has dropped to a level that makes it difficult to justify putting in the work required to review and approve posts. The key word there is _serious_. Another issue we had was that some people thought it funny to submit garbage and junk up the review process.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YK1RVQwp,comment-id=0001000100000002,timestamp=2019-11-05T00:49:10.486+0000) > > I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but G+ was not dead in the traditional sense. You know telling a lie over and over again doesn't make it the truth? >turns out higher-quality posts foster less discussion in proportion to views Or maybe just maybe walls of text kissing ass and complaint posts about people favorite champs aren't "high" quality content and people realize arguing with people posting walls of text never gets anywhere
Eedat (NA)
: Account literally has 90% winrate and the onther one lost a single game. Show me one single example of an account that failed. A single one. Just one.
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YK1RVQwp,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-05T05:01:51.818+0000) > > Account literally has 90% winrate and the onther one lost a single game. Show me one single example of an account that failed. A single one. Just one. If you're so sure you're right why do you feel the need to lie?
Eedat (NA)
: What failed accounts? Find me one of them. One. I'll wait. This is exactly why I dont do these in depth responses on this board anymore. I can site all this information, published scientific papers, links, info, etc then nobody actually reads it and insists the "evidence" they pulled out of thin air with zero proof is valid. Or better yet like the other guy just arbitrarily decide they are now a world renown source on mathematics and computer learning so they can just make whatever claim they want out of thin air
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YK1RVQwp,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T03:16:09.449+0000) > > What failed accounts? Find me one of them. One. I'll wait. > > This is exactly why I dont do these in depth responses on this board anymore. I can site all this information, published scientific papers, links, info, etc then nobody actually reads it and insists the "evidence" they pulled out of thin air with zero proof is valid. Or better yet like the other guy just arbitrarily decide they are now a world renown source on mathematics and computer learning so they can just make whatever claim they want out of thin air [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LGOYa6lAg0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LGOYa6lAg0) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdP_gHh6YFA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdP_gHh6YFA) For reference he literally ditches accounts he loses placement games on.
: How the fuck are you supposed to play jungle without feeding and be actually able to enjoy the game?
The truth is most of us started playing the role in S6 when the role was actually OP as fuck. We got used to the role and enjoy the positive parts of the role like how little counterpicks actually mean and how you normally don't have to play "weak " side of the map. So even after being gutted for 3 years straight we don't wanna go back. Anyways 2 pieces of advice for you First never gank a losing lane... Well at least until you learn when you can gank for them. But for now don't try to help the feeder on your team, help the dude who is popping off stomp harder. Second Mute your top laner, somehow he will find a way to die as {{champion:17}} 1 v 1 vs {{champion:75}} at level 2 and blame you for it.
: Is it fair that if someone AFKs, everybody that is on the Losing team loses LP?
> [{quoted}](name= LeBrõnze James,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLLVFIYF,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-03T21:14:03.140+0000) > > Now my idea is to simply make it so That in the event of an AFK, the losing team only loses a 3 LP and doesn't lose any MMR (Like a dodge). Only the AFKer loses more LP and MMR. Elo aka your MMR in league is Zero Sum. Your suggestion isn't possible.
: Maybe stop chasing a Shaco then? Literally, he has to lead you into boxes and his only reliable ability (Shiv) functions as an execute, not reliable poke. He offers fuck all else except being a carrot when AP. Stop chasing the carrot without your sweeper.
> [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJgrioLW,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-04T11:11:03.651+0000) > > Maybe stop chasing a Shaco then? > > Literally, he has to lead you into boxes and his only reliable ability (Shiv) functions as an execute, not reliable poke. > > He offers fuck all else except being a carrot when AP. Stop chasing the carrot without your sweeper. This man speaks the truth
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=001b0000,timestamp=2019-11-03T03:59:35.793+0000) > > Nobody in here has said anything remotely close to that. Stop making up lies to play the victim card. It was indeed said, I believe it's been deleted.
> [{quoted}](name=CaliCoastReplay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=001b00000000,timestamp=2019-11-03T05:19:52.358+0000) > > It was indeed said, I believe it's been deleted. We can see when posts have been deleted. Only one person has a deleted comment in this thread. You're literally just making shit up. It's not possible for people plural to have said that stuff in this thread.
: It's obvious that one of the pieces of feedback we're getting here is that many people remain unhappy with the moderation program. I will only ask to remind people that we're human. We handle so much every day that most of the Boards never see, including really serious criminal hacks and threats and vicious racism - that's a big reason that our process of curating the *rest* of the material here can feel so harried and imperfect - but people still keep saying things like "Fire the mods! Dock their pay!" here, seemingly oblivious to the fact that we don't collect any pay and are unpaid volunteers. I'll be happy to start a conversation with those who are unhappy about how the moderation program can be improved - maybe on another thread, I'll talk to Ula about it.
> [{quoted}](name=CaliCoastReplay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2019-11-03T03:49:08.128+0000) > > - but people still keep saying things like "Fire the mods! Dock their pay!" here, seemingly oblivious to the fact that we don't collect any pay and are unpaid volunteers. Nobody in here has said anything remotely close to that. Stop making up lies to play the victim card.
: Hey, as long as blatant lying gets removed I'm happy. It just wasn't covered in the suggested rule update. I'm not expecting mods to fact-check every post. Just to verify when someone calls a post out on being bullshit and remove said post if it *is* bullshit.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-03T02:43:22.005+0000) > > Hey, as long as blatant lying gets removed I'm happy. > [{quoted}](name=CaliCoastReplay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-03T03:37:09.565+0000) > > I get it, Dusk - but I've also been one of the mods to handle a lot of the reports you've been filing lately, and I can't always agree that your definition of "bullshit" is always limited to objectively false information. There are times you report people just because you get in a fight with that person - that's not going to be any more actionable under the new policy than the old. > > I don't say this to get on your case; I think you also post a great deal of really good debate here! And I certainly agree with your right to ask Ula to include verifiably false information in the things that can be actively curated, if we are going to continue trying to make Gameplay an actively-curated area. So mods i see you responding to this post without um deleting it. It's really weird cause this is basically identical to the post in Discuss the boards in which the special name club said this about "naming and shaming" > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=1Qq7fEYo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-24T21:46:56.479+0000) > > Agreed. > > But when it becomes "You know that one certain someone we all know who..." and someone responds with "does this person also [specific individually identifying habit]" and you respond with "if the person you're thinking of also [second individually identifying habit]," then it is no longer open ended. > > That is what happened here, and why it was removed. Very odd and not at all inconsistent Clearly what we need is more rules when you can't enforce your current ones evenly.
: Except "Favorite number is purple" *is* nonsense. "Yasuo's Windwall isn't bullshit" is a completely valid stance. It's just one **YOU** disagree with.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=000100020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-03T01:14:52.952+0000) > > Except "Favorite number is purple" *is* nonsense. "Yasuo's Windwall isn't bullshit" is a completely valid stance. It's just one **YOU** disagree with. Nah it's just objectively bullshit. Anyone who disagrees is unwilling to accept objective reality, like refusing the fact Purple is not a number. Arguing with somebody on "if" Yasuo's Windwall is bullshit or is like arguing with the guy that wants purple to be a number. It's just a waste of time. Thusly making a detailed post on why Yasuo's Windwall is bullshit is just a waste of time, because it's already self evident.
: Rules against clickbait titles and yet these rules are going to be implemented without input anyway thus being a clickbait title. ::thinking:: Maybe some parts of the world might favor tossing infants into the deep end, but I am thinking the idea of censoring any disagreement on this practice is to be mocked and their human advocates of such a practice. And so I would openly have no respect at all heralds and moderators; doubtful to see them as humans of any thinking capacity, for these policies obviously lack common sense. I have little patience for people that advocate that the ladder needs more games ruined, after all. If I was asked in person whether the official league boards are good for discussing actual game play, I would say absolutely not. For they cannot even comprehend match quality on a community level. Ranked would dramatically improve if autofill junglers and LARPers that don't know basics did not exist there. I am with the challenger players on just flushing everything out we need to reset every account to 0 for the new season and let the previously diamond pile of boosted animals hang out to dry. Hardest reset.
> [{quoted}](name=Shovel Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-11-02T22:50:55.618+0000) > > Rules against clickbait titles and yet these rules are going to be implemented without input anyway thus being a clickbait title. ::thinking:: > It's only clickbait when the mods disagree with it. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Sukishoo (NA)
: He said QUALITY CONTENT, he didn't say in creating QUANTITY. There's a big difference there. GP goes have a lot more threads and whatnot but a lot of stuff that has been seen here is honestly not really that great most of the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=0014000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-02T23:09:19.087+0000) > > He said QUALITY CONTENT, he didn't say in creating QUANTITY. There's a big difference there. GP goes have a lot more threads and whatnot but a lot of stuff that has been seen here is honestly not really that great most of the time. Quality content like "Jungle is ruined" or "I've given it long enough: I don't understand the hate for Akali" 2 very obvious clickbait titles that literally broke the first rule of gameplay+ which was no clickbait titles
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2019-11-02T21:43:02.629+0000) > > Mods: Gameplay+ was a complete and total failure. Actually, in terms of generating quality content, G+ was a huge success. The problem was with sustainability. G+ required a TON of very active mods to go through the submissions and there was a high rate of burnout for that task.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2019-11-02T22:45:41.258+0000) > > Actually, in terms of generating quality content, G+ was a huge success. The problem was with sustainability. G+ required a TON of very active mods to go through the submissions and there was a high rate of burnout for that task. Why does everyone with a special tag insist on lying when their views are proven false. Gameplay+ was much less popular gameplay when both boards existed. It also led to much less discussion and ironically. Much less thoughtful discussion. Like hello look at this [https://web.archive.org/web/20181128234710/https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-plus](https://web.archive.org/web/20181128234710/https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-plus) Hello half the posts on the front page of "hot" had 0 responses the other half of posts were just people being contrarian for the sake of it.
Ulanopo (NA)
: Proposed Rules Update to Gameplay Sub-Board (Feedback Wanted)
Mods: Gameplay+ was a complete and total failure. Everyone just continued to use gameplay over it anyway. Mods a few months later: They problem with Gameplay+ was that gameplay still existed, why don't we just change the rules of gameplay to those of the old gameplay+ then people will be forced to play by our failed bias rules.
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-11-02T15:04:21.726+0000) > > 1. People generally only do detailed posts about champs they care a lot about. Meaning the only voices you ever hear are the most biased ones Why would we want to hear from people who don't care? > 2. Most of the gameplay regulars that use "stats" to back up their arguments just cherry pick whatever OCE plat+ only the first 3 days of 2 patches ago that suits their narrative the best. That would be something we would hope the community would report and downvote. If the content isn't helpful, it shouldn't have a prominent place on the board - and maybe no place at all. > 3. Yasuo's windwall is in FACT bullshit, nothing else needs to be said. That's my opinion and i want it to be heard. Anyone that doesn't agree is gonna "rebut" with some nonsensical counter "argument" that i don't give shit 2 shits about because it's not even loosely based in reality and i don't care to "debate" the obvious troll. If someone's obviously trolling, then that should be reported/downvoted. Other than that, have you considered the notion that Gameplay should be for discussion, while other venues (GD and RANT) are better for soapboxing? No one's forcing you to post in Gameplay. No one's forcing you to read Gameplay. If the content in other sub-boards is more to your liking, you should frequent them more. That's the whole point of having sub-boards in the first place. We want people to be able to find and respond to the content that interests them most.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-02T15:18:15.991+0000) > > Why would we want to hear from people who don't care? Who the fuck says they don't care? WTF are you talking about. Caring and not caring isn't binary. >That would be something we would hope the community would report and downvote. If the content isn't helpful, it shouldn't have a prominent place on the board - and maybe no place at all. People don't even read half the comments they downvote. >No one's forcing you to post in Gameplay. No one's forcing you to read Gameplay. But you're FORCING people to cater to your narrow view of what is "quality" content. You're trying to set up extremely narrow views of what is acceptable content.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-11-02T15:04:21.726+0000) > > 3. Yasuo's windwall is in FACT bullshit, nothing else needs to be said. That's my opinion and i want it to be heard. Anyone that doesn't agree is gonna "rebut" with some nonsensical counter "argument" that i don't give shit 2 shits about because it's not even loosely based in reality and i don't care to "debate" the obvious troll. If you're not here to even entertain a viewpoint that's not your own, why are you posting in a forum? Why even comment anywhere on the internet? At that point, just find a soundproofed room, put up a mirror, and talk at it. Because that's pretty clearly all you'll accept.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=0001000200000001,timestamp=2019-11-02T15:31:09.889+0000) > > If you're not here to even entertain a viewpoint that's not your own, why are you posting in a forum? Why even comment anywhere on the internet? > > At that point, just find a soundproofed room, put up a mirror, and talk at it. Because that's pretty clearly all you'll accept. I'm willing to entertain other viewpoints I'm not willing to beat a dead horse when someone says something that is factually wrong I'm willing to hear why you think Pulled Pork tastes better then Chicken wings. I'm not interested in hearing about how your **favorite number** is the **color** purple. Moreover even if i didn't care what others thought, i would still view posting and commenting as important so Riot can hear what i thought
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-02T14:01:25.837+0000) > > The gameplay moderation team already is way to heavy handed and biased. We don't need rules to allow them to go even more extreme. Can you explain why you feel that way? What was removed that you feel should have been left? What guidelines would you propose for things that should be removed?
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-11-02T14:18:14.480+0000) > > Can you explain why you feel that way? What was removed that you feel should have been left? What guidelines would you propose for things that should be removed? There is a ton of problems that come with asking for "quality" thought out content 1. People generally only do detailed posts about champs they care a lot about. Meaning the only voices you ever hear are the most biased ones 2. Most of the gameplay regulars that use "stats" to back up their arguments just cherry pick whatever OCE plat+ only the first 3 days of 2 patches ago that suits their narrative the best. 3. Yasuo's windwall is in FACT bullshit, nothing else needs to be said. That's my opinion and i want it to be heard. Anyone that doesn't agree is gonna "rebut" with some nonsensical counter "argument" that i don't give shit 2 shits about because it's not even loosely based in reality and i don't care to "debate" the obvious troll. All in all you end up silencing a whole bunch of people for not having enough "detail" or the "correct tone" and instead you cater to a bunch of whinny Hashinshin wannabes.
Ulanopo (NA)
: Proposed Rules Update to Gameplay Sub-Board (Feedback Wanted)
The gameplay moderation team already is way to heavy handed and biased. We don't need rules to allow them to go even more extreme.
LankPants (OCE)
: You don't strictly speaking need to outlevel someone to outscale them, nor do you need to outscale them to have an impact on the game via scaling. A good example of where you're using scaling but not attempting to actually outscale are lv 6 junglers. This is huge for them as they hit level 6 or very close to it 30 seconds earlier. If my maths is correct they hit 6 off of the exact same number of camps, a small invade and 2 clears or 2 scuttles and 2 clears gets them 6 on both live and in the preseason changes. So for Nocturne, Warwick ect. these are just straight buffs. That's before mentioning a lot of hard farmers scale off of items. Master Yi is a great example who mostly just wants to farm for two items. Shyvana just wants items and maybe level 11. For these champs and others like them these are great changes, they probably won't make them the best choice in high elo, but they make them better. There is nuance here. These changes make the current swath of meta hyper-gank junglers worse and non-meta farming junglers better. It probably doesn't close the gap between them, I don't think the changes go far enough, but they are changes in the right direction.
> [{quoted}](name=LankPants,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2u4yBt2y,comment-id=00030000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-02T07:19:43.952+0000) > > You don't strictly speaking need to outlevel someone to outscale them, nor do you need to outscale them to have an impact on the game via scaling. Laners also get more gold and better scaling first items. > .... are lv 6 junglers..... So for Nocturne, **Warwick ect**. these are just straight buffs. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
LankPants (OCE)
: And the fact that they come up quicker means that junglers have more potential gold and exp if they chose to hard farm rather than gank and as such are less likely to get auto outscaled. The reason this playstyle is so rare right now is because the rewards are just non-existant. Reducing camp spawns by 30 seconds increases the rewards you can get by farming more and therefore makes it a more viable option. To be fair though, two minutes is still too long of a respawn for jungle camps. 2:30 was just absurd and a mistake of a change. They should really go back to the 1:40 area.
> [{quoted}](name=LankPants,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2u4yBt2y,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-11-02T04:11:45.891+0000) > > And the fact that they come up quicker means that junglers have more potential gold and exp if they chose to hard farm rather than gank and as such are less likely to get auto outscaled. The reason this playstyle is so rare right now is because the rewards are just non-existant. Reducing camp spawns by 30 seconds increases the rewards you can get by farming more and therefore makes it a more viable option. To be fair though, two minutes is still too long of a respawn for jungle camps. 2:30 was just absurd and a mistake of a change. They should really go back to the 1:40 area. No you still get auto outscaled. You can't outlevel your solo laners without taking lane farm and/or them playing aram. You can make the wrong choice to power farm and making that wrong choice is punished less, but it's still not something pros or high elo junglers will be doing because it's the wrong choice.
: Did you not read the notes? They decreased the camp gold and exp by 5% but decreased the camp spawn timers from 2:30 to 2:00 which is an overall 12% increase if you are optimally farming. You can also get level 3 from either side now with gromp being boosted in exp and krugs being reduced. I expect my boy Graves to be meta again :)
> [{quoted}](name=LightswornLance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2u4yBt2y,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-31T21:18:33.810+0000) > > Did you not read the notes? They decreased the camp gold and exp by 5% but decreased the camp spawn timers from 2:30 to 2:00 which is an overall 12% increase if you are optimally farming. You can also get level 3 from either side now with gromp being boosted in exp and krugs being reduced. I expect my boy Graves to be meta again :) This is wrong though. It's just a 5% exp nerf if you're optimally farming. Basically the only Jungler in the game that ever full clears multiple rotations is Yi. The Idea that junglers aren't killing camps because they have none to do is wood 4 tier understanding of the JG. Junglers aren't clearing camps because Junglers get auto outscaled and have the most impact by ganking a lot instead of clearing camps. It doesn't matter if i have ALL my camps up if just spam ganking is more valuable then killing them. The camp spawn reduction is ironically just a buff to laners that are good at stealing camps like Yas and Talon.
: I mean, they could very easily take a large portion of her ult damage away and give it to her other abilities. reducing her AoE damage and buffing her singe target damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HZbEEIRZ,comment-id=000500000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-31T02:50:37.858+0000) > > I mean, they could very easily take a large portion of her ult damage away and give it to her other abilities. reducing her AoE damage and buffing her singe target damage. No you would need to take away the CC and engage portions of her kit. Which in effect is a rework not a simple numbers change.
: Senna ult =/= global Lux ult
> [{quoted}](name=ZackTheWaffleMan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLi3k5En,comment-id=00000005,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:34:00.895+0000) > > Senna ult =/= global Lux ult Yeah Senna's utli is better then global lux ulti
: > [{quoted}](name=Sageace,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLi3k5En,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-30T03:01:09.406+0000) > > Yeah, this is LITERALLY the Lux internal working during her design... > > That was canceled... > > Because it was very hard to "balance" > > So Riot decides to give this "nightmare" _**those VERY elements to her kit ANYWAYS, despite this VERY past experience.**_ To be fair, given how the game is today how is it much different than a lot of other nonsense we see? There's perpetually untargetable supports, ult stealers, infinite use mobility, and a lot of other nonsense in the game. The beta Lux was released in a time where the most mobile champions were Kassadin (Before Kassawin state), Ezreal, and Corki. Most characters had a single jump and if you had multiple there was a massive delay. Having a whole team stealthed is way more broken in a state where your characters don't have effective escapes. Something like Senna E being used as an initiation seems like it'd be easily stopped by something like a Xayah R, Gragas R, Sejuani R, Ahri R, or any regular dash. Given how Riot has to backpedal on mechanics a lot and they're just stuffing all kinds of things into the kit (The opportunity cost of infinite scaling, global range, and AoE stealth should be really high, to the point where thats not very functional as a support), there's a good chance she's OP and needs nerfed. So its valid to criticize. But I think any of these abilities in a vacuum aren't OP ideas but Riot is going to have to figure out what kind of champion Senna is and start making cuts.
> [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLi3k5En,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-30T06:57:18.486+0000) > > To be fair, given how the game is today how is it much different than a lot of other nonsense we see? There's perpetually untargetable supports, ult stealers, infinite use mobility, and a lot of other nonsense in the game. > > The beta Lux was released in a time where the most mobile champions were Kassadin (Before Kassawin state), Ezreal, and Corki. Most characters had a single jump and if you had multiple there was a massive delay. Having a whole team stealthed is way more broken in a state where your characters don't have effective escapes. Something like Senna E being used as an initiation seems like it'd be easily stopped by something like a Xayah R, Gragas R, Sejuani R, Ahri R, or any regular dash. > > Given how Riot has to backpedal on mechanics a lot and they're just stuffing all kinds of things into the kit (The opportunity cost of infinite scaling, global range, and AoE stealth should be really high, to the point where thats not very functional as a support), there's a good chance she's OP and needs nerfed. So its valid to criticize. But I think any of these abilities in a vacuum aren't OP ideas but Riot is going to have to figure out what kind of champion Senna is and start making cuts. Disagree. I'm 100% confident that having more mobile champs makes her stealth more powerful. She can literally hug walls and champs like Riven can wall hop from fog of war into Senna E and be literally unseen doing so is really really busted.
: Did I say balanced? I said "balance-able" in regard to her KIT MECHANICS being balance-able with simple number tweaks rather than changes in the mechanics. Please read and comprehend.
> [{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HZbEEIRZ,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-31T00:24:24.631+0000) > > Did I say balanced? I said "balance-able" in regard to her KIT MECHANICS being balance-able with simple number tweaks rather than changes in the mechanics. > > Please read and comprehend. Her kit can't be balanced. If she has enough damage to be an assassin she just default the best assassin, because she also has engage and a teamfight ulti. If she doesn't have enough damage to be an assassin then she becomes a champ with shitty engage tools that can't lane.
AIQ (NA)
: I can see that. It's sad really that people can't play basic scenarios in their heads with certain champions. Like seriously. {{champion:134}}: Rammus bot is coming I need help! {{champion:33}}: Okay {{champion:134}}: Rammus she shrouded it's her and Lucian, just keep rolling Lucians the fed one {{champion:33}}: Okay {{champion:134}}: The Wraith is Lucian. {{champion:33}}: Okay {{champion:134}}: Nice Q taunt now I can one shot him. {{champion:33}}: Okay {{champion:134}}: GJ Rammus {{champion:33}}: :)
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HZbEEIRZ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-30T13:56:52.595+0000) > > I can see that. It's sad really that people can't play basic scenarios in their heads with certain champions. Like seriously. > > {{champion:134}}: Rammus bot is coming I need help! > {{champion:33}}: Okay > {{champion:134}}: Rammus she shrouded it's her and Lucian, just keep rolling Lucians the fed one > {{champion:33}}: Okay > {{champion:134}}: The Wraith is Lucian. Rammus gets taunted by the invisible Shen ulti and gets 100% to zero while Syndra is out of range and can't catch up to the play since she doesn't have 20% move speed for no reason in her kit.
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