: Morgana is a very problematic champion
Riot should nerf support and buff mid. Like lower the q duration but increased the scaling and increase the cooldown on the spell shield buff, remove the missing hp from the w buff increase its damage on champions only. Those are the changes I personally want to see.
: How do you itemize in lane against a Conqueror Akali as a tank?
? What tanks are you playing? Since by the time she is healing from conqueror you should be leaving. But also probably just don't build anti heal since it's shit vs ap champions as a tank and probably better just to wait out laning.
: Kindred should get a rework like Diana did
Personally I want the old passive back it made the kit work better together and it felt better in my opinion. But I think kindred is in a good spot the main problem I have is that jg sucks. Actually the main problem I have is the people wanting a rework since they don't play the champion and are pretty clueless about the champion. Since they say stuff like they're always broken or bad without any proof since they just hate the champion and nothing else or the people saying wolf needs to be half the champion without realizing that would turn the champion into something else.
: Why has aatrox not been reverted yet?
So he should go back to being a horrible champion that took no skill and that nobody played ok. Like I hate to break this to you but NOBODY LIKE OLD AATROX. Even when he was broken he wasn't played much. Like when he has op his playrate reached around the same playrate as a tank when they're good which means it wasn't good since he is a carry champion and then they're op there playrate is pretty high. Aatrox was a success it give Aatrox actual players.
: Top lane is still the same mess
Please explain to me why no one is playing range champions if they're so op? Since you got ryze in the top 3 but after that vlad is like 15th place then the rest are 20 or lower YOU KNOW PRETTY STANDARD for those champions, the only one is is a outlier is ryze. Pretty weird that the majority of champions being played are melee not range despite them some how being unbeatable. Also range champions have always been in top lane sooooo maybe play them? Maybe the problem is you not the game.
darkdill (NA)
: So SMITE has Team RWBY skins now available, but LoL can't even get a tiny reference?
I personally want more skins themed around a existing IP, was hoping for that with the shonen skins but we didn't get that. Sadly the closest we have gotten were those rap skins a patch ago where riot worked with a horrble company like actually horrible. Personally I want a partnership with pokemon for pokemon skins.
: 0/10/0. Jesus fuck was he *actually* running it down?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HZRzwyFW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-30T11:53:33.083+0000) > > 0/10/0. Jesus fuck was he *actually* running it down? Bty that means basically every 2 mins he died. As swain of all champions like wtf. How does he actually have people watch and take in seriously. This is why there are no top laners on the balance team.
: Remember when i said Senna ADC should be nerfed because it will be broken despite what Riot says?
Hmmmm wow a post that is nothing for bs getting upvotes great. I love that your only reason for her being strong is basically winrate showing you clearly don't understand statistics. Her heal isn't good especially early game so idk why you think she has good sustain o I actually do know why you think that just you haven't even seen or played her and you're just looking at her abilities since you want to complain about something. Like I'm even going to go over more since most of it is you saying them should remove something for no reason other then you going reeee. Guess what her playrate is shit, she is statistically weaker compared to lot of adcs like 4% fucking playrate that isn't good. Having a 4% playrate means you're most likely in need of buffs. Please don't use statistics since you don't understand them, please stop saying champions are op because you want to rant about something, and please give real arguments to why champions are op.
: Hey, don't argue that way please, there is a better way than calling someone a troll and mocking them.
You're 100% right. Like I shouldn't be doing that. But at the same time THIS POST SHOULD NOT HAVE UPVOTES and that fact that it does is really sad. Since it's 100% wrong. But these people will ignore everything just because they want to cry about how old league was so much better. I play jg and jg is pretty shit right now but I'm not going to say it's impossible to jg or riot killed jg since that isn't true. If you think there is a problem give a reason that's true and not bs. Like the main reason is the slow on auto attacks something ashe has had for fucking years and it makes 0 sense to be on a juggernaut instead of going o wait that makes no sense these people go that stuff isn't real and you're a fan boy reeee.
: Can somebody explain why Elder Dragon is so OP?
Magikrap (NA)
: If ADCs can go top lane they are too strong.
Who? {{champion:133}} {{champion:67}} since they have always be able to top. Name one adc that isn't those two with more then a 3% playrate top. Adcs can't top.
: Tencent doesn't force companies to make changes, you're right. It just throws a few billion dollars worth of weight around. That's not forcing. Fast-paced games aren't popular there? Mobile games dominate the market. The Chinese mobile gaming market is one of the largest gaming markets in the industry by a large margin. But you're right, mobile games are super long and strategy focused. I mean, have you seen Raid? That game takes a billion years to play, each time. Got to set aside an entire life-time for each session. Your only point to counter the arguments that others are making is the claim that fast-paced games aren't popular in China and an industry worth a few billion dollars would beg to disagree. But yeah keep calling people racist because you don't know how to actually form an argument. If you're going to keep returning to this single point I am going to need to say *ahem* CITATION PLEASE? Edit: I'd also like to add that this wasn't even my point or argument, your immediate jump to labeling people as a bigot just irritated me enough to address you.
Ummmmmm mobile games are fast paced because THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT OF THEM. Mobile games do well because that is where the majority of people there can play games,they can't afford pc and anyone with half a brain can see that.But the majority of pc games that do well take a lot of time to play. Fast paced pc games don't do well in china so there is 0 fucking reason why they would do that. It's pretty sad you say I used a strawman when you bring up something completely irrelevant to make a argument lol. Here is your argument. "Mobile games do really well in china meaning tencent forces riot to make there game fast paced despite the fact basically all mobile games have to be fast paced,mobile games make a shit load of money in basically every country china has the largest population so it makes fucking sense, and basically all popular games on pc require a lot of time. Also yes tencent does just throw money at companies look at there fucking investments it's all over the place. Like tencent owns are mobile moba that had done very well in china already but riot is also making a moba for mobile meaning tencent is fucking fighting for market share vs it's self. Like no that shows the fucking opposite. Yeah I'm going to call you racist since that's the only way you can actually believe shit that dumb. If you're going to act racist you're a racist. You what to know what games do well in na cod, battle royales, fucking all thesports games. Slow paced games like dota or league are rarely talked about in na. If the developers are from a region that likes fast paced games maybe that is why it's moving in that direction. Instead of blaming riot you blame tencent since they're from a different country so they much be the problem.
: So, first off, China isn't a race it is a country. Chinese isn't a race, it is a nationality. Putting your straw-man of the guy's point aside, Tencent literally owns Riot. Tencent is a massive Chinese company with a long track record and history of pushing bad market trends in favor of China's mobile gaming market. They don't care about the rest of the world. They are the reason we have mobile games coming out of riot (as announced at the 10th-anniversary special). To say that they don't have a massive amount of pull and sway is not only intellectually disingenuous but factually incorrect. Do you want to argue against his point? Fine, go for it. But argue against his point, not some wild out of left field straw-man you pulled out of thin air. Arguments by order of validity: Valid = The Chinese pull on the market is not responsible for the current game state. Invalid = The Chinese do not have a pull on the market Invalid = the Chinese do not have a large and dominant influence over League Invalid = You're racist.
My straw man is using demographics to say why it's wrong. I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW WHAT A STRAW MAN IS. Tencent doesn't force it companies to make changes and thinking that probably means you are racist since you are going against basically all proof and reason to do it. Why would tencent go against basically all market research to what you're saying? Again fast paced games aren't popular there, the games that are popular requires lot of hours to be put in. Like again fast paced games work in NA not china. So if anything it's opposite if tencent is doing that. Like give a real argument not your racist paranoid nonsense.
: why do they keep making champions that are so overloaded?
Ummmmm you know that nothing you said is true right? Older champions are usually bad because of poor design right? Both those champions aren't overloaded you are mixing up complex and overloaded. Overloaded is something that gives a champion too much. Ornn when he had his shield and his cc negate was overloaded while having a pretty simple kit not counting the passive. He had to lose something since having both of them made him too strong.
Yoosias (EUW)
: Towershield gold should be removed
So early game champions are bad ok. The point of them is so towers don't get taken early but early game champions still get a reward. Also if someone is getting all the gold from a tower YOU'RE afk like that is very hard to do. Your post is basically just " I don't want to learn how to lane give me a free lane"
: Why are Pyke and Senna allowed to be exempt from the support changes?
Pyke is pretty bad bty. Both also pyke needs gold since he is a assassin, and senna build path is pretty bad. Ad items cost more then support items meaning ad supports need more gold.
CyberPhobic (EUNE)
: So you think Vlad is a balanced champion? You believe Ryze is in a good place? You think Quinn top is fine?
Ryze needs nerfs, vlad needs a full rework other then that he is fine maybe a small nerf, and I pretty sure quinn needs buffs. Also all those champions are top laners they have always been there pretty much.
CyberPhobic (EUNE)
: When Im autofilled support I cant exactly pick Darius or Mordekaiser bot
Because most of those range champions have always been top laners. Like vlad if anything is more of a top then a mid. I also love that you act like melee champions aren't being played despite them being the most played champions there still. Currently the top 5 most played top laners in diamond are Aatrox,mord,fiora,ryze and darius. Also the next range champion is vlad with a 5% playrate at fucking 15th place. Range champions aren't being played. It's basically ryze that is the outlier. Maybe try learning how to play vs them since clearly they're not being played for a reason.
: In the last revision, {{champion:266}} received true power. Experienced players played on it and he had 1.53% pick rate 57% win rate, he was like {{champion:13}} and now {{champion:136}}
No he wasn't. He was horrible. That is why they buffed him to be broken af at the end. He had that winrate because he was a skill less carry nothing else.
: Mordekaiser
Are you sure it's not that you're team comp was horrible, you and your top fed. Like they were going to win if there top was darius or someone else. Like this shows you have no clue wtf to do vs mord "All he had to do was flash banish my arc, and heal his way to victory." Like you know the adc isn't everything right? You know the enemy is down a player also right? You know your neeko and it's basically impossible for a mord to kill you right? Especially with that build right? Like you know you didn't have %pen in a 40 min game right? Like how about you try learn about how to fight a champion before complaining in fact I'm pretty sure that the fact he was mord give you a chance. Since if that was a darius or renekton that fed you would of lost Much faster. Please don't say a champion is op when he is fed since it means nothing.
: Who remembers the old Aatrox?
Apparently not not the people that want him back. Since they thought he was perfectly balanced and that more then like 7 people actually mained him. Old Aatrox was either a shit champion or broken and took almost no skill to play that almost nobody played. Also xin is basically the same champion but actually can be balanced sooo. Also I don't think you know anything about new or old Aatrox going from you calling him riven 2.0 when they play very differently.
: Hotfix: Turret plating gold nerf and Drake nerfs
Why are we nerfing dragon gold? Like why not remove it 25 is basically nothing.
: the torturing of ornn
Ornn was fucking horrible on release wtf are you talking about? He became popular after riot changed the w to max health and he did basically all your hp.
: Kog maw Ratio ap buff for preseason ( first marksman ap carry)
No kog should be on hit and only on hit. Also Kai'Sa and corki are both ap. Kog is supposed to be focused around attack speed nothing else.
: Theres overloaded champs, and then theres aphelios
I think you should stop using the word overloaded. Complex yes, overloaded no. He has trade offs and windows to fight him, like he seems pretty easy to kill, his only cc is a fucking slow that only roots if he has already auto attacked them meaning champions like zed or even supports like leona who can lock him down will be a pretty big problem for him. Overloaded means it has way more then it needs, like ornm shield, or akali healing. Actually ornn is a pretty good example his kit is pretty simple not counting the passive but it's was very overloaded with he had cc immunity and a shield actually the shield in general made him pretty overloaded due how he used it. It doesn't mean it has too much in it. Swain's kit has a lot especially after the passive changes but it's not overloaded. Sona's kit on paper sounds overloaded and complex but in game it's not.
: If you aren't speaking some form of Chinese Riot won't hear you. :^)
When you don't have a clue about demographics, but you still make a point like that. I think you're most likely racist. NEWFLASH china likes slow paced games, it's NA that has games like cod and fortnite taking over. Like the most played game in china is a mmo,and the most played shooter is a csgo clone meaning like 40 min games. Smite is much faster then league it's not popular in china it's popular in the west. Pretty weird that the only games that are popular there are the ones that require a shit load of investment into them.
Zeanix (OCE)
: Can we bring back Taliyah midlane?
Can we make karthus a mid laner again while where at it. Riot really fucked taliyah with there changes which is sad since she is a fun champion. I wish riot would buff the e so she is a hard counter to dash champions. Also give her back her aoe.
BlackXIV (EUW)
: You only get more xp if you permafarm and, therefore, don't pressure the map which is your ACTUAL job
Maybe if you suck at farming. But overall it's a net buff.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: For fuck's sake. There's enough removed champions in the game already. At least let the OG's keep whatever made them fucking unique.
Point and click cc makes him unique? And here I thought it was the fear,ult ,being awful, getting buffs for standing still and just being scary but I guess not. It's his point and click cc nothing else.
Rockman (NA)
: What's your favorite Eevee?
Sylveon I just love it's design, and how it evolves since it's pretty different from most pokemon. It is also a pretty strong pokemon meaning you're not evolving it for nothing. I remember in x and y I was so happy getting it since it required you do actually do something for it, and also the fact that fairy fucks dragons made it also pretty nice. I also spent like 2 hours getting eevee in sword then even more time training it to be a Sylveon.
DatPolak (NA)
: JG XP SUCKS THIS PATCH
Since that isn't how xp works. Also have you even played jg? Since it sounds like you have no clue wtf you're talking about since if camps respawn faster that means you have more xp even with the nerfs to xp.
: Leona passive Idea
No, Not every champion needs to have multiple roles. She is a support and should be only a support.
: You must be a tank player because with all the damage in the game right now everyone but a tank player gets 2-3 shot late game with elder that turns it into 2 shot and any assassin 1 shot
LOL tanks get hit the hardest wtf. Yeah so you people don't actually understand how numbers work got it. So most non tank champions die at around 400 to 500 hp that isn't lot, think about how many times you survived a late game fight with less then 500 hp as a mage since you don't. Most adcs auto for a higher amount that late. It's is bad but it's not op or a auto win at all. You can win a team fight vs a team with the buff. Also if you are getting one shot my a assassin more then 30 mins in you're afk. Like you really don't seem to have a actually understanding of the game. Not to mention you can zhonya's it, or kindred ult stops it. So there is ways around it too. Lot of ad champions get GA making it less useful. It's a great buff to give a team a comeback or give a edge on a team fight. But for the most part baron is WAY better at ending since when you are that late and what to end it's most likely because of a hard time pushing not winning team fights.
: Just make elder dragon just an auto win the game objective.
A auto win are you trolling? Do you actually understand how much 20% is late game since it's not a auto win, BARON IS STILL BETTER if you want to close games out. Like damage sounds good but there you realize that's all it is basically. Like maybe try think before making a post. Since it's not a auto win unless the enemy is afk.
: Games are Still one sided
Well they haven't change anything to do with matchmaking which is the main issue with it.
iLLp (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LMaliaiV,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-11-24T00:09:36.246+0000) > > Why you lying? You're unranked and you don't play. Only proving my point. because this account is banned https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=iLLpassion https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=PhantomPrankster like i said, dont talk down to people when you have the skill set of a peasant.
> [{quoted}](name=iLLp,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LMaliaiV,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-24T00:39:22.153+0000) > > because this account is banned > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=iLLpassion > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=PhantomPrankster > > like i said, dont talk down to people when you have the skill set of a peasant. Guy how about you fuck off and deal with the fact you have 0 clue wtf you're talking about. You have way more ranked games then me and I'm 90% sure you're still lying.
iLLp (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=iLLp,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LMaliaiV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-23T21:28:43.579+0000) > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=boriccentaur1 i love how you shit talk me with a 43% winrate silver 2 account > > meanwhile i have two accounts in gold playing two different roles. > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} before you try to question someone's skill how about you clean up your own account first. Why you lying? You're unranked and you don't play. Only proving my point.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fhh6Oidw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-23T01:32:59.008+0000) > > 5% is fucking nothing that's like 100 maybe 200 damage WHICH DOESN'T DO ANYTHING LATE GAME. Like a champion with 3000 will die at 150 that's nothing and I mean nothing. > > Are you people just looking at percents and not actually what it means like 20% sounds like lot but in reality it's like a crit auto worth of hp. Uhhh 20% of your hp is 1/5th of your hp no matter how much hp you have, and no matter what dmg mitigation/healing you would have had for that hp. I think you might not understand %'s because you're trying to dress down just how much 20% is(its ONE FIFTH OF YOUR HP NO MATTER HOW MUCH HP YOU HAVE).
Are you fucking kidding me? IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG IT SOUNDS SINCE IT'S NOT LOT. Here is your post "OMG IT SOUNDS BIG REEEEE" THERE DONE. Again I just showed it's not a lot. 20% hp from a champion that has 600 this is around the highest it can do and it's vs a tank,it's not small amount but it's huge at all. It's a late game buff it's supposed to be good. Lot of champions have a hard time killing minions from the baron buff does that mean it's op no it means it good and worth to get.
: Just Nerf Elder Execute to 5% and I'm sure people will stop complaining
5% is fucking nothing that's like 100 maybe 200 damage WHICH DOESN'T DO ANYTHING LATE GAME. Like a champion with 3000 will die at 150 that's nothing and I mean nothing. Are you people just looking at percents and not actually what it means like 20% sounds like lot but in reality it's like a crit auto worth of hp.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 22
Yenn (NA)
: Can whoever designed Omnistone explain who is intended to use it, and why they would choose it?
It's so fucking bad it's not funny like they should of made it so you can pick what you get that would be good. Having it be rng ruins it for champions since there will always be a best keystone for a game no matter who you are. Like why remove a actually good rune that gives people a choice for a shit rune that is basically for trolls?
Neriticc (EUW)
: Who actually thought the Elder Dragon execute is a good idea?
When you completely ignore all the counter play and how little 800 damage is like 30 mins in. Like if you lose it and can't fight because of it then don't fight back off and clear waves they're not more tanky.
: so?? top lane just has to be trash forever?? How is that ok
Ummmm no top lane is for range and melee champions and given the fact melee champions are more played then range I think it's not a problem.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h2AE9uT7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-21T21:12:26.012+0000) > > And you saying lethality is a way to deal with tanks shows your post has nothing right in it. Since you clearly don't play and understand tanks and items. > > Armor counters lethality. > > Like 90% of what you said came be solved by saying go play tanks. From the Wiki: "Lethality is a new statistic introduced in Season 2017 to replace flat armor penetration. It grants flat armor penetration using the following formula: Flat Armor Penetration = LETHALITY × (0.6 + 0.4 × level ÷ 18). The target's armor is treated as being reduced by an amount for purposes of damage calculation, but cannot be reduced below 0. Flat armor penetration. Example 1: 20 lethality causes a target(level 18) to take damage as if its armor was 20 less, so a target with 30 armor will be treated as though it had 10 for purposes of damage calculation (the target's actual armor value will not change, however)." You do realize that building more armor works for armor pen too right? What you said is ignorant. Let's look at your average tank top lane build: {{item:3068}}, ({{item:3075}} or {{item:3143}} or {{item:3110}}), ({{item:3025}} or {{item:3001}}) , {{item:3800}}, ({{item:3047}} or {{item:3111}}), {{item:3083}} or {{item:3065}}. Now let's build a straight armor build: {{item:3068}}, {{item:3075}}, {{item:3143}}, {{item:3110}}, ({{item:3025}} or{{item:3512}}), and {{item:3047}}. That's a total of 395 or 385 armor depending on if you buy Iceborne or ZZ. That is a lot. Let's build against tanks: ({{item:3033}} or {{item:3036}}), {{item:3142}}, ({{item:3814}} or {{item:3147}}), {{item:3071}}, {{item:3153}}, and ({{item:3047}} or {{item:3111}}). That's 39 or 28 lethality with 25 or 35 armor pen and 24 percent armor reduction. Congratulations! You have effectively went from 395 armor to 145.96 or 187.17 armor. Think it's Bullshit? I've done the math, looked at the items, and researched how they worked. Black Cleaver stacks onto the armor penetration. Lethality is flat armor. Yes and armor pen is percent of total armor. So adding all the items together you get those numbers. MIND YOU, we still have BOTRK. So, whatever health you have, it's getting melted. Also, you have the MR side which is worse. There's less MR items for tanks and mages have better MR penetration than ADCs have Armor penetration. Tanks usually build half and half, so they're getting rear-ended by everything with nothing to counter it. Tanks are still squishy. As a result, many players play tanks that can either deal percent health damage or can deal damage with their items. No one, well the majority of players do not play tanks for the sake of soaking damage anymore. And to be honest, that number could actually be lower. From what I heard, armor reduction multiplies with armor penetration. Armor pen and armor reduction are different. I just added them instead of multiplying them for simple purposes.
> [{quoted}](name=okamiyasha95,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h2AE9uT7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-22T01:35:38.327+0000) > > From the Wiki: > "Lethality is a new statistic introduced in Season 2017 to replace flat armor penetration. It grants flat armor penetration using the following formula: Flat Armor Penetration = LETHALITY × (0.6 + 0.4 × level ÷ 18). The target's armor is treated as being reduced by an amount for purposes of damage calculation, but cannot be reduced below 0. Flat armor penetration. > > Example 1: 20 lethality causes a target(level 18) to take damage as if its armor was 20 less, so a target with 30 armor will be treated as though it had 10 for purposes of damage calculation (the target's actual armor value will not change, however)." > > You do realize that building more armor works for armor pen too right? What you said is ignorant. > > Let's look at your average tank top lane build: {{item:3068}}, ({{item:3075}} or {{item:3143}} or {{item:3110}}), ({{item:3025}} or {{item:3001}}) , {{item:3800}}, ({{item:3047}} or {{item:3111}}), {{item:3083}} or {{item:3065}}. > > Now let's build a straight armor build: {{item:3068}}, {{item:3075}}, {{item:3143}}, {{item:3110}}, ({{item:3025}} or{{item:3512}}), and {{item:3047}}. That's a total of 395 or 385 armor depending on if you buy Iceborne or ZZ. > > That is a lot. Let's build against tanks: ({{item:3033}} or {{item:3036}}), {{item:3142}}, ({{item:3814}} or {{item:3147}}), {{item:3071}}, {{item:3153}}, and ({{item:3047}} or {{item:3111}}). That's 39 or 28 lethality with 25 or 35 armor pen and 24 percent armor reduction. > > Congratulations! You have effectively went from 395 armor to 145.96 or 187.17 armor. Think it's Bullshit? I've done the math, looked at the items, and researched how they worked. Black Cleaver stacks onto the armor penetration. Lethality is flat armor. Yes and armor pen is percent of total armor. So adding all the items together you get those numbers. MIND YOU, we still have BOTRK. So, whatever health you have, it's getting melted. > > Also, you have the MR side which is worse. There's less MR items for tanks and mages have better MR penetration than ADCs have Armor penetration. > > Tanks usually build half and half, so they're getting rear-ended by everything with nothing to counter it. Tanks are still squishy. As a result, many players play tanks that can either deal percent health damage or can deal damage with their items. No one, well the majority of players do not play tanks for the sake of soaking damage anymore. > > And to be honest, that number could actually be lower. From what I heard, armor reduction multiplies with armor penetration. Armor pen and armor reduction are different. I just added them instead of multiplying them for simple purposes. JUST GO PLAY TANKS you clearly have no clue wtf they do. Lethality works vs base armor once someone starts build armor it is too much and the stat becomes less effective. For a assassin like zed to kill a tank like idk maokai he has to around 4000 damage when the pen included if they're building 50/50 and if there is a ad assassin it will not be 50/50. This is the best case scenario for a assassin to kill a tank. That is way too much for a burst champion to do. Now a adc like ashe she would take about 2300 damage I think to kill probably less. You see the problem here right? Like do the math please like you haven't done the math at fucking all. "You have effectively went from 395 armor to 145.96 or 187.17 armor." Like IF A ASSASSIN BUILDS TO KILL TANKS GUESS WHAT THEY DO 0 Damage wtf. They also do burst damage meaning black cleaver will not be at 24 stacks for the majority of the damage. Stop with this bs and play tanks they're fine. The only poeple that say tanks are bad is people like you since you don't play them.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNA3iAv1,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-11-21T21:16:06.914+0000) > > Ummmm what? If she gets to late game then yeah she is really good BUT THAT IS YOUR FAULT NOT THE GAME. > > Once she gets range SHE STILL DOES NOTHING IN TERMS OF DAMAGE basically every champion beats her. Nothing she has is good in the early game her mana cost are a bit high while having pretty low damage due to her needing items to help her auto. Idc that she does good damage late game. If she wasn't a ranged bully all lane into all melee matchups it would be fine. The cancer is the archetype of bully in lane and outscale anyways
She can't bully unless you afk or you're playing nasus. Again she doesn't do damage early on. Just kill her it's not hard.
: Top lane is unplayable
Range champions are part of top lane deal with it or don't play top lane. Also the fact the majority of top laners that are being played are melee shows that is not true.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNA3iAv1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-21T21:08:48.539+0000) > > Ummmm learn how to lane? Like if kayle is beating you in lane you are clearly just afk. Meh, I see this misconception a lot, because people don't realize she's been pretty much the best top in the game for multiple patches now and completely dumpsters everyone once she gets her range. The issue I am trying to discuss in this thread isn't kayle anyway It's the fact that more than half the time I play top I have to play against the kayle archetype of champion. Ranged bully in lane outscale because reasons, free win
Ummmm what? If she gets to late game then yeah she is really good BUT THAT IS YOUR FAULT NOT THE GAME. Once she gets range SHE STILL DOES NOTHING IN TERMS OF DAMAGE basically every champion beats her. Nothing she has is good in the early game her mana cost are a bit high while having pretty low damage due to her needing items to help her auto.
: The Resolve Tree Isn't Tanky Enough
And you saying lethality is a way to deal with tanks shows your post has nothing right in it. Since you clearly don't play and understand tanks and items. Armor counters lethality. Like 90% of what you said came be solved by saying go play tanks.
: Can we nerf kayle and ranged tops directly yet?
Ummmm learn how to lane? Like if kayle is beating you in lane you are clearly just afk.
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: season 10 is just season 9 part two
If you feel like there is too much damage you are most likely feeding.
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