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Infernape (EUW)
: Well that could happen, but Riot rarely ever does map specific balancing. Unless it's for glaring issues like Dark Harvest. Then again, "glaring" issues includes champs like Sona and Fiddle and they've been left untouched for years so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Precision on every single champion is a glaring issue. Some champions have no use for the attack speed from Precision, but takes it anyways because Triumph is OP.
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Hadhar (NA)
: ETA on Aram Warmong replacement?
Triumph has been broken since preseason, dashes have been bugged since latest patch. There's more pressing issues than {{item:3083}} NERF TRIUMPH, NERF TRIUMPH, NERF TRIUMPH
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: Singed in ARAM runes/items?
NERF TRIUMPH NERF TRIUMPH NERF TRIUMPH Default rune page for basicly ever melee champion in aram. I know what you're thinking "But Singed doesn't have an auto attack". Fleet Footwork allows you to sustain early off minions. The minor resolve runes are great, and everyone needs Triumph. So instead of going for the shitty unreliable Resolve keystones, you take Fleet Footwork that at least does something for you. NERF TRIUMPH NERF TRIUMPH NERF TRIUMPH
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D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Removing Runes: Yay or Nay?
Removing runes will fix aram. It's Triumph in every game, and Dark Harvest in half.
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: Triumph has already been nerfed like 2 or 3 times. It's fine where it is atm. Dark Harvest is only better on ARAM. It's complete ass on SR aside from a select few champions that use it well.
Should have mentioned aram in the post. Some players don't know about the Dark Harvest nerf, so they miss that the post was about aram. I'll edit it in.
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: Then just use it and stop complaining. It is a lot easier to take an item out of a mode than nerf a keystone only in a particular mode.
I do, and I benefit greatly from them, and everyone not aware of the snowball runes’ strength will lose more games. Someone fucks up early, and I may just get a free win. Think of the prisoner’s dilemma. Taking snowball runes is reducing the overall enjoyment of the game mode, but it’s still the optimal choice every game. Also the argument comes from an incredibly tryhard point of view. I play aram for fun, and taking the same rune every game isn’t really fun. It's a lot easier to take a rune off a game mode, than trying to fine tune an item.
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Sukishoo (NA)
: Third party sites as always, so cute. Everyone knows those don't show accurate info.
You literally just said that you didn't see Dark Harvest in your 5 latest arams. It may not be 100% accurate, but you're definetly very low mmr.
Sukishoo (NA)
: lel u can't see the mmr
: please actually buff aram towers or adjust the algorithm or something
Are people really totally oblivious to the fact that Dark Harvest procs on towers, and is the reason the towres get rekt so hard?
Sukishoo (NA)
: I just played like 5 games on ARAM and never saw DH once. So dunno what you're still on about.
Good for you, but your aram mmr is 1260, the bottom 20%. Improve your gameplay a little, and you'd start seeing it more.
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: technically everyone can use it but since the damage is adaptive it's a pretty bad rune for champions that don't build damage, particularly magic penetration and lethality
c = (Souls + stacks) * penetration a = adaptive scaling * penetration x = AP or AD damage = a*x + c the constant term c is signifcantly higher, since there's +4 souls from cannons every 25 seconds, and every champion death you can pick up a soul. The x becomes irrelevant. Since the base damage is so high, it encourages building tanky to survive for another Dark Harvest proc.
: Just run dark harvest then. I mean its just aram. Untill they make it 100% random with all champion unlocked and 5+ hour dodge timers its worthless to try to balance.
Well I made an [faq]( with all the common objections against enforcing the snowball rune ban. I can copy paste the relevant piece: Why don’t you just take the runes yourself? I do, and I benefit greatly from them, and everyone not aware of the snowball runes’ strength will lose more games. Someone fucks up early, and I may just get a free win. Think of the prisoner’s dilemma. Taking snowball runes is reducing the overall enjoyment of the game mode, but it’s still the optimal choice every game.
: The community has been asking you for months now.
I notice in your games, you don't take Triumph nearly as much as you should. There's no situation where 20 gold +12% missing health heal isn't optimal. Funnily enough melee champions with Dark Harvest actually has some counterplay: Survive the burst by being just tanky enough. For ranged champion, yeah 0 counterplay. And regarding {{summoner:32}} , I have two questions: Why not just sidestep the slow moving skillshot? And why wasn't the melee champion instantly stunned for taking the Dash.
: The community has been asking you for months now.
Melee champions lol what? There's no melee component to Dark Harvest. Ranged champion has a significantly easier time auto attacking every once in a while.
: > [{quoted}](name=my waifu Taliyah,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwasFOER,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-05-04T03:13:02.026+0000) > > So funny and predictable. [Dark Harvestism](, my prediction that every aram player's opinion of Dark Harvest will evolve. > > [Your position 2 months ago]( stage 1 of Dark Harvestism. > > Your position now: Stage 2 of Dark Harvestism this is probably my 5th or 6th post since release on the rune in terms of ARAM. Anything that even looks like sheen is dangerous to aram.
The problem is not that it looks like Sheen (a perfectly fine item). It looks too much like Mejai's (an item that have been banned since back when aram was a custom game mode in 2010)
Pika Fox (NA)
: Like literally every single other rune tree and keustone in the game?
No, not really, most of them are not usable The rest of the keystones are not really viable, and here is a quick run down of why. Too long cooldown for the game mode: Electrocute, Predator, Aftershock, Guardian Directly competing with Dark Harvest: Press the Attack, Lethal Tempo, Conqueror, Electrocute,Grasp, Klepto, Glacial Augment Additional notes: You don’t want to attack the same target 3 times in a row.Conqueror and Grasp is a lot of effort to have the proc ready, and it falls off fast. Simply sucks in the game mode: Phase Rush , Unsealed Spellbook That leaves you with Dark Harvest, Fleet Footwork, Arcane Comet, and Summoner Aerie.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Its still not all that great. Certain champs that need the scaling damage can use it, but thats largely it. Most find better use elsewhere. Its fun for the memes on damage champs, but thats largely it.
Dark Harvest is actually better than Electrocute early game. Wave spawn timer is 25 seconds, so you'll get a Dark Harvest proc ready every 25 seconds. So Electrocute is 70 base damage on a 47 sec cooldown, while Dark Harvest is 45 base damage on a 25 sec cooldown. Also consider that it's way easier to proc Dark Harvest (auto once) than Electrocute (attack 3 times). Also this is the worst case scenario from Dark Harvest, in that no one from either team dies, so you'll have to completely rely on the stacks from the cannon minions.
Pika Fox (NA)
: I disagree; there is room for debate, because its good on a lot of champs in aram that generally arent the greatest or need the quick boost in damage to stay relevant in aram else the mages will just zone them out forever and wipe the floor with them.
So funny and predictable. [Dark Harvestism](, my prediction that every aram player's opinion of Dark Harvest will evolve. [Your position 2 months ago]( stage 1 of Dark Harvestism. Your position now: Stage 2 of Dark Harvestism
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: Is the keyword "dark harvest proc"?
You got it! I queue up for a random champion, but I'm still going to play every single champion the exact same way. Wait for a Dark Harvest proc, go in , disengage.
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: Triumph and Presence of Mind function *very* differently from Mejai's. One is a *lot* of AP stacked for basically free. The others are some extra gold and restoration. A fully stacked Mejai's is only 13 less AP than a single Rabadon's unto itself (120 AP+40% from passive), for only about 40% of the price. And it'll be stacked basically all the time.
You forgot to mention that Triumph and PoM is one minor rune slot, while Mejai's is 1400 gold.
Nahui (NA)
: And why is this such a big deal?
Same reason Mejai's would be a big deal in aram. Since aram is constant teamfighting, those runes gets 5 times stronger than they would be on SR. My last aram game ended with 59 takedowns, while the game before that was 44 takedowns. You can see that you gain significantly more return on those runes than you would in Summoner's Rift, and that they break the game when enabled.
Nahui (NA)
: What are these snowball runes?
Eedat (NA)
: Why are you putting some random dude on blast?
Because he's part of Riot's balance team and taking snowball runes in all his arams.
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: You have a wealth of things to nitpick, and you choose the one where everyone takes a mastery that gives 12% of their max health per kill/assist in a literal "just for fun" game mode where they can't recall back to base to restore health?
That's the point. They can't restore health, but they can anyways because Triumph.
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: I'm still watching...
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: Dark Harvest on ARAM
I have made daily posts about removing DH from aram for 9 days, yet not a single response from Riot.
: Dark Harvest in ARAM is overbearing
No nedd to fine tune monitor DH, just remove it.
: This sounds more like a sample size issue than a balance issue. Dark Harvest has a 2.54% pick rate on Ziggs relative to the number of games played on him. Because there are so few players playing with the rune, it's hard to gauge how strong Ziggs actually is with the mastery. Suppose we put Glacial Augment into the Ziggs picture, and it has a hypothetical 94% winrate and a .1% playrate. You can't accurately determine if the rune is overpowered or is being used by Ziggs mains who know how to play him well and could win regardless of the rune they're using. It's likely that Dark Harvest is the same deal here.
: > [{quoted}](name=my waifu Taliyah,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EnBvdydm,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-01T09:56:40.760+0000) > I will make daily aram posts until Riot fixes.[/img]
Pika Fox (NA)
: Thats.... not a dark harvest is OP issue, thats a some champions are clearly leagues better than others in aram issue...
I took account Ziggs overall win rate and compared him with the win rate with Dark Harvest. How Ziggs compares to other champions is not relevant for this discussion.
obsesse (NA)
: How to properly word this: Players who take Dark Harvest on Ziggs in ARAM have a higher w/r than players who take X. Also, ARAM players suck. I find it pretty balanced that even the best ARAM players still hover around 50% w/r.
The 50% win rate is the results of the matchmaking. If you lose a lot, you get placed with easier opponents and vice versa.
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: Where are these mmr numbers coming from? And also, are you saying 2500 mmr is low? Was under the impression that at least for SR, 2500 was like master mmr.
2500 is not low, but if you are going around and making a "u suck" comment like that, then yeah, probably shouldn't be lower than my own.
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