: So according to your own Metrics Pyke should of gotten nerfed by now Riot
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6PzRiGI2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-19T09:05:33.903+0000) > > 12% pick rate, 65% ban rate. You are literally nerfing champions for less. ~~Nerfing~~ Gutting Pyke? Not even touched.
: 12% pickrate isn't that high. Who exactly are you comparing that to? And correct me if I'm wrong, but pickrates/banrates always go up after buffs anyway, so saying that "his pickrate/banrate is higher because he got buffed and is overtuned now and needs nerfs" is calling it a bit too soon. It will likely either go back down or remain the same after the initial hype/fear goes away. And again, is he overtuned because of the buffs or overtuned because of the items he's building? Because item/rune synergy has always been his biggest problem, and he spiked after we started abusing multiple IEs/crit and damage, just like he did with Rageblade and Lethality. I don't think the buffs are playing as big of a role as you think they are in his popularity. And who are you defining as "mains?" Because we(the club I was in) define them as being mastery 7, 500k+ mastery points, with 10k mastery points a month, with the true mains/masters being 1 million+ mastery.
Okay you are just biased, there is no point in arguing with you. Your champion could have an 80% WinRate and you would still think that it is completely fine.
: State of the game
Welcome to League of WinTraders! Mostly seen after D4+ but can even be seen in Plat sometimes. You thought they were inting? Wrong, they are WinTrading. They simulate that they want to win, but they die to enemy team each time they can and if your team is doing better, they will straight int while trying to look tilted so that nobody thinks they are WinTrading. And you know whats best? Riot doesn't care about inters but only about trashtalkers, so as long as they simulate that they are inting, they can get away with it.
Xphineas (NA)
: This will get abused. People will DC when a game seems hopeless, boosters will afk in lost games, and wintrading. While, sure, this is a fine idea, it WILL get abused HEAVILY.
Unless the Afk looses 2x normal amount of LP lost.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Ivern is 51% winrate. I guess he's broken
Why didn't you mention his Pickrate genius boy? 0.74% PickRate. I recommend that next time you try to cherry pick at least give me completed statistics. Don't make yourself look ridiculous comparing one champion with 51% WinRate and 10% PickRate to one with 51% WR and 0.74% PlayRate. And yes, your champion is currently OP and your intentions to show otherwise all have ended the same way: Failure.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: i guess every zed player is just biased then. We don't know shit about the champion we main
Your knowledge of the champion won't help you change the facts which are that he has 51% WinRate with 10% Pickrate. How do you explain that? "But he is a weak champion..."
Papa Stalin (EUNE)
: The Riot Games Balance team does not care about you or your feedback.
Remember when they said that they would change Kayn but they will still keep him viable for top? Just to appear one week after and say: "You know, we actually just want him to be a jungler." Why should we belief anything that Riot says nowadays? Just don't expect anything but the worst from them. That way, they can't dissapoint you.
: Because there's more to what he said than X champion is faceroll. He actually did say that Aatrox needs skill though. You're actively bringing up his most played champions, and trying to use those as a way to discredit why his opinion doesn't matter, which is what I take issue with. You're actively trying to say that "cuz you think Aatrox faceroll, then i bet you think your champions are SO SKILLFUL and should be held to the same standard" which is not at all what he was saying, you just chose to bring it up to discredit him. And I really don't think you do, but okay hah. Nice excuse to leave the conversation trying to make me look like I'm the biased one but alright, you do you. Except when you look at Assassin's as a whole, that's entirely what they do. Look at Zed, Ekko, Leblanc, Talon as long as their is a wall nearby, Kayn, all of them have ways to instantly rectify a mistake in positioning or timing. If you catch a Pyke, just like if you caught any assassin, they're going to use their mobility to get away. Honestly, I can't take you seriously when you keep going into things like "Every type of mistakes" because that's so unspecific, and requires me to argue against this ideal situation in your own head, that I'm not privy to. So yeah, maybe it's best we end the topic.
Saying that Aatrox is a faceroll champion and suggesting that he needs skill are two opposited thing. So either he is ramdomly throwing nonsense or you are just confused yourself. I am not discreditting his argument, he discreddit himself since he called Aatrox a faceroll champion. And somehow immediately you showed up trying to defend him for some weird reason writing long posts about the same exact thing on how I was attacking him as if the longer the comment, the stronger. Let's also not forget how you focused on Pyke not being a faceroll champion. You didn't care at all about the others that I mentioned. Not saying that you are biased or anything, I just find this fact interesting. Normal assasins will have a mobility tool but once they use it, that's it, you can get them if you get near them. Pyke? Has Mov Speed Steroid + Dash with stun + Slow and low Cooldowns. And I wanted to leave the conversation because your reason for starting that discussion was totally irrelevant. I waited to see if you had a clearer point, but you just kept repeating yourself in meaningless things. And I also knew that writing all of this will be meaningless because your mind is already set since your first comment. I may be unspecific when I know that being more specific about facts won't change anything in the conversation. This is just one more case.
: will aatrox get buffed in 9.19
I think we are going to have ccharles next patch.
: > So, calling Pyke who can kill you while missing his abilities faceroll is wrong? Then, why does he have such a outstanding WinRate. Why are you even trying to defend that champion with his current statistics? Just because a champion has a high winrate doesn't mean they're faceroll. It means that they're strong, but that does not mean that they don't require skill. Every champion requires skill, just in different places, be it in their kit, or in their macro. Frankly I'm tired of people just facelessly whining that shit's faceroll, it's like blindly calling something edgy! It lacks any actual anaylsis, and just serves to right off what you don't like, and yourselves as superior for playing the "Harder" Champion. No, Pyke can't kill you while missing everything unless he's so fucking fed, that he's probably outplayed your entire team at that point 5 times over. The fact that you're saying such hyperbole doesn't give you any credence towards me believing anything you have to say. I can't tell you about an Aatrox that can engage or disengage as easily as Pyke, because **Engaging and disengaging** are Juggernauts weaknesses, just like how **entering and exiting fights** are Assassins strengths. Of course it's easier for them to do that, but it's not easier for them to take hits and stay inside a fight, unlike Aatrox with his tankier build and self sustain. Stop complaining that someone whose meant to do something easier is doing something easier than your champion. Stop whining that champions are faceroll, you're just killing your own arguments with hyperbole. Different Skill is required for different champions in different aspects of the game. The reason they look easy, is because they're probably good at the character, like how you feel against a Yi who you stomp vs a Yi who gets fed and carries the game.
How come you immediately defend Pyke when is called faceroll? Yet somehow you kept silent about Aatrox being called the same when Aatrox is way harder to play than Pyke. Wait, I understand now your sudden and mad reaction when I mentioned Pyke. Now that I do, I have nothing else to talk with you. Edit: And you are wrong about assasins. Assasins aren't suppose to make everytype of mistakes mispositioning and misplaying but still being able to freely escape alive. It is this balance team that turned assasins that way and Pyke is the WORST Case.
: "No, it's only champions I don't like that are the faceroll champions!" I don't like them either, but calling them faceroll is just bias, pure and simple.
So, calling Pyke who can kill you while missing his abilities faceroll is wrong? Then, why does he have such an outstanding WinRate. Why are you even trying to defend that champion with his current statistics? At least Aatrox has to hit the sweetspots to kill you and do a full combo. Also, tell me about an Aatrox that can engage and disengage as Pyke does forgiving everytype of mistake or misposition. I don't see a relation in these two champions. I really don't.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QRy4EbIN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-11T20:27:41.002+0000) > > You legit only need to look at the nerfs, and understand how shit his early was before this. The only champ he might barely be able to beat is Kayle, but he probably would get poked out to death once she gets 6. https://imgur.com/a/i41PJGi We clearly have to gut these guys as well, look at how broken they are 5 hours after a patch and they weren't even buffed What was riot thinking!
When patch changes arrive, some champions lose the power to counter others. These ones, therefore, become stronger. Also, item changes arriving with a new patch may cause this too. Soo... What is your point?
Accenix (NA)
: Woah a champ that takes skill has a low winrate? Shocker. People are just sad they cant faceroll on him anymore
Your highest played champions are Qiyana, Akali, Pyke and Yuumi. It is weird that you abuse broken champions and faceroll everytime, yet you somehow are so shameless to complain about faceroll champions. Pyke has past 50% WinRate and one of the highest PickRates. Shouldn't he, by your logic, be sitting at 42% WinRate? The amount of Hypocrisy here is past god level. Edit: 51% WinRate with 16.1% PickRate. No nerfs whatsoever.
: 9.18 Aatrox Build Order
I have the best build order for him: {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}{{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}{{item:3070}}{{item:3070}}
: Akali is now utter garbage
You mean she is unplayable because she is not able to E R1 R2 and move 2 screens away from you in seconds? She is already so broken by how much mobility she has. She used to lose or win matchups depending on how good Akali players were; enemy players were irrelevants due to how much versatile Akali was. Now, Riot finally added a weakness to Akali, but then all her playerbase goes crazy saying: "why can't a kill whoever I want and freely escape whenever I want like I used to do? Unplayable."
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dKx9YNNr,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T06:26:41.242+0000) > > With soft CC I mean that it is not as powerful even if it is a knockup due to barely lasting 0.25s, you don't have to take everything so literal. > > You don't have to escape from him, if you engage him into melee range you can perfectly kill him. That is why champs like Jax, Fiora, Riven, Kled, Tryndamere, and others can easily kill him if they all-in him. > > His sustain ensures him to stay in lane longer. Resources will force him to abandon lane faster which will actually counter his playstyle of a sustained champion and make him an easily zoned champion. > > In late game? A god of teamfights? I am done here. > > I thought you knew the champion, > I was wrong. It's insanely powerful, and you can't use the term soft cc that way, it's either an intentional lie, or intentionally misleading. And his knockups are still insanely powerful when taken in the context of his kit and tenacity does nothing to help against them.
He is only powerful teamfights if he is feed, if not he becomes one of the worst champions to have in a teamfight for how vulnerable he is without his revive and how long his combo takes to execute. His CC is completely avoidable. Actually is funny because it is harder for the Aatrox player to CC the opponents than for the opponent to avoid the so called Hard CC which barely lasts 0.25s. You even have an 800g item which usually wins you the lane against Aatrox, people are just so focused on building damage that they refuse to build this item. Therefore, when they press all their keys and don't kill the Aatrox because he healed with his passive, they get mad and complain about Aatrox. Also, don't forget how people walk straight forward and complain about dying after eating all of Aatrox's damage or when they stay AAing him in one place and expect Aatrox to do nothing about it. Go play against bots then. The fact that you don't know how to play against Aatrox, doesn't mean that Aatrox is too strong. He has one of the worst late games. He specifically received nerfs to be weak in late game and he is. Of course, don't expect a 10/0 champion to not be useful, common logic. He also has clear champions that counter him at the point of making him trash at all stages of the game. You don't like them? Not my problem. What is the next complaint going to be? Riot, why didn't you buff my IQ?
iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dKx9YNNr,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T05:32:46.364+0000) > > Actually is really bad. What does Aatrox have late game apart from gaveclear? And nerf him even further? He was guarranted at least a 45% WinRate with the 25% healing on minions nerf. Another nerf is Riot basically killing any hopes of someone wanting to use Aatrox in Worlds even after the nerfs. His CC is hard. It's a mini-stun, interrupting attacks, abilities, and movement. Soft CC is things like slows that don't stop you, just inhibit you. His gap close combined with his range makes him very difficult for most top laners to escape from and still gives him a good engage onto teamfights. Resources aren't just a restriction of cooldowns, they're a sustain restriction. Without resources, he never needs to back for mana, only health and buys, and previously, he didn't need to back for health, either. His role isn't to strictly to have waveclear and splitpush. He's a god at teamfighting, able to do huge amounts of AoE damage and CC while sustaining through incoming damage. Taking away his waveclear makes him less powerful in pro play without really hurting solo queue, where map pressure really isn't as important.
With soft CC I mean that it is not as powerful even if it is a knockup due to barely lasting 0.25s, you don't have to take everything so literal. You don't have to escape from him, if you engage him into melee range you can perfectly kill him. That is why champs like Jax, Fiora, Riven, Kled, Tryndamere, and others can easily kill him if they all-in him. His sustain ensures him to stay in lane longer. Resources will force him to abandon lane faster which will actually counter his playstyle of a sustained champion and make him an easily zoned champion. In late game? A god of teamfights? I am done here. I thought you knew the champion, I was wrong.
iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dKx9YNNr,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-10T05:22:01.064+0000) > > "They are buffing his late game" > > They are literally increasing Q damage at max rank by +9 while nerfing Q's damage to minion from 100% to 40% and gutting his lane sustain. > > I had be fine if they remove the champion at this point. Nobody is going to play him anyways. > > Edit: +9 at max rank meaning the AD ratio buff is nonexistent. The damage to minions is going down from _50%-100%_ to 40% at all ranks. It already does half damage to minions at rank 1. It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Any buff to a ratio is massive. It increases your scaling with items.
Actually is really bad. What does Aatrox have late game apart from waveclear? And nerf him even further? He was guarranted at least a 45% WinRate with the 25% healing on minions nerf. Another nerf is Riot basically killing any hopes of someone wanting to use Aatrox in Worlds even after the nerfs.
iiGazeii (NA)
: They are buffing his late game. Higher AD ratio on Q, but Q does less damage to minions. Aatrox can't be balanced when he has: - Free sustain - Waveclear - High damage - Hard CC - Gap closers - No resources Something has to go. The devs have chosen a good direction for Aatrox. He doesn't just get to live in the lane and survive off of minions. This avatar of battle thrives off of combat with _champions_, with lots of in-combat sustain and damage when fighting worthy opponents, but he won't be able to just instantly shove and roam with Q or heal back up to full after he takes down his opponent. Taking away his waveclear will bring down his pro play power enough that they'll likely have room to buff him for solo queue later down the road. This patch is all about temporary solutions for problematic champions before Worlds. They don't want the meta to be dominated, so they're tying off loose ends while they work on long-term solutions. They're not done looking at champions like Aatrox and Akali, they're just making sure they don't ruin Worlds with their mistakes.
He is actually balanced in soloQ, he is stronger in pro play because of the CC potential and coordinated play. His CC is soft, his gapcloser is avoidable by anyone who have a dash, a common thing these days. And resources... Why is the point of not having resources if the CD of your Q is long early-mid game?
iiGazeii (NA)
: They are buffing his late game. Higher AD ratio on Q, but Q does less damage to minions. Aatrox can't be balanced when he has: - Free sustain - Waveclear - High damage - Hard CC - Gap closers - No resources Something has to go. The devs have chosen a good direction for Aatrox. He doesn't just get to live in the lane and survive off of minions. This avatar of battle thrives off of combat with _champions_, with lots of in-combat sustain and damage when fighting worthy opponents, but he won't be able to just instantly shove and roam with Q or heal back up to full after he takes down his opponent. Taking away his waveclear will bring down his pro play power enough that they'll likely have room to buff him for solo queue later down the road. This patch is all about temporary solutions for problematic champions before Worlds. They don't want the meta to be dominated, so they're tying off loose ends while they work on long-term solutions. They're not done looking at champions like Aatrox and Akali, they're just making sure they don't ruin Worlds with their mistakes.
"They are buffing his late game" They are literally increasing Q damage at max rank by +9 while nerfing Q's damage to minion from 100% to 40% and gutting his lane sustain. I had be fine if they remove the champion at this point. Nobody is going to play him anyways. Edit: +9 at max rank meaning the AD ratio buff is nonexistent.
DaRudeOne2 (EUNE)
: The LoL community is the most toxic, disgusting community I've ever seen on the internet.
What can you expect from a game who bans people for talking and not for inting/afk.
AR URF (NA)
: I wonder if it has to do with the one shot meta. Like why play {{champion:91}} when you have {{champion:238}} who can one shot from a safer distance? Top lane why play {{champion:122}} when you can just poke all day with {{champion:80}} for example.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4wqVRhr2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-05T19:26:35.089+0000) > > No, the worst thing added to the game was the cs and kill Bounties. They basically turned the game into a coinflip joke in which all the advantage you created during 20 minutes can be erased just by killing you 2 times. > > Also, don't forget the Baron buff. This was made so that the losing team which spent the entire game making mistakes can win if they are lucky enough to win a team fight. Fairly Balanced... > > Regardless, I agree that plates give too much gold rn and the individual amount should be lowered. If u are that bad that you lose a 5v5 teamfight in which you have a big lead, then you deserve to lose the game. I'm not fa n of bounties tho
Anything can happen. And although you are talking like that right now, it may happen to you anymoment. When one team plays the whole game perfectly and the other team makes mistakes all the time, but they are somehow lucky to win a teamfight, they shouldn't be able to win the game as easily because of Baron. Baron was overbuffed in my opinion. Those bonus buffs weren't necessary.
: In all honesty, Aatrox is the worst rework to date, and it sucked up a ridiculous amount of balance team's time over his existence. It is a lost cause by now. Since the Q is a fundamentally broken spell, but also the core of Aatrox's kit, they are slowly stripping him of everything else. First the second E, then the iconic revive, and many other little things. What's left to remove is: - any form of minion sustain, because honestly he doesn't need it. - his E going through walls - the reset mechanics in his ultimate
Aatrox is Aatrox because of his sustain. That's a basic concept you would know if you played the champion. And Aatrox is not a bad rework at all, he is just a different champion. He can be really powerful in good hands but offer clear counterplay and doesn't have the mobility akali has. Removing all those things would just keep lowering the winRate of a champion with a 49% but I don't mind if they double his overall damage on every Q. You don't expect him to receive those nerfs without any compensation, right? and knowing Riot they will just keep raising his damage as compensation. It is easy to complain about a champion you don't play or don't like, but actually Aatrox is balanced in his current state, although he could receive some changes to his gameplay. He is solely being nerfed because of Worlds, but as soon as it ends you will see in patch notes, they buffing other parts of Aatrox to compensate the 45% WinRate he will soon have, and those buffs are more likely to be damage buffs which I don't really like.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Who else enjoys "League of 15 Champs" as much as me this season?
I don't mind playing against Ezreal, Sylas, and Aatrox. They are trash tier. Unless they play better than me, they are probably going to lose that game. Edit: Reality is sad, I know. But even if you want to keep lying to yourselfves this is how it really is. You can only loose to these champions if you play worse than them which most will never admit.
Antenora (EUW)
: Akali gets smacked with nerfs because even after being nerfed every single patch since her rework, she's still an extremely toxic and unfun champion.
And she will always stay in that state until they nerf/remove the passive movement speed and the Q's slow or rise its cooldown considerably.
KazKaz (OCE)
: The Kai'sa nerf is a joke
What? You thought they would nerf Kai'sa 's damage? Their goal is to rise it -overtime-, not to decrease it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4wqVRhr2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-05T19:26:35.089+0000) > > No, the worst thing added to the game was the cs and kill Bounties. They basically turned the game into a coinflip joke in which all the advantage you created during 20 minutes can be erased just by killing you 2 times. > > Also, don't forget the Baron buff. This was made so that the losing team which spent the entire game making mistakes can win if they are lucky enough to win a team fight. Fairly Balanced... > > Regardless, I agree that plates give too much gold rn and the individual amount should ve lowered. Nerfing Baron back then was a huge mistake. Certain champions could already solo it. The monster is a straight up joke, even at 20 minutes. I can't tell you how many games I've won every single team fight, then 2 people get caught post 20 mins and all of a sudden our base is cleared and we aren't ahead anymore.
: Turret plating is honestly the worst thing I've ever seen added to the game next to rng scuttles
No, the worst thing added to the game was the cs and kill Bounties. They basically turned the game into a coinflip joke in which all the advantage you created during 20 minutes can be erased just by killing you 2 times. Also, don't forget the Baron buff. This was made so that the losing team which spent the entire game making mistakes can win if they are lucky enough to win a team fight. Fairly Balanced... Regardless, I agree that plates give too much gold rn and the individual amount should be lowered.
Comentários de Rioters
: It's a high mzna cost and if he is poking you he isn't farming q
Let's pretend that he never takes corrupting potions. Let's pretend that he usually runs out of mana by spamming Q.
: GP Q should not proc melee grasp
Are you insane? Then he wouldn't be able to autowin lane by spamming Q /s
: >Proceeds to call safe one of the easiest champions to gank pre 6 and to kill early game and after that proceeds to argue how a champions is to blame for what a rune does. So here's the thing. Junglers ability to gank a lane is not counterplay. If there is a dependency on a 2v1 for a champion, they arent healthy. >What exactly is your point? That Kassadin counters an entire full roster? Because that is ridiculous. Specially for a champion with 50.9% WinRate. See maybe everyone is wrong because by your argument Kassadin should have a 60% WinRate minimum. 31/33 champs on op.gg are showing him beating champions that are ap. The other 2 are riven and irelia. Out of about 22 of his LOSING matchups, about 5 of them are AP. Countering a roster as in sets of ap champions. >Show me your source, then let me laugh considering what pro players are carrying is FF and not electrocute but sure your very reliable page will make us understand how a weak early game champions does better with a rune designed for strong early game champion than a rune for survival. For the source of the above claim and for this one http://na.op.gg/champion/kassadin/statistics/mid >What is the point of having CDs if you have 4 dashes and Speed buffs on everything you do? This is what I don't get to understand from players like you that pretend a champion since level 6 to have that much mobility and damage to be okay. Then we have champions like kassadin who are similar but only start to be useful after mid game. Well as you said you're comparing akali to kassadin. Didnt you just say how his r would be a 2 second cd late. That isnt the same as akali just by the way. I literally never said akali was in a balanced state. Refrain from putting false words in my mouth. Thank you. Oh no kassadin so bad thats why across the board hes considered tier 2-t1 across elos. Wow such a bad champ im so dumb so srry :((( >A typo, tsk tsk hahaha, not like I made it on purpose for the boards system. Not like I specifically changed the letters and caps on purpose. 200 IQ discovery my friend. Ah so you decided that you wanted to be a %%%% on the internet discreetly. I dont really think moderators care that you use the word fuck. But whatever man. 200 iq would be having the balls to say what you mean and mean what you say. >I was indeed a Kassadin main, but long before. See, the thing that makes our arguments so different is that I played the champion for a long time and got to know his weaknesses and advantages while you are just the typical rage player which played worse than its opponent and unable to accept it, proceeds to blame their champion instead of own incompetence. This is not a difficult matter to understand, we can clearly see it in your intent to blame a champion for what a rune does. Since that point, my mindset understood that you were more like the rage player than the reasonal player. Ergo my answer. You've done nothing but throw insults at me when i have showed you proof and evidence. It's not i that is the rage player, it would be you from your responses. You're just mad because people are calling your champ out on being broken. Also i like that you say was. as if u didnt play kassadin literally today. Sorry that you have an under 50% wr and havent taken him past gold but that doesnt necessarily make the champ bad. Just something for you to wrap your feeble minded head around
> [{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TP2v2LoU,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-03T15:37:36.124+0000) > > So here's the thing. Junglers ability to gank a lane is not counterplay. If there is a dependency on a 2v1 for a champion, they arent healthy. Then why is Yasuo not murdering everyone in high elo? Because he is easy to gank. It being a weakness/counterplay that you don't like? That's a different thing. > 31/33 champs on op.gg are showing him beating champions that are ap. The other 2 are riven and irelia. Out of about 22 of his LOSING matchups, about 5 of them are AP. Countering a roster as in sets of ap champions. Again, that information comes from op.gg so I am not even going to try to discuss what that source shows. > For the source of the above claim and for this one > http://na.op.gg/champion/kassadin/statistics/mid Op.gg? Makes completely sense to me. This always remember me along with teemo highest WinRate top, why I stopped trusting this site. > Well as you said you're comparing akali to kassadin. Didnt you just say how his r would be a 2 second cd late. That isnt the same as akali just by the way. I literally never said akali was in a balanced state. Refrain from putting false words in my mouth. Thank you. You said like it was okay for Akali to have all those tools because she had CDs... Aren't you implying that she is in a balanced state with those words? > Oh no kassadin so bad thats why across the board hes considered tier 2-t1 across elos. Wow such a bad champ im so dumb so srry :((( > 200 IQ discovery my friend. He is not bad and he is not as strong as you claim him to be. He is balanced in his actual state. You pay the price of a non existent early game for a stronger late game. Two-Edged Sword. Deal with it. > Ah so you decided that you wanted to be a %%%% on the internet discreetly. I dont really think moderators care that you use the word fuck. But whatever man. 200 iq would be having the balls to say what you mean and mean what you say. So, does saying those words make you think you are man or something? Are saying those words supposed to make you look cool or brave or something? Ridiculous. > You've done nothing but throw insults at me when i have showed you proof and evidence. It's not i that is the rage player, it would be you from your responses. You're just mad because people are calling your champ out on being broken. Also i like that you say was. as if u didnt play kassadin literally today. Sorry that you have an under 50% wr and havent taken him past gold but that doesnt necessarily make the champ bad. Just something for you to wrap your feeble minded head around I won't deny maybe my way to talk sometimes could make people feel offended but it is only truth. If it was a lie then you shouldn't feel offended. And yes, I recently (say last week) decided to play games in this account which used to be a solo Kassadin Account, after 2 years of not playing Kassadin. And those stats that you have are also from 2 years ago since I didn't play any ranked game since a long time in this account so I fail to see relevance in your claims. In my main account I play top laners and Adcs so I can't be biased to Kassadin because he doesn't help me to climb in my Main Acc. See that thing that fell right now? Yeah, that's your argument. I just saw some absurd post calling a champion with no mobility at all early game and average mobility mid game, being called "forgiving" and rest the rest is here. You call yourself not a rage player, but then where is all that nonsense coming from?
: >How in hell is Kassadin forgiving? I have seen all type of rage post complaining about Kassadin, but this is the first time I see someone call Kassadin a forgiving champion. I literally gave you the reason. He can play very VERY safely, you can take two rune paths that make laning for him very easy. Forgiving in the sense of "oh i took a bad trade, but i can heal it back up with x rune build" >Kassadin is all about positioning. If you use your R offensively on the enemy, that's it. Early-Mig game you can't spam R, meaning that if you use it on someone and it was a bait, you are totally dead. Even in Late, your R has 2s CD, so you can't just R and R away. They will focus you fast and kill you. "Even in late your r has a 2 second cd." Wow you're right theres such a big window to 100-0 him in that timeframe :((( Wow what was i thinking. >In late game, what is an assasin going to do against a joint team? Specifically a extremely squishy assasin? Will you try to jump on them and expect them not to kill you in 2 second. Expect their whole team to do no damage? This almost sounds like you think he is underpowered.. See the thing is, most other assassins dont counter full rosters of champs. Have you ever seen a lv 16 r on top of a time? It looks a lot like full ap malphite ult. >And here goes one last thing. Anyone who picks Kassadin Elect is trolling. Riot messed so much with Kassadin base defense (in exchange to give him more damage, as expected from Riot) that if you have no heal, you autolose lane against AD matchup. They will even dive you because of how easy is to kill you without the heal. Electrocute resolve has a higher wr than fleet sweetie so you might wanna try that again. It has about a 7.25% pick rate With a win rate of 52% on its pick. but sure its a troll rune set sure stats dont matter. And you're saying he loses to ad matchups but what about the literal 20 ap champs he puts right out of commission lmao. pls stop sounding like kassadin is a victim of overnerfs like he hasent been straight buffed for 4 years. >You can say he has too much mobility, even though we have champions like Akali with 3 dashes 1 gapcloser and Movement speed buffs on her pasive who doesn't have to worry about mana manipulation. Well considering akali has a large cd on e, and her ult is 2 dashes with a larger cd. There is quite literally no comparison there. It was a nice try though. Kassadin easily has less mana issues than any mage i have ever played but sure. >But don't KFing joke around saying that Kassadin is forgiving. You sound so upset that you made a typo. Ouch. Thats okay. You're a kassadin main and anyone who dares to complain about your champ being broken doesnt know what they are talking about. Your bias is incredibly deep rooted. Yikes
> [{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TP2v2LoU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-03T13:34:22.989+0000) > > I literally gave you the reason. He can play very VERY safely, you can take two rune paths that make laning for him very easy. Forgiving in the sense of "oh i took a bad trade, but i can heal it back up with x rune build" Proceeds to call safe one of the easiest champions to gank pre 6 and to kill early game and after that proceeds to argue how a champions is to blame for what a rune does. > This almost sounds like you think he is underpowered.. See the thing is, most other assassins dont counter full rosters of champs. Have you ever seen a lv 16 r on top of a time? It looks a lot like full ap malphite ult. What exactly is your point? That Kassadin counters an entire full roster? Because that is ridiculous. Specially for a champion with 50.9% WinRate. See, maybe everyone is wrong because by your argument Kassadin should have a 60% WinRate minimum. > Electrocute resolve has a higher wr than fleet sweetie so you might wanna try that again. It has about a 7.25% pick rate With a win rate of 52% on its pick. but sure its a troll rune set sure stats dont matter. And you're saying he loses to ad matchups but what about the literal 20 ap champs he puts right out of commission lmao. pls stop sounding like kassadin is a victim of overnerfs like he hasent been straight buffed for 4 years. Show me your source, then let me laugh at it considering what pro players are carrying is FF and not electrocute but sure your very reliable source will make us understand how a weak early game champions does better with a rune designed for strong early game champion than a rune for survival. > Well considering akali has a large cd on e, and her ult is 2 dashes with a larger cd. There is quite literally no comparison there. It was a nice try though. Kassadin easily has less mana issues than any mage i have ever played but sure. What is the point of having CDs if you have 4 dashes and Speed buffs on everything you do? This is what I don't get to understand from players like you that pretend a champion since level 6 to have that much mobility and damage to be okay. Then we have champions like kassadin who are similar but only start to be useful after mid game. But no, Kassadin should not be strong late game in compensation for hia early game, he should be easy to deal with at all stages of the game. > You sound so upset that you made a typo. Ouch. A typo, tsk tsk hahaha, not like I made it on purpose for the boards system. Not like I specifically changed the letters and caps on purpose. 200 IQ discovery my friend. > Thats okay. You're a kassadin main and anyone who dares to complain about your champ being broken doesnt know what they are talking about. Your bias is incredibly deep rooted. Yikes I was indeed a Kassadin main, but long before. See, the thing that makes our arguments so different is that I played the champion for a long time and got to know his weaknesses and advantages while you are just the typical rage player which played worse than its opponent and unable to accept it, proceeds to blame their champion instead of own incompetence. This is not a difficult matter to understand, we can clearly see it in your intent to blame a champion for what a rune does. Since that point, my mindset understood that you were more like the rage player than the reasonable player. Ergo my answer.
: Why is kassadin overly forgiving?
How in hell is Kassadin forgiving? I have seen all type of rage post complaining about Kassadin, but this is the first time I see someone call Kassadin a forgiving champion. Kassadin is all about positioning. If you use your R offensively on the enemy, that's it. Early-Mig game you can't spam R, meaning that if you use it on someone and it was a bait, you are totally dead. Even in Late, your R has 2s CD, so you can't just R and R away. They will focus you fast and kill you. In late game, what is an assasin going to do against a joint team? Specifically a extremely squishy assasin? Will you try to jump on them and expect them not to kill you in 2 second. Expect their whole team to do no damage? 90% of people complaining about Kassadin don't even realize that Kassadin R is his highest damage ability and at the same time his only dash, so if he wants to kill you, he can't just WEQ safely from range like Zed does, he has to use his only dash which puts him in a dangerous position. And here goes one last thing. Anyone who picks Kassadin Elect is trolling. Riot messed so much with Kassadin base defense (in exchange to give him more damage, as expected from Riot) that if you have no heal, you autolose lane against AD matchup. They will even dive you because of how easy is to kill you without the heal. So, you can say you feel Kassadin to be strong which I can respect even though there are better assasins than him right know due to games ending early. You can say he has too much mobility, even though we have champions like Akali with 3 dashes 1 gapcloser and Movement speed buffs on her pasive who doesn't have to worry about mana manipulation. But don't KFing joke around saying that Kassadin is forgiving.
: Imagine if any non ADC had a 53% win rate with a 21.2% win rate
At least nobody can't deny her PickRate, see how fast so many jinx abusers downvoted you. Lol
: He's getting nerfed in the upcoming patch.
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: next game if i play kass ill try these tips if i remember right instead of freaking out and messing up my trade and auto piloting my ult /E/Q all the time.
Okay, good luck then. I used to be a Kassadin Otp until recently, I started to play other champs related to top lane.
: is better to back while out or nearly tapped or just ult/W/Q them to restore mana (hold back E to conserve mana here)?
Depends on their jungler. If their jungler is missing on the map and he tried to gank you previously, I wouldn't go for that trade/mana unless the enemy champion is overextended, near my tower.
: generally kass is supposed to ult E/W then walk away with Q to maintain mana/negate burst if im prioritizing the damage order correct.
For short trades is better to EQ because going into melee range for a RW would give enemy champions enough time to answer you back and outrade you really hard and it would also make you extremely vulnerable to ganks. For ALL-In it is better to R AA W E Q. Use W almost immediately to avoid enemies flashing and evading the damage while Q as the last spells secures kills even if enemy champions flash.
: Being angry at kassadin again
Okay, you are exaggerating a lot in this post but saying that Kassadin reaches his powerspike lvl 6... is not that trolling a little bit too much?
: If he was fed, or it was right at his item spikes AND vs an appropriate target then maybe, but anyone regardless of items from a very early level screams unbalanced champion a.k.a "bad for the game".
He said in General, not ahead in the game. If someone from the balance team has that opinion, then there is no hope for League.
: Can we nerf rengar please?
Riot August: "Champions like Rengar One-shotting you is GOOD FOR THE GAME. The game becomes a lot more 'bland' when it is all about skill shots" Do I have to point myself his IQ level?
F2P Crow (NA)
: This game is riddled with too much crowd control
Wait, he actually said that? No wonder why the game is in this state. He is too dumb for his job. Anyone who actually plays the game will realize the level of stupidity of such opinion.
: What's the tradeoff for Qiyana's low ultimate cooldown on such a high utility spell?
Better question, what is an assasin doing with an AoE stun Ult?
: Excuse me, but why are we lowering Aatrox's base HP?
Good News, the nerfs are being cancelled.
: Jayce MID is in a terrible state now, and he is unplayable as lower skill champs do more damage
The simple fact that this post got so many downvotes just showes the lack of understanding in the boards. I am not a Jayce player and I realize how weak he is. Even his Otps are doing bad.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dEx5EUuM,comment-id=000100000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T01:18:49.802+0000) > > I didn't say that he can't be made overpowered or gutted with numbers, I said that numbers alone aren't enough to balance him. Can you answer the question?
It is out of context.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dEx5EUuM,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T01:05:08.721+0000) > > Check my comment Can we agree that if old Ryze (whichever version you consider to be impossible to balance) were made to deal 1000000 base damage with Q, he would be extremely overpowered?
I didn't say that he can't be made overpowered or gutted with numbers, I said that numbers alone aren't enough to balance him.
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