Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=açid,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AOvHEURm,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-07T23:35:19.053+0000) > > Saying "I'm just having a rough game" to a person who is being "toxic" torwards you Is just understanding where they are coming from and if thats your legitament response reporting them would be contradictory. The only reason a player would be "toxic" is to get another player "toxic" for the sake of calling them the one thats "wrong" and to get them reported instead. when in reality all players are "wrong" for blaming their crappy games on others. When you take away the idea that verbally calling people names is genuinely offensive you take away the power of the verbal "offensiveness". Because shit talking is just a part of videogames and the point is to get someone else mad because its all actually a joke. Nobody has hard lasting feelings from "toxicity" but they do have hard feelings when an entire community is trying to call them "wrong" for responding in they're own way therefor they are stuck blaming others. Freedom of speech exist because words dont hurt people and if someone says they do they are lying, just playing victim and are trying to hide themselves. Not even 69% of players just say "It seemed like the best option of options I had available, Reported." They say "go fuck yourself reported lol." 1) There's a difference between trash talking and just talking like trash. Even in professional sports those who take it too far are given penalties such as fines and/or suspensions. 2) Freedom of speech =/= freedom of speech consequences, only prevents the US government from creating speech limiting laws and it doesn't apply to privately owned establishments such as Riot Games. 3) Words can and do hurt people, with the reasoning that they don't often use by those who want to upset others or say whatever they want accountability free. Yes the argument can be made that they only have as much power as one lets them and sometimes something needs to be said even if it upsets someone but nevertheless the point still stands. Why would you continue to say insults even after you were asked to stop regardless if it offended and/or upset someone or not?
Tailypo (NA)
: Real men lmao. Werent you just going on about "defending yourself" from other players' chat. Hillarious hypocrisy. Buddy you got your head buried so far up your own ass. People report you because they dont enjoy playing with you. Youve been banned TWICE. The system works fine, and you are the problem.
Riot sanctions certain kinds of trolling, like people not caring and just picking what they "want to play" but they ban you for actually caring about winning(getting pissed at your team mates, picking stupid shit when people troll you in champ select to try to get them to dodge, etc.) They've created an environment that is inherently toxic when you're in a losing situation, then they punish you if you try to leave the situation(LP loss and Queue CD for dodging). So, you get trapped in an extremely frustrating situation that results in you wasting your time no matter what you do and then, best of all, they ban you if you're not just a good little boy and sit there with your hands in your lap, waiting for it to be over. Think about it
: ok so you dont want a discussion, just trolling me. got it see ya{{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
You werent discussing anything you we're just saying I was wrong without any actual argument I legit just said exactly what you said and you practically called yourself a troll. That emote is cringe
: basically everything you post but besides that, everyone here is the minority, even those of us not bitching and moaning about deserved punishments. if you added up every single person who posts on the boards, positively or negatively, it would be a grain of sand of the beach. Hence we are the minority, all of us here
Wtf are you talking about... make sense man
: we downvote blatantly salty bullshit that has no basis in fact its ok though, there's a couple these every week, someone comes in with some hyper salty crusade against RIOT and they spam their nonsense in every thread they can for a day or two then they disappear (generally speaking) its akin to letting a child scream until it passes out
But youre the most salty person on this thread. What you said had no legit argument to what I said you're just saying i'm wrong because im wrong
: Unpopular Opinion: being passive aggressively toxic annoys me more than straight up flaming.
Its funny because you can be completely sarcastic saying good job and a bunch of other things and riot wont ban you for it because it looks real
: What the heck is wrong with Riot's banning system?
: Chat is important, toxicity can't be fixed by taking it away.
You can play the game without needing chat games with no chat logs have happened before
: 4 inting people, checking their match history once again proved something to me
: It can be used as harassment. Even if not, it doesn't add to any conversation.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LAbBtNWA,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-08T06:00:55.693+0000) > > It can be used as harassment. > Even if not, it doesn't add to any conversation. close ur eyes and its gone
: wtf are you talking about...make sense man
: so if this is just a league problem why are companies like Blizzard teaming up with them to fight the same problem? https://www.pcgamer.com/major-game-companies-are-teaming-up-to-combat-toxicity-in-gaming/ over 30 major companies are also teaming up to fight toxicity because *gasp* **ITS NOT JUST A LEAGUE ISSUE!** http://fairplayalliance.org/ i understand that you're salty for whatever reason but spamming misinformation is just silly
Because other company's do the same thing. "Toxicity" doesn't exist just people like you who want to play victim. Words on a screen can't physically harm you quit acting like they can I never said it was just a League problem Please actually point out my misinformation instead of simply saying I'm wrong You and the rest of the people that comment on these boards have a biased opinion and downvote every post that exposes riot for the company it really is Dunkey quit League because of this Videogame companys new slogan now days is if its not broken fix it https://gyazo.com/650631f0815e92065aca2430ae55e750
: What I learned from my 14 day suspension
KyllSome (EUNE)
: Is this punishable?
wow its crazy how many people tell me to kms its actually to the point where I dont take offence and see it as a joke
: league of legend community is really toxic
Riot has no intent to fix the community, League has always been a toxic game and always will be. people will eventually realize that they are all toxic and riot is just making players blame the "toxicity" on themselves. No other game has a chat system so toxic they permaban other players. You cannot get banned from hearthstone because theres no chat. Toxic players dont get chat taken away from them but rather just all of they're skins and time because Riot as a shitty company absorbs all of that. If you are feeling that the game is toxic don't spend money on skins as you will inevitably be driven to say something back to a "toxic" player that will be considered "toxic" itself. There is nothing wrong with flaming back as nobody truely gets hurt from arguing however Riots intent is to actually convince these players that they are wrong and to buy more skins on theyre new accounts. It may take being a victim to this scheme yourself to understand it but the main idea is that Riot is initiating a blame game among players to prove who is more"toxic" by theyre standards https://gyazo.com/650631f0815e92065aca2430ae55e750
Kei143 (NA)
: Half correct. If the toxicity all happened within recent intervals (i.e high consistency), of course you'll get punished. Using your example of 1% of games of 10,000 games. If you were toxic in 100 games of the most recent 200 games, that's 50% recent toxicity. Those 9,800 clean games help you not get punished in the first 100 games, but it's not going to save you after that. On the contrary, if you were toxic in just 1 every 100 games, then your recent toxicity is still 1% and won't get punished. Personal observation from these boards, if you it 20% recent toxicity, then you'll probably get punished. But don't hold me to account there. It's just a guess.
But bans still stack up over time
: how? are you seriously saying that the majority of ALL league players come to bitch on the forums? that's simply not the case, which makes all of us here, the minority in this context
Only the ones that lose $350 due to "cyberbullying"
: > [{quoted}](name=açid,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AOvHEURm,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-08-07T19:36:30.326+0000)lmao whats the difference between defending yourself and being an ass about it Examples of self defense: * I'm just having a rough game. * It's a match-up I'm not great at, and I'm doing well considering. * It seemed like the best option of the options I had available. It didn't work out, but I'm confident it was the best call I could have made. * I'll focus on my game. You focus on yours. * I'm still in the game. You're not making me play any better by telling me I'm losing. Examples of being an ass: * Shut up. You're losing too. * Don't complain about me when you're 0/5. * I wouldn't be losing if you knew how to gank.
Saying "I'm just having a rough game" to a person who is being "toxic" torwards you Is just understanding where they are coming from and if thats your legitament response reporting them would be contradictory. The only reason a player would be "toxic" is to get another player "toxic" for the sake of calling them the one thats "wrong" and to get them reported instead. when in reality all players are "wrong" for blaming their crappy games on others. When you take away the idea that verbally calling people names is genuinely offensive you take away the power of the verbal "offensiveness". Because shit talking is just a part of videogames and the point is to get someone else mad because its all actually a joke. Nobody has hard lasting feelings from "toxicity" but they do have hard feelings when an entire community is trying to call them "wrong" for responding in they're own way therefor they are stuck blaming others. Freedom of speech exist because words dont hurt people and if someone says they do they are lying, just playing victim and are trying to hide themselves. Not even 69% of players just say "It seemed like the best option of options I had available, Reported." They say "go fuck yourself reported lol."
Kei143 (NA)
: So ... you want to counter attack instead. Call it a counter attack then, not a defense. With Riot's current rules, you can occasionally flame others. Just don't use the zero tolerance and don't do it often.
its not about how often you do it its about how often you play the game because you can flame 1% of games and get banned simply for that 1% if its only 100 games youve played you probably wont get banned for flaming in one game however if youve played 1000 games and were toxic in 10 of them you're definitely getting banned. If you play 10,000 games and were toxic in 100 of them youre getting permabanned
Kei143 (NA)
: So why do you need to defend yourself when people are calling for reports? All a report does is flag the system to review the game (in the category it was reported in), if the review found nothing wrong, the report will be tossed out. Knowing that reports alone won't punish your account, there really is nothing needed to be defended. So just brush off those that are accusing you wrongfully. Infact, them threatening to report you counts as harassment against them if they kept that up, they would get punished.
because sometimes you wanna say something back and talk shit in a videogame instead of getting someone banned and trying to feel good about it when you couldve just muted the person
: *people are legit losing _their_ money and time after repeatedly breaking rules that they agreed to
because the rules are dumb and people wanna play victim to words on a screen
: Or simply not toxic enough to be permabanned.
You guys are the toxic ones if you rage once in the game youre 4 man reported and everyone starts raging against you causing you to be even more "toxic" by typing mean words on a screen. The banning system is a scapegoat machine for noobs who wanna blame or harrass others but not to the point where they cant get away with it themselves because different choice words when every word is on the same level of offensiveness.
: >Keeping shit real shouldn't get you banned. There's a difference between "keeping shit real" and "being an ass about it." ***The Former:*** "Hey dude -- seems like you're struggling into that match-up. You should play conservatively and give up farm if needed, 'cause you can't beat him in a fight." ***The Latter:*** "Hey asshole. Stop fucking feeding Olaf. Were you in the back of the line when the brains were being handed out?" Similarly, there's a difference between "defending yourself" and "being an ass about it."
lmao whats the difference between defending yourself and being an ass about it
Baka Red (EUNE)
: It just means that couple of trolls saw that first.
Nobodys trolling here people are legit losing they're money and time
Baka Red (EUNE)
: No, it doesn't mean that. It means that (however inaccurate that statistic might be) that most people aren't toxic enough to get punished the four times it takes to receive permanent suspension. Many will learn from the first time they get punished, and only a few are so toxic, that they don't get the final warning: 14-day suspension tells that the next punishment will be the permanent suspension.
so youre saying all players are on a scale from "toxic" to "nontoxic" making all players "toxic" and not "toxic" at the same time? or that you only get banned once if youre this "toxic" but if youre this "toxic" you get permabanned. Cause I'm pretty sure if players arent choosing to be toxic theyre just having bad games/days and have nothing to "learn".
Baka Red (EUNE)
: Well, it isn't much of a consolation (especially since it just happened to you) but they do lose the time and (potentially) money invested in the suspended account. They do lose the skins, icons and such too. Granted, they can get those back, but if they keep on trolling, they will lose them again. Try not to lose the third account, if you ever create one.
But you shouldn't want an angry player to lose theyre stuff, thats an eye for an eye. I want them to be less angry. Why is riot inclining me to call the player "toxic" when they don't want to be? does that make sense to you? Toxicity doesn't effect you unless you call the other player "toxic" in your head. Is calling someone "toxic" and unworthy to play the game not "toxic" itself??? How is reporting another "toxic" player when you we're "toxic" yourself justifiable?
: You're right, rito is far and away the most toxic company I've seen in a long time. And for them to judge other peoples toxicity is downright laughable.
riot legit made its own playerbase hate one percent of itself just so it doesnt blame the game
Baka Red (EUNE)
: If a polite line or three doesn't work (and they usually don't), your only choice is to ignore the troll one way or the other. The easiest way is to mute him. After the match report him and hope that IFS deals with it. Now, since you have responded to the trolls with negativity and insults, IFS has punished you. That is because you have been negative and thrown insults, because you could not keep your cool. That is unfortunate, but that is how things go here. In case you start a third account, you would do well to study [IFS FAQ](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-) and learn this simple rule; if someone annoys you in league, mute him, don't talk to/with/about him, and report him after the match - still not talking to/with/about him. Also, don't be negative in the chat. Following these guilines your account will be safe and the bad person will hopefully be punished some day in future. Oh, and you have to play to win and never troll too, to keep your account safe. On the other hand; chat can be safely used to talk about tactics, and it can be used for morale boosting.
Cool but how does reporting a player solve the problem when the player can just come back? Also riot has never tried completely removing chat from a "toxic" player only muting said player. I believe the communities view of "toxic" players only makes them more "toxic" as everyones always trying to blame someone else
: I'll give you 2 pieces of advice that will infinitely improve your experience in this game. 1) They just put in an option to mute chat completely, turn it on, you will still see pings and emote but no communication, flaming will stop there at least in the actual game. 2) Don't spend a dime on this garbage company, they have done nothing but make this game from bad to worse, and they don't care about their place base at all. So never spend ANY money on them.
You dont have to do number one if you dont do number two. but all I'm trying to say Riot doesn't have the right to deem what is "toxic" when calling anyone toxic is toxic itself. The rioter that posted here even called it a conspiracy lmao its not its just a blatant problem for the game
: If a fucking permaban can't stop someone flaming, then whatever you typed to him in chat can't either.
what if I say something positive? What if thats all that theres room for?
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Yeahh i ain't even gonna read that horrible wall of text But, if you break the rules, you'll be punished. If you consistently break the rules, you'll be perma banned because riot doesn't want you to play their game anymore Pretty simple, huh, and makes a ton of sense
reported for being toxic torwards my wall of text
: > Real men don't care about what others say but they'll argue for the sake of it and possibly report each other because theyre told to. > don't care about what others say > they'll argue for the sake of it Thats not how "don't care" work. > If I want something to do I tell them theyre wrong and report them. Remove the "I tell them theyre wrong" part and you will be ok > Talking trash to other people in a videogame isn't supposed to be a personal thing nobody truely gets offended I am not offended by someone trashtalking me. That doesn't mean I would like to play with that person again. So I will quietly report him after the game. And if he keeps flaming other players in other games, he will get banned/chat banned and won't be able to flame, which is just what is supposed to happen.
reporting a person isn't telling them they are wrong? most players dont quit after being banned which doesnt stop them from being "toxic" they just take a break from ranked from grinding and become less "toxic" as an effect
: So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a _single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game_, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area. _Do not respond with misbehavior of your own!_ If you do that, your teammates may mute and report _you_, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he. Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own. From [Riot's support knowledgebase](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-): > * Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on. > * Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the [Reporting a Player FAQ](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player) Your opinion of the rules is of zero relevance. When a cop stops you for going 40 in a 25 zone, you can claim "I think the limit should be 45 here" all you want. You're still getting a ticket. If a librarian asks you to keep your voice down while you use the facilities, shouting that libraries should be loud will simply get you escorted out. If you go to a friend's house who insists that you remove your shoes while you're in their home, "that's a stupid rule and I do what I want" will lose you a friend. If you are using someone else's services, facilities, equipment, etc., you abide by their rules or you deal with the consequences. If you think the rules should change, that is a completely different conversation (and I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for your chances at convincing Riot to change their rules to allow behavior like yours). From [Riot's support knowledgebase](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024051193-Understanding-Different-Ban-Types-FAQs): > We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow. Riot's punishment system used to hand out stacking chat restrictions, such that consistently toxic players basically had a permanent chat restriction. Unfortunately, it turns out that such players used their few chat opportunities to be toxic, and, when they couldn't be as toxic as they wanted to, they resorted to committing non-chat offenses such as griefing (following someone around and taking their farm, using wall abilities to interfere with their play, etc.) or inting. The purpose of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking, not make it worse. Thus, if a couple chat restrictions don't make any difference in a player's misbehavior, the system ramps up the punishments until the player is permabanned and thus unable to use that account to break any more rules ever again. Riot used to give toxic players a long series of gradually-increasing suspensions. However, they found that players who got more than a few punishments would never stop misbehaving and receiving punishments. As the goal of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking and Riot has absolutely no interest in coddling toxic players, the system was changed to eliminate this long tail of irredeemable players. Compared to the hundreds or even thousands of typical players who are bothered over dozens or hundreds of matches ruined by a toxic player, that one player's ability to annoy people merits no sympathy or concern. The preferred outcome of punishing a misbehaving player is reform: according to Riot's figures, most players who get one punishment never get another. However, when a player refuses to stop breaking the rules after a few warnings (punishments), they are removed from the game with a permaban because Riot no longer believes them capable of reform. Did you find something in Riot's store [allowing you to break the ToS](https://i.imgur.com/AvDSnZF.png)? No, because such a service is not offered. Regardless of how much money you spend, you are required to follow the same rules as everyone else. If the IFS determines that you've been validly reported in violation of those rules, you'll be punished according to those rules. If you wanted to avoid a punishment, you should've followed the rules. The ability to play on a new account doesn't negate the benefits of permabanning toxic players. If every single one of them did that, then it would at least be a minor punishment, taking away their unlocked skins, icons, champs, and so on. Any who don't do that are removed from the game and the problem is solved in at least those instances. Quite frankly, Riot and 99.994% of the playerbase (people without permabans, according to Riot's figures on this, which I see no reason to doubt) don't give one whit for how permabanned players feel about being ejected from the game for consistently appalling behavior. Most permabanned players stop playing the game. It's extremely rare for a permabanned player to be so oblivious and/or unbalanced that they accumulate multiple permabans on a series of accounts. Riot does not have the wherewithal to prevent that except when a highly-visible player (such as a popular streamer) engages in this behavior, in which case they may issue an ID ban (Riot employees manually ban any account that such a player is seen to use). The money Riot gains from duplicate purchases on serial permabanned players' accounts pales in comparison to the many typical players driven away by toxic customers. It is not a conspiracy. Riot just doesn't want those toxic players to play the game anymore. You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Pqc6PJUE-players-who-flame-back-in-self-defense-dont-understand-the-meaning-of-those-words).
Only 0.006% of players are "toxic" enough to result in a permaban. Riot's own statistic. That means 99.994% of players are not "toxic"
zPOOPz (NA)
: May I ask you for a favor of re-editing your post with some paragraphs?
Sure and downvoted for simply doing so
: So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a _single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game_, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area. _Do not respond with misbehavior of your own!_ If you do that, your teammates may mute and report _you_, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he. Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own. From [Riot's support knowledgebase](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-): > * Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on. > * Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the [Reporting a Player FAQ](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player) Your opinion of the rules is of zero relevance. When a cop stops you for going 40 in a 25 zone, you can claim "I think the limit should be 45 here" all you want. You're still getting a ticket. If a librarian asks you to keep your voice down while you use the facilities, shouting that libraries should be loud will simply get you escorted out. If you go to a friend's house who insists that you remove your shoes while you're in their home, "that's a stupid rule and I do what I want" will lose you a friend. If you are using someone else's services, facilities, equipment, etc., you abide by their rules or you deal with the consequences. If you think the rules should change, that is a completely different conversation (and I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for your chances at convincing Riot to change their rules to allow behavior like yours). From [Riot's support knowledgebase](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024051193-Understanding-Different-Ban-Types-FAQs): > We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow. Riot's punishment system used to hand out stacking chat restrictions, such that consistently toxic players basically had a permanent chat restriction. Unfortunately, it turns out that such players used their few chat opportunities to be toxic, and, when they couldn't be as toxic as they wanted to, they resorted to committing non-chat offenses such as griefing (following someone around and taking their farm, using wall abilities to interfere with their play, etc.) or inting. The purpose of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking, not make it worse. Thus, if a couple chat restrictions don't make any difference in a player's misbehavior, the system ramps up the punishments until the player is permabanned and thus unable to use that account to break any more rules ever again. Riot used to give toxic players a long series of gradually-increasing suspensions. However, they found that players who got more than a few punishments would never stop misbehaving and receiving punishments. As the goal of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking and Riot has absolutely no interest in coddling toxic players, the system was changed to eliminate this long tail of irredeemable players. Compared to the hundreds or even thousands of typical players who are bothered over dozens or hundreds of matches ruined by a toxic player, that one player's ability to annoy people merits no sympathy or concern. The preferred outcome of punishing a misbehaving player is reform: according to Riot's figures, most players who get one punishment never get another. However, when a player refuses to stop breaking the rules after a few warnings (punishments), they are removed from the game with a permaban because Riot no longer believes them capable of reform. Did you find something in Riot's store [allowing you to break the ToS](https://i.imgur.com/AvDSnZF.png)? No, because such a service is not offered. Regardless of how much money you spend, you are required to follow the same rules as everyone else. If the IFS determines that you've been validly reported in violation of those rules, you'll be punished according to those rules. If you wanted to avoid a punishment, you should've followed the rules. The ability to play on a new account doesn't negate the benefits of permabanning toxic players. If every single one of them did that, then it would at least be a minor punishment, taking away their unlocked skins, icons, champs, and so on. Any who don't do that are removed from the game and the problem is solved in at least those instances. Quite frankly, Riot and 99.994% of the playerbase (people without permabans, according to Riot's figures on this, which I see no reason to doubt) don't give one whit for how permabanned players feel about being ejected from the game for consistently appalling behavior. Most permabanned players stop playing the game. It's extremely rare for a permabanned player to be so oblivious and/or unbalanced that they accumulate multiple permabans on a series of accounts. Riot does not have the wherewithal to prevent that except when a highly-visible player (such as a popular streamer) engages in this behavior, in which case they may issue an ID ban (Riot employees manually ban any account that such a player is seen to use). The money Riot gains from duplicate purchases on serial permabanned players' accounts pales in comparison to the many typical players driven away by toxic customers. It is not a conspiracy. Riot just doesn't want those toxic players to play the game anymore. You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Pqc6PJUE-players-who-flame-back-in-self-defense-dont-understand-the-meaning-of-those-words).
Toxicity doesn't exist unless you engage in the toxic behavior yourself. Real men don't care about what others say but they'll argue for the sake of it and possibly report each other because theyre told to. If a persons shouting in a library and I dont like it I mute them(Leauge of Library's). If I want something to do I tell them theyre wrong and report them. Its the judgement of the behavior that gives said behavior the power to be "negative" Don't be sorry someone called me a scumfuck degenerate because I should just feel decent when I mute them/called them something back. Talking trash to other people in a videogame isn't supposed to be a personal thing nobody truely gets offended unless its "youre toxic. No you're toxic" Where Riot is ontop saying "Nope youre all toxic". My opinion of the rules does matter because I'm speaking on factual grounds. The only kind of player "toxicity" drives away is videogamedunkey thanks to the banning system. You cant say I'm completely wrong Its not a "conspiracy" its facts nice try tho nobodys yelling in librarys
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