ZapPow (NA)
: I receive Chat Ban for this????
I come to have fun and play a nice game nor do I come to argue. But you have groups of friends who go from game to game harassing people and throwing games.. First one starts, then the next, then the next. Or just when you are about to win a game, one goes afk the and rest start intentionally feeding enemy. Riot seems to have only one thing they can enforce. CHAT. And what people do is have 3, 4 and 5 accounts and just play another one. I don't know the answer to that but I won't put money in the game when Riot can just ban me and keep my money
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: Can someone from Riot please explain something to me?
I still don't get this one thing. Polite in fighting game when you are trying to kill your opponents champion? How realistic is that?
: The Automated Punishment System - How it Works
Well, I like to look at this from another angle. First of all it's a fighting game. You are not playing tiddlywinks. The object is to kill the other team members as many times as you can to win the game. When you see a fight on the street, there is a lot of arguing usually to go along with the fight. That is natural not toxic. I am not talking about the people that make sexual, race etc. comments. I am talking about arguing over the game play. They will happen no matter what riot does and they know it. That I believe, BELIEVE, is the only thing Riot can really control. Chat. The cannot control AFK Junglers who spend 95% of the game farming and then run in for a kill steal. They cannot control intentional feeding unless they self identify or a certain number of players report that and most people don't care, particularly if they have won the game. They just move on to the next game. They can address chat. That's all if you think about it.. But that is a double edged sword of course. As long as people can just start a new account the really toxic players just start over and create the same mischief. But even more questionable is the fact that it actually helps Riots statistics. 1 player suddenly becomes 5 in terms of the starts if they have that many accounts so the true stats I believe are skewed. In addition, I BELIEVE, no facts to back it up, just thinking, that it also helps riots bottom like because most people once they have the Champions they want and the skins don't spend another dime in the game. Why should they? To get the newest skin? Maybe, but that does not seem logical. Most people are pretty tight with their money and don't want to feed a "free" game with endless buys. But, if you ban them, they have to start over and spend the coins to get the same stuff again they already had. Not saying that Riot would do that with intent. But that would be a benefit for them. True trolls never spend a dime in the game. ZERO, It's all supposition, but just ask yourself. How many accounts do you have???
: When I am jungling, and every lane needs my help
Jungling can be the worst part of this game and many times it is. You get non-communicative stubborn folks that who spend almost the entire game. Or they stand on base no moving for a minute or 2 into game, then scream Leash leash, ok no leash no gank. But that was why you was standing on base till after game already started. They have too much power in the game and can make it or ruin experience.
: Player threatening to come to my house and kill me? Says he as my Ip.
Well I am from a certain way of life most don't live and I can tell you this. If someone warns you they are coming to do something 99 out of 100 they are doing nothing but blowing hot air. The really scary people don't tell you anything, they just show up. The bottom feeders and wise guy kids try to get a rise out of people I'm always careful abut I would not worry about this at all.
Emria (NA)
: Hacked, Suspended, now can't partake in Hextech Crafting
Well this is one area I have to take riots side. When I have contacted support about problems they have been very helpful to me and responded with a live person. Not always the answer I want but sometimes it was. Not once did they fail to respond.
: Blocked from Hextech Rewards... Behavior Restrictions?
Well, I try not to get into that toxic call and response, but when you have your 6 game in a row with one of the same troll players who intentionally ruin games, call you all kinds of filth, talk about your mama, going afk then coming back with 5 mins left in the game, intentionally feed etc, it can be frustrating. Yes you can mute, but in the heat of the game with some running garbage at you nonstop you can forget. The only way riot can fix this is by hiring monitors. People who will call a person out immediately and on the spot with the warning and then immediate suspension if it happens again. Then the toxic behavior would dramatically decrease. But I truly think riot fears if the toxic behavior went away. They figure there would be a big drop in numbers because a lot of young people like the drama and the cursing etc. That is my two cents...
Erdrik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RonaldOutlaw,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q3RTkFGE,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-09T19:28:43.184+0000) > > Understood. But the problem with "experts" can be that they believe that they never make mistakes and are often afraid to take changes and try new things. Incorrect. That is a stigma associated with experts, due to _**some**_ experts acting that way. _**Anyone**_ is capable of believing they never make mistakes, regardless of their status as experts. >That is what an engineer is good at if you get my drift. Experts are wrong all the time. Wall Street experts go broke every day. That doesn't revoke their status as experts, or make their input less valuable. A failed expert still has access to more knowledge and experience than you. > ... Like how would a player be complaining to a monitor if they are already banned? !!! Wait are you actually suggesting the offender is **immediately** ejected from the match when the monitor passes judgement?!? >My person belief is that the majority of people who would object to this kind of a system are the one's who think they a really good nice people but go around doing passive aggressive behaviors and aggressive behaviors in games. "If you don't like my idea, then you are a part of the problem." This is the very "Self Perceived Perfection" problem you are claiming experts suffer from. Don't make assumptions about other people, just because they don't agree with you. > ... If it did not work, they could always go back to what they are doing now. That's how new ideas work. No, what you are describing is "Development of Infrastructure". Idea's are purely headspace. To test if an idea works requires spending time and money to actualy build the idea. Anything short of that is just theory crafting. * Pay to build the infrastructure the new employees will work in. * Pay to build the infrastructure the new employees will use to do their jobs. * Pay to build the infrastructure necessary to track whether or not all this effort is even working. * Pay to train the new employees. * Pay the employees once they are trained. * Spend a sufficient amount of time testing to ensure the data gathered is accurate enough to justify the cost of doing all this in the first place. (which means paying for everything above this point some more for the duration of the testing) * All while paying to maintain the system they have already, so they can go back to it if this new one fails.
You are assuming a lot of things about Riot THAT unless you are an employee makes it hard to take at face value. How do you know what infrastructure Riot has? How do you know what would they would have to build? Where are you getting your expert information about what goes on behind the scenes at Riot? Just for perspective, have you ever had action taken against you by riot? You know chat bans etc?
: > [{quoted}](name=RonaldOutlaw,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q3RTkFGE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-04-09T16:57:06.507+0000) > > Good point. But maybe a single slip up that involves nonstop toxic behavior the whole game should be immediately punished with a 5 to 7 day ban. You start hitting people with those and the word will get out. I am not expert but I believe the behavior would change in many players very quickly if they know someone may be watching and they will possibly be suspended for several days because of it. > > The one's who are really toxic, would become worse of course with a new email account. But then they would be easier to detect with reports by players for extreme toxic rage behavior....I think... If they were going to do that they wouldn't need a person - the automated system could handle it. You're talking more about a policy change than an enforcement change.
Well I would leave that up to riot but as great as automation is good for mass production etc, nothing beats a human being. At least so far in terms of interpretation of behavior that a machine system working on simple algorithms cannot fathom.
Erdrik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RonaldOutlaw,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q3RTkFGE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-04-09T16:57:06.507+0000) > > ... I am not expert but I believe ... Admitting to not being an expert, shows the kind of humility and wisdom that suggests you are willing to accept the words of those who are experts. [Like maybe someone with a _**PhD in Cognitive Neuroscience**_ and a _**Master's degree in Cognitive Psychology**_](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jeffrey_'Lyte'_Lin)?
Understood. But the problem with "experts" can be that they believe that they never make mistakes and are often afraid to take changes and try new things. That is what an engineer is good at if you get my drift. Experts are wrong all the time. Wall Street experts go broke every day. Since I am not an "expert" I can see things from different perspectives. Like how would a player be complaining to a monitor if they are already banned? My person belief is that the majority of people who would object to this kind of a system are the one's who think they a really good nice people but go around doing passive aggressive behaviors and aggressive behaviors in games. You talk of an increase in raging etc, but that is already occurring. If it did not work, they could always go back to what they are doing now. That's how new ideas work.
Sarutobi (NA)
: It's good, but do you honestly think they can hire just a "couple" people to do this? Heck I'm sure they already have something like this implemented. It would be physically impossible to track every single match being played, heck I doubt even a group of 10 people could track half the games being played in a day. But it would be a nice help, because at the very least they could track down very serious problems in the game and catch it in and take actions right then and there! But again this would take too much man power. I would say minimal 50-100 people working on this which I doubt Riot has the funds to do unless they take some serious budget cuts!
I don't know Riots financial situation, lol, but I don't think it would take as many as you think. Generally people play to have fun. It is a small minority of players for various reasons who start problems, just like in real life. Good advertisement of what you are doing goes a long way. So does say announcing in game, player XXXX is being suspended for toxic behavior. Oh boy I believe behavior would change very quickly. It could also work with intentional feeders etc, who despite clever they think they are, I believe Riot is even more clever if they wanted to be...
: Although a good theory there are too many games to monitor and they already have the policy that a single slip-up isn't punishable. So for each toxic person they would have to ensure they're monitoring at least 3+ games. That's anywhere from 60 minutes to 90+ minutes to get a single punishment out. Doesn't make for a wise expenditure of revenue.
Good point. But maybe a single slip up that involves nonstop toxic behavior the whole game should be immediately punished with a 5 to 7 day ban. You start hitting people with those and the word will get out. I am not expert but I believe the behavior would change in many players very quickly if they know someone may be watching and they will possibly be suspended for several days because of it. The one's who are really toxic, would become worse of course with a new email account. But then they would be easier to detect with reports by players for extreme toxic rage behavior....I think...
Erdrik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sarutobi,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q3RTkFGE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-09T16:18:51.169+0000) > > ... heck I doubt even a group of 10 people could track half the games being played in a day. Dude, 10 couldn't track 1/10th of the games being played in a day. We're talking about a player base in the _**multiple tens of millions**_. And he wants those monitors to track the games _live_. {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
I get your point. But you would not have to monitor every game. Why doesn't the average person commit crimes even when desperate? Because of the possibility of getting caught. More than likely they would not get caught but the possibility with the associated consequences keeps them honest despite the desperation. Immediate and appropriate action is the best deterrent in the world. They may have multiple tens of millions playing but I find myself playing with the same people over and over. Many whom I have reported and blocked for extremely toxic verbal abuse and/or game play I find myself on the same team again.
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