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Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: eh I'm not gonna read 50 essays when its too hard for you to spend 2 seconds on copy pasting shit
Yeah it gets irritating when the same 20 people ask the same stuff and you have to reply everytime, even though it's copy pasting. It's just mentally irritating because people can't be bothered to look themselves and always need someone else to work for them and make it easier for them just because they won't do it themselves.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: getting out farmed by a velkoz as an adc is also just inocrrect, I mean hey I'm not saying that what he did isn't a dick move but it could have very well been the play which granted him the highest chance at winning the game so
I would spend longer typing a reply on why that is incorrect but I've done that several times above this message, so if you insist you are correct feel free to look at my other replies to people
: role stealing isn't allowed
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Uraraka (EUNE)
: Idk which game you're commenting about, but if a mage supp starts {{item:1056}} it is one of the indications that they're either bad or don't have any knowledge of supp. If you'd said them to go {{item:3303}} first and they started with doran's, it is intentional. Though taking cs isn't against rule, not taking support item is kind of giving advantage to opponents in vision game; as a supp I punish opponents hard for not having enough vision by warding their jg and setting up ambushes. Now, as an adc you did great by keeping cool because I have seen adc players troll/int/afk even if I had taken like 5 cs in 10 mins and not even disturbing their farming; however, as soon as you see your supp start with non supp item just freeze the wave near turret-only last hit opponent minions and let them push. I don't know the matchup, but freezing in bot lane is always effective and unless the {{champion:161}} times spells correctly they cant take minions. Idk what champ you played too, but as an aa champ you can farm more than ability users; am not justifying their actions, but they've cooldowns and constraint on mana-but you don't. Lastly it is not advisable to write report player X, because that itself is reportable(strange right xD). I remember I had troll/feeding/afk adc players because I picked mage supports, even in my promo games to Gold 4. It is all about grinding games and don't get frustrated because you will be seeing such supports and also mute chat, to save your mental state. Gl hf {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Taking CS isn't against rule, but I think at the point when you're intentionally doing it to ruin others games, and you're taking so much CS that your ADC is starved of gold and you have the same amount of CS halfway into laning phase and after laning phase. I'm not annoyed because he took 5 cs in 10 minutes, it was something like 30. As a support player I understand auto attacking might not be intentional and taking a few farm is ok, but I would never take that much farm even after my ADC told me countless times to stop. it's not only about farm, the reason I lost so much was because 1. He fricked the wave by his auto attacking and pushed it into a position that forced to risk my life to farm when i was behind 2. Messing up my cs-ing patterns so I couldn't cs because of minion aggro and timed auto attacks 3. Just last hitting minions that I was using to freeze/wanting to auto
ThePl4yer (EUW)
: thats the reason why i dodge every game with mage supps below Diamond :D whenever you smurf and get mage supporter you fall really much behind because they take a lot of cs/xp while you are at base/or even when you are on lane. and they feed and or be useless the entire game while not even warding properly... but respect to you that you kept cool and didnt run it down or afk
I personally play mage supports and I am below diamond, but I make sure to not take any CS from my ADC or mess up his/her wave with my abilities. E.g. Lux e onto minions for harrass. I make sure to not take CS and kills whenever I can unless I'm sure my ADC is ok with it/he's inting and trolling/I am sure I can 100% carry better/provide more for my team than the ADC would sitting on the same amount of gold. Most of the time this will not be the case though. I try to ward a lot and get my Spellthief's done and usually average at a score of 34 25-30 minutes in a game. Somehow still kinda hardstuck lul.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: I mean at the point your support can out cs you by auto attacking you have no business complaining lmao
Not really out-csing by auto attacking, it was a combination of more so he aa-ed whenever he could, messing up my cs-ing patterns and making me lose CS and making the wave push into a position that was disadvantageous for me to farm, (either I had to sacrifice farm or take damage/die in the process of trying to get farm, and obviously when he had taken cs from me when I was trying to control the wave I was behind) My support isn't supposed to out-cs me, that is the complete opposite of what you are supposed to do. He's out-csing me by auto attacking? Okay, then why the hell is he playing support? Might as well go any other solo lane if he wants to farm, but taking that much farm as a support is just incorrect.
: im aware that this isnt the point. but noone pointed this out yet
Actually multiple people have. Thanks for the reminder though.
: you asked in all chat for reports. you can get punished for that. just saying.
Think you're missing the point of the post, but nevertheless I do think that these types of people should be banned. I'll keep that in mind though.
Sillae (NA)
: As far as I can tell, he didn't do anything reportable. This isn't saying he did nothing wrong, he took Doran's Ring as a support and was taking CS, but there's no set rule that supports have to play normally. He was clearly still playing to win, even if he was being sub optimal. Also "he started screaming?" Were you in voice chat or something? This is League, at most he started typing in caps. If anything, asking others for reports is in fact toxic behavior that is not abided by in the Summoner's Code.
I mean, GRF Lehends climbed to Challenger (which also attended Worlds 2019 and rated as one of the best supports in the world) with Elise Support. He played his game how he wanted to, and carried himself to challenger with it. Playing your game how you want to and succeeding is great, and having downs or losses is completely normal, but ruining someone else's game deliberately is not ok, especially in bot lane when synergy and communnication between ADC and support is crucial.
Sillae (NA)
: As far as I can tell, he didn't do anything reportable. This isn't saying he did nothing wrong, he took Doran's Ring as a support and was taking CS, but there's no set rule that supports have to play normally. He was clearly still playing to win, even if he was being sub optimal. Also "he started screaming?" Were you in voice chat or something? This is League, at most he started typing in caps. If anything, asking others for reports is in fact toxic behavior that is not abided by in the Summoner's Code.
I think his behaviour can be taken in account as trolling, after seeing his actions and his replies. It doesn't matter to me if a support is 'bad' or 'doesn't know much about the game' or being 'wrong', the fact that after I asked nicely multiple of times to stop taking CS, someone who supposedly wasn't good or didn't know would stop. I asked several times, and it became painfully obvious he was deilberately doing it. There is no set rule for playing however you want as a support, but when you intentionally ruin someone's game just because of how you want to play your game it's not okay. I don't see how in any situation taking your ADC's farm since the very first minion wave is a play-to-win tactic. Especially after they emphasized you to not do it. If that's what he thinks will make us win, which we didn't, it's blatantly incorrect. I understand taking your ADC's Farm mid-game or seeing that they're a troll or inting hard, but that was not the case at all.
: "Vel'Koz" probably has more letters than he had iq points don't sweat it just report, take a breather and move on
Agreed, happened to remember this case, and I've seen cases in which people just look at KD and say "lol you're being carried", so just wanted to point that situation out and how frustrating it can be.
: Devil's advocate: He was playing to win. You weren't assisting him with that. He took it upon himself to win by doing what he needed, in this case taking 'your' farm. I used to play ADC, and it does suck when you get behind like that. But if what he did worked, then take the W. I remember the first time I'd ever seen Volibear. I was a Twitch and had a Voli support who just killed all the minions and permashoved so he could take the tower (Back in S5.) Once that was done, I was left gold starved as a Twitch while he roamed. But his strategy didn't work so we lost the game THEN we reported him.
Few things to clarify: We didn't take a W. If he had given me a chance, things would've turned out better. All supports shouldn't automatically start assuming an adc's skill level at the beginning of the game, and if they come to a conclusion and that is the ADC is bad, does that make it OK for him to take farm unless the ADC was hard inting which I wasn't in that case? From the very beginning he had limited my resources, took my resources and made it virtually impossible for us to make a turnaround. If he started taking farm midgame and I showed a poor performance there would be completely no debate. If he was really deserving of all that CS and kills then obviously I would and should shut up. But he wasn't. I mean he literally yelled at me and said he was going to go Vel'Koz top and mid originally. If my role at the very beginning of the game was to assist him then I would've switched to support. If he was playing to win as ADC why not queue up as ADC? Take it upon himself to win by doing what he thought he needed to do? Like taking your ADC's farm since the first wave of minions? The VERY first wave? The reason I got so incredibly behind was beacuse I never even got a proper chance to play properly and show what I was capable of. If I did get carried that's a different story, but he's a support player who literally got a Doran's Ring as a first item, and I think that says enough.
86400 (NA)
: He carried you and it hurt so bad you had to come write it up with a little anime emote to top of off. Hats off to that Vel'Koz.
Hats off to you encouraging this type of behaviour in games. You are one of the many reasons why people continue to troll games and be toxic.
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: Idk, didn't even check her runes, but didn't notice much difference from playing against her on mid.
Aftershock Lux is supposed to be played Support (I think), so I don't know how well it does in mid, but I doubt it would be good
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Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=atorelle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:47:55.442+0000) > > I can't find the original source right now, I'll do a bit of searching later but are you implying that a champion who already has an ultimate skin and a lot of other skins (up there with the champion with most skins) should be eligible for receiving a high-quality legendary skin when some champions like Zilean exist? > Even if I can't find a specific rule by Riot, should it even be allowed? Do you even think Ezreal should get a Legendary after his VU and ultimate skin? Would it please the community if Riot did this for any other champion? Like for example, Sona, Miss Fortune, Lux? If it's not a rule, they should make it a rule, unless you support Riot's favoritism Champions like Zilean, Shaco and otheres were among those confirmed for skins this year. Most likely in a much more appropriate theme imo, so we will see them soon enough. Its also not favoritism on Riots part. The community themselves is to blame. The reason champions like Ezreal, Lux, Sona, MF, ect get a high volume of skins is because of their high playrate. Id love to see others get them more often but they have much lower playrates, so those statistics are what make the popular champ skins much more profitable.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:57:16.014+0000) > > Champions like Zilean, Shaco and otheres were among those confirmed for skins this year. Most likely in a much more appropriate theme imo, so we will see them soon enough. > > Its also not favoritism on Riots part. The community themselves is to blame. The reason champions like Ezreal, Lux, Sona, MF, ect get a high volume of skins is because of their high playrate. Id love to see others get them more often but they have much lower playrates, so those statistics are what make the popular champ skins much more profitable. To be honest, I'm not expecting a lot for Zilean and Shaco because Dunkmaster Ivern happened. Even if Zilean does receive a skin, he's nowhere near the level of Ezreal in all aspects of skins: quality, quantity and tier and probably more. Popular champions get skins because of their high playrate and they are profitable for Riot, and I mentioned that in my post. But just being profitable for Riot and specific people, others that play league are not receiving the same sort of treatment. We can't control what other people play, can you blame the community for liking certain champions? If so, using your logic I could just say we should blame people who main champions that have lower playrates because "Why don't you main a champion with hIgHeR pLAYrATe HuH that way you won't be dissatisfied". How is that valid? And it is kind of is favoritism. Although the community likes these champions, doesn't mean Riot HAS TO MAKE SKINS for them. They can decide for themselves. yeah, if they pick popular champions they might profit more, but they had a choice, and they picked profit and not players. People have been complaining about those champions such as Lux, MF, Ez and so so for getting so many skins for a while now, and Riot must've noticed at this point. It's hard for Riot as either they profit less and make the community happy, or they profit more and make the community angry, like I said. But they're not putting it to a balance, they just keep profiting and making the community angry and frustrated. It's ok to profit and you need profit to pay bills, but at this rate they're just milking it.
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=atorelle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:34:31.545+0000) > > "What makes a champion viable for an Ultimate skin? Well: > > The champ has to be at least 3 years old. > We don't want any new champs getting Legendaries or Ultimates. It would just be too unfair. At the time of writing the youngest viable champ is actually Bard. (Did I make you feel old?) > > **The champ must not already have an Ultimate or Legendary skin (that has not been vaulted or are Legacy!).** > > Source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/lK4ze7tj-the-next-ultimate-skin-part-4 You realise that is not a thread made by a Riot employee right?
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:37:56.699+0000) > > You realise that is not a thread made by a Riot employee right? I can't find the original source right now, I'll do a bit of searching later but are you implying that a champion who already has an ultimate skin and a lot of other skins (up there with the champion with most skins) should be eligible for receiving a high-quality legendary skin when some champions like Zilean exist? Even if I can't find a specific rule by Riot, should it even be allowed? Do you even think Ezreal should get a Legendary after his VU and ultimate skin? Would it please the community if Riot did this for any other champion? Like for example, Sona, Miss Fortune, Lux? If it's not a rule, they should make it a rule, unless you support Riot's favoritism
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=atorelle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:27:53.596+0000) > > No, it was a riot skin making rule > champions with ultimate skins would not receive legendary skins as stated before. Not sure if that rule still exists now though, sadly. Source of said "rule"?
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:28:40.878+0000) > > Source of said "rule"? And also, champions with ultimate skins shouldn't receive legendary skins. That already would be unbalanced in terms of shares of skins. I'm pretty sure it's a rule, but if it wasn't, why would you make a legendary skin for a champion who already has a Tier 1 level skin?
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=atorelle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:27:53.596+0000) > > No, it was a riot skin making rule > champions with ultimate skins would not receive legendary skins as stated before. Not sure if that rule still exists now though, sadly. Source of said "rule"?
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:28:40.878+0000) > > Source of said "rule"? "What makes a champion viable for an Ultimate skin? Well: The champ has to be at least 3 years old. We don't want any new champs getting Legendaries or Ultimates. It would just be too unfair. At the time of writing the youngest viable champ is actually Bard. (Did I make you feel old?) **The champ must not already have an Ultimate or Legendary skin (that has not been vaulted or are Legacy!).** Source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/lK4ze7tj-the-next-ultimate-skin-part-4
Sukishoo (NA)
: I dunno if it was really "a rule" per say. It was more just an assumption based on what was currently in game. I've never actually seen Riot say they would never have both a legendary and ultimate for the same champion. Just like how people claimed Ultimate skins were a unique theme, but then pulsefire cait happened. They were just things that hadn't happened yet, so it wasn't that they couldn't.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UZrAgAT7,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-06T04:15:08.873+0000) > > I dunno if it was really "a rule" per say. It was more just an assumption based on what was currently in game. I've never actually seen Riot say they would never have both a legendary and ultimate for the same champion. Just like how people claimed Ultimate skins were a unique theme, but then pulsefire cait happened. > > They were just things that hadn't happened yet, so it wasn't that they couldn't. No, it was a riot skin making rule champions with ultimate skins would not receive legendary skins as stated before. Not sure if that rule still exists now though, sadly.
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: Was this a normal game? If so the answer is simple. Plat is ranked, ranked has a different MMR than normals. If you do not play normals except once in a while.... you are with the other average mmr people in normals which starts out in about bronze area.
> [{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8UaAXAEW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-06T02:05:09.801+0000) > > Was this a normal game? > > If so the answer is simple. Plat is ranked, ranked has a different MMR than normals. If you do not play normals except once in a while.... you are with the other average mmr people in normals which starts out in about bronze area. not sure about that, but then judging by his gameplay he really didn't seem like a plat 3 that's all. even his duo partner master yi which was in bronze seemed to be better. But then again, Master yi is literally right click.
GROMMI (NA)
: LMAO ayyy you got em it made me giggle
> [{quoted}](name=GROMMI,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8UaAXAEW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-06T02:36:21.635+0000) > > LMAO ayyy you got em it made me giggle {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
caw (NA)
: But you the one chat restricted so...
> [{quoted}](name=caw,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8UaAXAEW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-06T02:11:47.616+0000) > > But you the one chat restricted so... that was another game xd its totally worth it, even tho im chat restricted I can still make em shut up
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5050BS (NA)
: Lux is too safe. Her passive damage needs nerfed Her Ult damage needs nerfed Her Root damage also needs nerfed
She has to go in closer to proc her passive which puts her at danger, like I said, no escapes except flash. Her ult damage isn't that overwhelming early/mid unless she's quite fed. Her root damage doesn't do that much early-mid game.
: {{champion:157}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:238}} do counter lux, they also counter... {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:498}} inexcusably well and then proceed to be extremely frustrating towards at least twice as many more champions then that. Lux maybe prey to those three champions as much as many others but she is pretty damn close to being as bad in her own way, at least way more so then most other champions. The only real issue I have with lux is her Q, its dumb. Its is a long range fast projectile with significant total dmg output cause it hits two targets, then being a root with a really long duration on both those targets, just why? Take a look at bard Q cause it is similar... granted it stuns however at lux ranges her root may as well be a stun vs most champions. He has a longer delay on cast, a slower projectile speed, and less range. On top of this he only gets the stun if he hits something behind the first target hit and as the game goes on even if he builds all the same items as lux(not saying one ever should) he will do less dmg. This isn't even considering the fact lux can back up her Q with a metric ton of dmg needing no allies around for it to be worth a lot. Edit: Oh yeah and I forgot to mention her cc lasts a full second longer if I remember correctly. What puts lux in the bin of champs many consider to just be bad for the game is the same issue {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:105}} have. Lux is way less likely and harder for most champions to punish then it is for her to punish them. Your tolerance for mistakes fighting a lux with most other champs is just horribly disproportionate. Is she OP, no, however she is a cancerous shitty match up. Lastly the reason why you see so much Lux is its her relative easy to play hard to play against nature that {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:157}} also benefit from and surprise surprise if these champions are even half decent they are spammed to no end just the same until riot spares rest of us the frustration with nerfs.
I'm simply using Fizz, Zed and Yasuo as an example. They are a counter to squishies, but they are not played bot lane, but moreso in mid lane. As you can obviously tell, my post is more centred around mid Lux. Bard is a support. You can't use Bard as an sufficient example: it's just an invalid comparison, use a mid laner. I could name hundreds of other mid laners who can dumpster Lux: and she isn't hard to play against if you have an idea of what you are doing. If you don't, I don't know, guess you'll die? Here are some more champions that counter Lux in some way: {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:39}} Hope you're slightly more convinced.
: Yes yes, defend your otp all you want. On a sidenote, literally nobody has ever said lux is OP in the entire history of league of legends (outside URF, that is - she's obviously OP in urf because that's the entire point of the game mode.) That you see ONE person in-game say Lux is OP because you got fed on her really doesn't warrant coming to the boards and ranting about her. The only way you could consider her OP in normal play would be that she is extremely easy to get assists with.
Literally nobody? I would question that very much. You just gotta type lux op in your google search bar, more than hundreds of league thread results will come up about her. Also it's not one person at all, it's plenty of people i've talked with actually.
: The only thing I will say is that she often receives seemingly random and unnecessary buffs (IE: Her reset on ulti, when it's already like, a super low CD anyways?). She's never really been underperforming since like, S2. Oh and her hitboxes are fucking psychotic but that's a problem with League as a whole and less-so just her. Certain skins even amplify this problem (Looking at you, Steel Legion)
honestly ive played an entire season of lux but i've never really found her hitboxes psychotic. maybe we're thinking of like THAT one time where the q wasn't supposed to hit you, but neglected the times where it was supposed to hit you but it didn't. Buffs are random sometimes, but then again I feel like she's not a good example, i mean, look at vayne.
Jamaree (NA)
: Who complains about Lux? I don't see anyone but like bronze players complain about Lux.
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Madjack01 (EUW)
: Are those problems exclusive to reworks though?
> [{quoted}](name=Madjack01,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fAYOzJLU,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-11T03:59:02.769+0000) > > Are those problems exclusive to reworks though? it depends, champions become op or whatnot mostly because of how the meta shifts and item buffs, but recently i've seen it quite exclusively in reworked champions.
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: What about {{champion:50}}? I don't think he was ever in the same problem area as {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:266}}.
> [{quoted}](name=Jeddy017,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fAYOzJLU,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-11T03:45:42.228+0000) > > What about {{champion:50}}? I don't think he was ever in the same problem area as {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:266}}. Maybe this is just a problem I face, but when a {{champion:50}} gets 3 kills or something, he snowballs out of control and it feels impossible to shut him down. He's quite dependant on team comps though, but I've heard he's a strong solo queue champion. He pretty much feels like a jack of all trades to me: hes somehow tanky, good burst, cc and some mobility. Riot hasn't nerfed him, but people don't really have a problem with him I don't think, so I think it's safe to say majority of us think he's in a good place right now.
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: ...umm... you need more excitement in your life.
> [{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MyWl7dOn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-04T06:04:15.294+0000) > > ...umm... you need more excitement in your life. i enjoy bad jokes
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