cQaAlma (NA)
: Hey, can we finally get a nerf on assassins? It's been like seven years of them being braindead op.
Before it used to be "Can I dodge a skill shot or two from this assassin?" Now it's "Am I close enough for this assassin to 1 shot me?"
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: I understand toplane mains better now
Lol. From a Syndra main, just walk sideways not back when she summons an orb to avoid the stun.
: {{champion:39}} : Too much dashes... Since the rework, she is a problem to balance. Riot has to nerf her to the dumpster to make her not oppresive but she is still cancer if good played. The biggest mistake of riot about Irelia rework was to make her resolve around her Q. She is supposed to be a fighter, not an assassin. {{champion:555}} : One of the worst designed champion in the game, his ultimate should never have existed because it's broken and stupid... The whole champ concept is stupid. {{champion:43}} : Her kit is so meaningless that only her numbers decide if she is good or not. Old karma was way better. {{champion:350}} : Not fun to play against, can't hit her and she is op in Pro plays... Bad concept, bad story, bad character... This champ is a failure. {{champion:23}} : His ultimate should be removed from the game. {{champion:84}} : Yeah, her new kit is a pain to balance. About {{champion:145}}, i think her kit could be fine if she didn't have this dmg. They need to nerf her dmg, then she will be less opressive. Her kit isn't cancerous or something, it's only the ratios and the dmg who is too high.
> [{quoted}](name=StormBladeMaster,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tziI8MHv,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-10-15T18:05:53.960+0000) > > {{champion:39}} : Too much dashes... Since the rework, she is a problem to balance. Riot has to nerf her to the dumpster to make her not oppresive but she is still cancer if good played. The biggest mistake of riot about Irelia rework was to make her resolve around her Q. She is supposed to be a fighter, not an assassin. > > > {{champion:555}} : One of the worst designed champion in the game, his ultimate should never have existed because it's broken and stupid... The whole champ concept is stupid. > > {{champion:43}} : Her kit is so meaningless that only her numbers decide if she is good or not. Old karma was way better. > > {{champion:350}} : Not fun to play against, can't hit her and she is op in Pro plays... Bad concept, bad story, bad character... This champ is a failure. > > {{champion:23}} : His ultimate should be removed from the game. > > {{champion:84}} : Yeah, her new kit is a pain to balance. > > About {{champion:145}}, i think her kit could be fine if she didn't have this dmg. They need to nerf her dmg, then she will be less opressive. Her kit isn't cancerous or something, it's only the ratios and the dmg who is too high. Thing is that Irelia she can only dash to you once unless you get hit with the stun or ult. Dodge her stun and she is MUCH easier to play against.
: Thats because she is a diver not a DUELIST. Riot didn't intend for irelia to be a skirmisher.
> [{quoted}](name=TracyzDgDqF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f0ckJIE0,comment-id=000a0001,timestamp=2019-10-15T15:22:06.613+0000) > > Thats because she is a diver not a DUELIST. Riot didn't intend for irelia to be a skirmisher. Who else is a diver?
floo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f0ckJIE0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-14T21:47:30.254+0000) > > Last time I said Irelia should get a buff I got downvoted too. They hate her on these forums. I think those are all good buffs. I would like some more tankiness in her stats because it's not fun when she's gets down to 1/3 HP after rotation from any bruiser. You can be happy if you survive with 1/3 of your hp against a fight with a bruiser in this meta. If you're wondering why people hate Irelia, it's because she one of those champs who revolve the entire game around themselves by simply existing. Right now she's been nerfed into the ground to be acceptable to play against. Similar candidate is Sylas, who suffers the same fate, but Riot doesn't learn. I'd want to get Irelia in a playable spot too, but not if she becomes another Yasuo, Pyke, Akali again..
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f0ckJIE0,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2019-10-15T09:37:44.399+0000) > > You can be happy if you survive with 1/3 of your hp against a fight with a bruiser in this meta. > > If you're wondering why people hate Irelia, it's because she one of those champs who revolve the entire game around themselves by simply existing. Right now she's been nerfed into the ground to be acceptable to play against. Similar candidate is Sylas, who suffers the same fate, but Riot doesn't learn. I'd want to get Irelia in a playable spot too, but not if she becomes another Yasuo, Pyke, Akali again.. But at least make her still playable like Akali.
Kazekiba (NA)
: Thats why theyre nerfing him.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEWG9lhQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-15T00:54:34.641+0000) > > Thats why theyre nerfing him. He's saying how did a champion this broken get thru testing in the first place?
: Maybe because Irelia’s old ult used to win her every teamfight. Btw disarm prevents you from attacking, and that includes abilities. Jax doesnt stop you from attacking, he just blocks your shit. You can still attack a different target, and use abulities on jax. Irelia, you cant aa or use abilities. Which one sounds more bullshit to you? Do you even read abilities?
> [{quoted}](name=MrSîsterFister,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f0ckJIE0,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-10-15T00:47:23.040+0000) > > Maybe because Irelia’s old ult used to win her every teamfight. Btw disarm prevents you from attacking, and that includes abilities. Jax doesnt stop you from attacking, he just blocks your shit. You can still attack a different target, and use abulities on jax. Irelia, you cant aa or use abilities. Which one sounds more bullshit to you? Do you even read abilities? I don't think you can read well because according to the league wiki it only prohibited AA and enhanced AA like Nasus Q. I also like the fact you disregarded the fact that it's an ultimate, not a base ability that's on a 6 second cool down like Jax. Irelia's ult can come up every 56 seconds LATE game. Also, it's a skill shot and it can be baited out. And they also recently nerfed the range on it too.
8Belthazor8 (EUNE)
: I'd trade a Garen nerf for a Jax nerf anytime
It's so weird that they removed the disarm from Irelia's ult but Jax has his anti AA ability up every 6 seconds.
: I have an idea to nerf Jax and Garen and Fiora : Buff {{champion:39}} Make her passive stack duration longer, reduce the max stacks to 4 and add a AD ratio to her W and her R. Also buff the substain on Q when she dash. Problem solved.
> [{quoted}](name=StormBladeMaster,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f0ckJIE0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-14T18:30:35.085+0000) > > I have an idea to nerf Jax and Garen and Fiora : Buff {{champion:39}} > > > Make her passive stack duration longer, reduce the max stacks to 4 and add a AD ratio to her W and her R. Also buff the substain on Q when she dash. > > > Problem solved. Last time I said Irelia should get a buff I got downvoted too. They hate her on these forums. I think those are all good buffs. I would like some more tankiness in her stats because it's not fun when she's gets down to 1/3 HP after rotation from any bruiser.
Wen294 (EUW)
: Watch her have stupid good synergy with thresh like lucian does for even more pure irony.
> [{quoted}](name=Wen294,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YY3YpF6w,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-11T19:51:11.267+0000) > > Watch her have stupid good synergy with thresh like lucian does for even more pure irony. Have you ever played against Braum and Lucian?
Neriticc (EUW)
: So everyone is crying that Garen is broken for one patch, meanwhile...
Riot wants some champions to be above a 50% win rate because they were designed to be like that. Other examples are {{champion:238}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:157}}
: How do you play Warwick in ARAM?
He's actually pretty strong in aram after his second item. I think you're supposed to play him as a drain tank. So rush {{item:3065}} to enhance your passive and life steal since there will alot of poke. That item will also help you get extra health from healing relics. Then rush {{item:3748}} for some damage and AOE. So if your game last to where you can build 3rd and 4th item then you will be a problem. If they have a lot of AP rush {{item:3091}}. You will get extra healing and AS which perfectly synergies with Warwick. If they only have 2 AP I still recommend this item. For the 4th item you get {{item:3742}} then {{item:3053}}. To play Warwick in aram is tricky because he isn't as tanky but has has sustain. The key to him is to use your E (damage reduction) as soon a fight breaks out. If you time it right you will take way less damage AND also fear enemies which is a good form of cc. It is also a good form of peel for your backline. When it comes to your R, use only when you are really low on health or to peel for a carry. Warwick R becomes broken when used with {{item:3065}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3748}} and his passive and runes. If played right you can become an unkillable beast.
: This game isnt too snowbally, we just need more health
First started playing in 2015 and the difference is now that with most champs once you die the lane is basically over. From there on out you have to out macro them.
: I love how Meta and balance changes is forcing us to forgot about undercover over powered champions
{{champion:10}} is no longer the same hyper carry as {{champion:11}} {{champion:67}} or {{champion:38}} after they nerfed her late game to make her early game bearable.
: Yeah Hashinshin is whiny but Wise af.
Only a little bit because he'll play aatrox into a Riven or Fiora, champs that heavily counter him and say they are broken.
Pyrosan (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ezyEANBy,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-10-01T11:17:34.707+0000) > > -nasus outscales her and can just wither her if he gets into trouble and can just max E to farm until lvl 7 or 8 with sheen > -yorick outscales her and has no CC for her to parry, hopefully you are playing on the current patch cuz Fiora has a 48.5% win rate against Yorick. > - gnar has mobility as well and can kite due to his slow and passive AS. > - rammus with thornmail is any AD worst nightmare even {{champion:67}} yorick having a 51.5% winrate into fiora isn't impressive and you shouldn't be using winrate comparisons when he has a less than 1.5% pickrate lol yorick also does have CC for her to parry, Yorick's cage on the edge CC's them into the middle so if she parries that there's your CC and no, yorick doesn't outscale fiora, yorick gets progressively weaker after 25 minutes. i'm saying this from the perspective of a yorick main and you're welcome to look at any website nasus outscaling him doesn't make him a counter, lots of other champions outscale fiora, using the same argument ryze counters fiora - nasus's is a midgame monster, not a late game monster, 1000 stacks isn't going to mean much into today's meta because of how much mobility most chmapions have besides if you don't make nasus go 0/3 at 6 minutes you're just playing the game wrong anyway rammus is not a counterpick because we're talking about top lane matchups, rammus is not played toplane apart from in bronze where it can work 20% of the time rammus also doesn't have enough solo damage to deal with fiora once she has ravenous/dd which is usually what she builds first so unless you're picking him in the jg to be considered a counter to her than ya it's not gonna work
> [{quoted}](name=Pyrosan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ezyEANBy,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-01T11:45:44.702+0000) > > yorick having a 51.5% winrate into fiora isn't impressive and you shouldn't be using winrate comparisons when he has a less than 1.5% pickrate lol > yorick also does have CC for her to parry, Yorick's cage on the edge CC's them into the middle so if she parries that there's your CC and no, yorick doesn't outscale fiora, yorick gets progressively weaker after 25 minutes. i'm saying this from the perspective of a yorick main and you're welcome to look at any website > > nasus outscaling him doesn't make him a counter, lots of other champions outscale fiora, using the same argument ryze counters fiora - nasus's is a midgame monster, not a late game monster, 1000 stacks isn't going to mean much into today's meta because of how much mobility most chmapions have > besides if you don't make nasus go 0/3 at 6 minutes you're just playing the game wrong anyway > > rammus is not a counterpick because we're talking about top lane matchups, rammus is not played toplane apart from in bronze where it can work 20% of the time > rammus also doesn't have enough solo damage to deal with fiora once she has ravenous/dd which is usually what she builds first so unless you're picking him in the jg to be considered a counter to her than ya it's not gonna work What world does Yorick fall off? If he does after 25 mim then why does he become a split push menace like Tryndamere? I'm looking at the websites and data and again they say Yorick wins. I'm not trying to say you're bad at the match up but with his ult up you should beat Fiora. The pick rate is still high enough for websites to tell you that Yorick still wins the match. And Are you going to also disregard the match up between Urgot and Riven where he wins 53% of the time even though he has less than a 1.5% pick rate? If there wasn't enough data then it wouldn't be listed, for example Kalista top verses Maokai. Late game is Nasus's design. A 1000 stack Nasus will instantly delete a Fiora. And also we are only talking about Fiora vs Nasus, not against other mobility champs. And again, the data says Fiora has a 48% win rate against him for a reason. Making a decent Nasus go O/3 at 6 minutes is very difficult with his kit design. You try to freeze the wave he can just E it and maybe Q it to make it reset faster. You try to chase him he'll wither you. You trade with him he'll just sustain back up. You know that Nasus has better sustain than Fiora especially if he brought Resolve runes with him. He has a very safe kit. Making Kayle go 0/3 is alot easier because she is way more squishy than Nasus, practically no sustain, has no wave clear to reset waves, and has a skill shot slow that is not as strong as Nasus. Nasus's slow also reduces attack speed where Kayle's doesn't.
Neriticc (EUW)
: How to lane against Darius as a melee champion?
DO NOT RUSH ARMOR. Must people build cloth armor or two against him thinking it will work but it doesn't because of his passive armor pen plus conqueror. Rushing {{item:3067}} will go along way against him. Also he is from the same twisted mind that created these degenerates {{champion:142}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:84}}
: If you don't shoot it at minions, it won't be blocked by minions Still has spellshield to stop cc connecting to your adc Often has Stopwatch/Zhonya's The shield is used to block cc, you rarely use it to block non lethal magic damage, supports often deal magic damage and have at least one CC ability Has Zhonya to survive in fights
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LKLUJhXb,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2019-09-30T23:04:11.808+0000) > > If you don't shoot it at minions, it won't be blocked by minions > > Still has spellshield to stop cc connecting to your adc > > Often has Stopwatch/Zhonya's > > The shield is used to block cc, you rarely use it to block non lethal magic damage, supports often deal magic damage and have at least one CC ability > > Has Zhonya to survive in fights - same thing can be said about hook champs with minions or any skill shot - enchanters have 2 other utilities abilities that can use offensively, morg just have one defensive spell after Q, a shield - doesn't get stopwatch/zhyonas til later in the game and still has to get close to do it. If she does and stopwatches they can walk/flash away. Also zhyonas has a long cooldown - anti cc shield doesn't block damage from the main damage in lane, the adc, so its practically worthless in a trade/poke with enemy adc as opposed to the shield from {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:43}} -shield has a over 15 second cooldown
Pyrosan (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ezyEANBy,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-30T21:55:40.389+0000) > > Champs that beat her > > 1. {{champion:75}} > 2. {{champion:83}} > 3. {{champion:150}} > 4. {{champion:10}} > 5. {{champion:33}} > 6. {{champion:23}} nasus no yorick no gnar beats most melee champions but not fiora due to her mobility kayle yes rammus no tryndamere yes because his kit is "survive me for 6 seconds or lose" lol
> [{quoted}](name=Pyrosan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ezyEANBy,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-10-01T01:39:43.966+0000) > > nasus no > yorick no > gnar beats most melee champions but not fiora due to her mobility > kayle yes > rammus no > tryndamere yes because his kit is "survive me for 6 seconds or lose" lol -nasus outscales her and can just wither her if he gets into trouble and can just max E to farm until lvl 7 or 8 with sheen -yorick outscales her and has no CC for her to parry, hopefully you are playing on the current patch cuz Fiora has a 48.5% win rate against Yorick. - gnar has mobility as well and can kite due to his slow and passive AS. - rammus with thornmail is any AD worst nightmare even {{champion:67}}
Mihalikb (EUW)
: A Fiora who hasn't killed Nasus 3 times before level 6 or utterly and totally zoned him out of all farm and got a little 30 CS lead is literally mentally challenged. After lvl 6 you do the same thing every else has to do against Nasus. Don't 1v1. Who the fuck plays Rammus toplane? The other ones do counter her. As does Mordekaiser by the way.
> [{quoted}](name=Mihalikb,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ezyEANBy,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-30T23:25:07.083+0000) > > A Fiora who hasn't killed Nasus 3 times before level 6 or utterly and totally zoned him out of all farm and got a little 30 CS lead is literally mentally challenged. After lvl 6 you do the same thing every else has to do against Nasus. Don't 1v1. > > Who the fuck plays Rammus toplane? > > The other ones do counter her. > > As does Mordekaiser by the way. Fiora can trade with nasus pre-6 but not kill him cause of his sustain And he outscales her anyways. It's near impossible die early if you just mad E first as nasus and just farm like that. If she chases you then just wither her.
Mihalikb (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=KABLUMP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mvXXpyQr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-29T22:59:53.433+0000) > > I undertstand this, which is why I think that more utility and options should be put into most champions in order to make that issue go away The ability bloat is the main reason why we are in this mess in the first place. The recent trend for reworks and especially new champions is baking in a million different stun, engage, dash, cc mechanics into every ability. Akali, Kaisa, Pyke, Kayle, Mordekaiser, Neeko, Qiyana, Aatrox are all glaring examples of this. Most notably Akali and Kaisa.
> [{quoted}](name=Mihalikb,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mvXXpyQr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-29T23:26:34.057+0000) > > The ability bloat is the main reason why we are in this mess in the first place. The recent trend for reworks and especially new champions is baking in a million different stun, engage, dash, cc mechanics into every ability. > > Akali, Kaisa, Pyke, Kayle, Mordekaiser, Neeko, Qiyana, Aatrox are all glaring examples of this. Most notably Akali and Kaisa. Kaisa has no CC or sustain Kayle has no CC (just a slow) and no dash or sustain
datfatguy (OCE)
: In what world is Fiora balanced?
Champs that beat her 1. {{champion:75}} 2. {{champion:83}} 3. {{champion:150}} 4. {{champion:10}} 5. {{champion:33}} 6. {{champion:23}}
: Her bind does so much damage. 300 damage + 90% AP scaling. It's just death to an ADC in lane. She's frustrating to play against in lane because she can stop you from getting your CC off, while she can hit one bind and the lane is over because it's such a long root that can be chain CC'd {{champion:51}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:110}} and deals so much damage. Not many people like that and I think that's pretty understandable The size of the projectile, the damage it does (and allows for) are too many positive tradeoffs for "It's slow"
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LKLUJhXb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-30T17:32:51.139+0000) > > Her bind does so much damage. 300 damage + 90% AP scaling. It's just death to an ADC in lane. She's frustrating to play against in lane because she can stop you from getting your CC off, while she can hit one bind and the lane is over because it's such a long root that can be chain CC'd {{champion:51}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:110}} and deals so much damage. Not many people like that and I think that's pretty understandable > > The size of the projectile, the damage it does (and allows for) are too many positive tradeoffs for "It's slow" -Can be blocked by a minion -becomes an almost useless champ when it's down -Puts herself in danger when she ult's unless she has stopwatch. -shield only blocks magic damage in a lane where adc do physical damage -squishy
: Possible Yuumi adjust at some point?
What's unhealthy is when she loses lane so she perma attaches on the fed teammate and snowball's them more and she catches back up. It sucks cause she's untargetable so you can't punish her unless you kill her host first. As opposed to the other enchanters who can still be killed even if they roam around with a fed teammate. Basically she has an easy comeback mechanic. Not to mention Janna's shield, Soraka heal, Sona ult, Lulu's damage buff, Nami's slow, and Sona's ult.
: Think of an auto attack as a very low cooldown ability with 100% total AD scaling. Of course armor is more readily available. Most magic damage in the game is gated by cooldowns which means in general less magic damage is being dealt than physical damage.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qyz674F5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-28T01:08:23.271+0000) > > Think of an auto attack as a very low cooldown ability with 100% total AD scaling. Of course armor is more readily available. Most magic damage in the game is gated by cooldowns which means in general less magic damage is being dealt than physical damage. Also, a majority of magic abilities are skill shots, AA never miss. Another thing is that you lose out on survivability since void staff only gives damage. You ADC's can build damage only because your survivability is usually based off your support. If your tank support isn't tanking for you or your enchanters is not buffing/shielding you then you have the wrong support.
: Yuumi feels like they took the worst parts of a HoTS character
That's why Yummi is so annoying to go against. You destroy her and her adc in bot lane so Yummi will just perma attach to the most fed champ on her team and just death ball together. Other enchanters {{champion:40}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:37}} can also roll with a fed teammate but they are at risk being killed but Yummi cannot be touched unless you kill that fed champion. Not mention that she has the best utility spells out of all the enchanters. A heal/shield, adaptive damage for her host teammate, controllable skill shot slow, and AOE cc. A decent Yummi will even body block some damage for their fed teammate. She does all this while her teammates catches back up.
: Let's Talk Hook Supports
It would be better if after shock did no damage.
: Janna is becoming an issue. Nerfs plz.
Use your ability on her when she use hers on you.
: I really don't get why they balance around the matches where all 5 people are coordinated and ban champs they decide ahead of time to ban, if X is such a fucking problem in LCS then ban it. That's Riot's answer to us. Don't like Zed having his ult every 30 seconds with full CDR? Ban him 4Head. Don't like Yasuo's windwall blocking your entire kit? Just ban him 4Head. Hey LCS, don't like Ryze? **JUST BAN HIM 4HEAD**
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Hluxwui,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-24T21:55:55.273+0000) > > I really don't get why they balance around the matches where all 5 people are coordinated and ban champs they decide ahead of time to ban, if X is such a fucking problem in LCS then ban it. That's Riot's answer to us. Don't like Zed having his ult every 30 seconds with full CDR? Ban him 4Head. Don't like Yasuo's windwall blocking your entire kit? Just ban him 4Head. > > Hey LCS, don't like Ryze? **JUST BAN HIM 4HEAD** I remember when{{champion:238}} ulted me late game as an adc and two shotted me I had a 50 second death timer. As soon I came back and walked pass the Nexus he was able to ult me again.
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ROWl3yFm,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-22T22:44:09.755+0000) > > Basically everyone is saying is right and also one more thing, it's the trend of the month. Remember last month it was the mid/top {{champion:18}}. Next is {{champion:245}} jungle. How do you know what the "trend of the month" is, I kinda need to climb, and using balanced champs isn't making the cut.
> [{quoted}](name=Magnesium14,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ROWl3yFm,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-09-22T22:49:18.728+0000) > > How do you know what the "trend of the month" is, I kinda need to climb, and using balanced champs isn't making the cut. Read patch notes and win rates. Also watch few different high level streamers to see what they say while the new trend is going on.
: Why is malphite, a tank, better played as an AP assasin?
Basically everyone is saying is right and also one more thing, it's the trend of the month. Remember last month it was the mid/top {{champion:18}}. Next is {{champion:245}} jungle.
Velasan (NA)
: Yeah... people hate on him way too much. He as much said he likes to design champions for players to find ways to play around them on their own. He once said, "make us nerf it." I don't agree with everything he made either, but he also has made some fun champions including the Warwick rework, Thresh, and Darius if I'm not mistaken.
> [{quoted}](name=Velasan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hJmRBsZH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-17T19:22:37.944+0000) > > Yeah... people hate on him way too much. He as much said he likes to design champions for players to find ways to play around them on their own. He once said, "make us nerf it." > > I don't agree with everything he made either, but he also has made some fun champions including the Warwick rework, Thresh, and Darius if I'm not mistaken. Yea instantly losing trades because you got 5 stacks of bleed is fun.
: it's because pro-play isn't fawning over him yet. Champions are generally allowed to be this strong in solo queue until outcry forces their hand like it did with Riven.
> [{quoted}](name=R0ses R Red,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-18T22:57:17.662+0000) > > it's because pro-play isn't fawning over him yet. Champions are generally allowed to be this strong in solo queue until outcry forces their hand like it did with Riven. But not {{champion:555}}
: Most overpowered champions of all time v2
Any recently reworked champ (besides NuNu, Kayle and Morde) - Sustain, multiple dashes, true damage, and cc.
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T20:09:10.624+0000) > > Can you be more elaborate with your response? Are you saying that a nasus at 10 min is as strong as Kai sa? And how is my statement general? I compared her to other hyper carries, I think it's just because she's the new hyper carry she's not allowed to join the club. im saying he can be. Keyword "he can be". I play in low elo and im always getting fed most of the time so as nasus i am super strong at 10 minutes. The point i was saying is you all say nasus is weak but he isnt as weak as you think in low elo. Maybe in ranked but not in normal games.
> [{quoted}](name=overpoweredscrub,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=00010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T20:14:00.622+0000) > > im saying he can be. Keyword "he can be". I play in low elo and im always getting fed most of the time so as nasus i am super strong at 10 minutes. The point i was saying is you all say nasus is weak but he isnt as weak as you think in low elo. Maybe in ranked but not in normal games. Oh I see. That is true but it can be true for any other champ in general who gets fed early like Vlad or Kass
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-14T17:20:41.053+0000) > > Things is that that she is a late game carry and needs time to get to that point. If you haven't ended the game by then that's your fault. Also her early game is bad . If your adc didn't bully her out then be prepared to pay the consequences. Just like how you pay it with {{champion:29}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:45}} hah it's funny how general your response is. I've had many games where I am strong early as nasus around the 10 minute mark. Not even late game like 20-30 minutes. And news flash, you can't end the game in 10 minutes.
> [{quoted}](name=overpoweredscrub,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-14T18:24:07.893+0000) > > hah it's funny how general your response is. I've had many games where I am strong early as nasus around the 10 minute mark. Not even late game like 20-30 minutes. And news flash, you can't end the game in 10 minutes. Can you be more elaborate with your response? Are you saying that a nasus at 10 min is as strong as Kai sa? And how is my statement general? I compared her to other hyper carries, I think it's just because she's the new hyper carry she's not allowed to join the club.
: Stop saying her early game is weak it just isnt {{champion:10}} early game is weak {{champion:38}} early is weak {{champion:28}} early is weak {{champion:75}} early is weak
> [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vAN8uVNh,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T18:46:18.580+0000) > > Stop saying her early game is weak it just isnt {{champion:10}} early game is weak {{champion:38}} early is weak {{champion:28}} early is weak {{champion:75}} early is weak Are you seriously saying that she can compete with {{champion:119}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:236}} early game? Those adc do damage early, not her. If Kai sa leaves lane with two items than you deserve to lose.
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T03:38:14.030+0000) > > I liked Exil but I don't agree with him sometimes. He was saying that Kai'sa has one of the most overloaded kit in the game but thinks Pyke and Yasuo are ok. A Fed Kai'sa will melt late game just like a fed {{champion:119}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:29}} . That's the point of a marksmen. I dont think you even pay attention. The whole point of the video is not just the amount of damage kaisa does, but the fact that she can build anything and scale well and counter other things better than any other adc is what makes her strong. So not only does she do high damage, but can counter more things without sacrificing damage unlike other adcs. you cant build hourglass on most adcs without sacrificing a lot of damage, but kaisa scales with it. But then her damage is also high. Another thing is, just because pyke and yasuo are overloaded doesnt mean kaisa isnt. thats not even a good way to justify things. Look at gnar, he is stupidly overloaded when he came out. His kit has so much into it. To say gnar isn't overloaded because he isn't popular anymore or that yasuo is overloaded so gnar isn't would be dumb.
> [{quoted}](name=overpoweredscrub,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T03:59:05.991+0000) > > I dont think you even pay attention. The whole point of the video is not just the amount of damage kaisa does, but the fact that she can build anything and scale well and counter other things better than any other adc is what makes her strong. So not only does she do high damage, but can counter more things without sacrificing damage unlike other adcs. you cant build hourglass on most adcs without sacrificing a lot of damage, but kaisa scales with it. But then her damage is also high. > > Another thing is, just because pyke and yasuo are overloaded doesnt mean kaisa isnt. thats not even a good way to justify things. Look at gnar, he is stupidly overloaded when he came out. His kit has so much into it. To say gnar isn't overloaded because he isn't popular anymore or that yasuo is overloaded so gnar isn't would be dumb. Things is that that she is a late game carry and needs time to get to that point. If you haven't ended the game by then that's your fault. Also her early game is bad . If your adc didn't bully her out then be prepared to pay the consequences. Just like how you pay it with {{champion:29}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:45}}
: Did you actually say she's weak to assassins? When she can build both {{item:3026}} and {{item:3157}}? This is false. All adcs can do damage if they have peel... So kaisa Has no CC Can't take towers as fast Can't auto once before coming out of stealth Silly me what was a I thinking? She can't do these few little things. How could I think she was overloaded with these insane weaknesses?
> [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vAN8uVNh,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:53:11.693+0000) > > Did you actually say she's weak to assassins? When she can build both {{item:3026}} and {{item:3157}}? This is false. > > All adcs can do damage if they have peel... > > So kaisa > > Has no CC > > Can't take towers as fast > > Can't auto once before coming out of stealth > > > Silly me what was a I thinking? She can't do these few little things. How could I think she was overloaded with these insane weaknesses? Those are her last two items and she gets to the that point that's your fault for not ending the game sooner or your adc fault for not taking advantage of her bad early game. Also,most adc have safety too when they build {{item:3026}} and {{item:3072}}. Plus double armor item is not going to defend her against a full late game combo from Zed, Talon, or Fizz without any health.
: {{champion:145}} High Sustained Damage High Burst Builds no lethality because she doesn't need to Stealth %HP damage Movement Speed Steroid Attack Speed Steroid Long Ranged Dash Long Ranged Nuke Huge shield Double Scaling on 3 of her abilities Mixed Damage Kai sa = Overloaded
> [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vAN8uVNh,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-12T21:32:28.127+0000) > > {{champion:145}} > > High Sustained Damage > > High Burst > > Builds no lethality because she doesn't need to > > Stealth > > %HP damage > > Movement Speed Steroid > > Attack Speed Steroid > > Long Ranged Dash > > Long Ranged Nuke > > Huge shield > > Double Scaling on 3 of her abilities > > Mixed Damage > > Kai sa = Overloaded Short range, needs time to scale, weak to assassins, weak to team ult's like {{champion:21}} {{champion:29}}, expensive items, other adc's will hit just as hard late game if they have peel like Draven, jinx, vayne, twitch, kog, and she has no cc that can turn a fight around like jinx, Draven, vayne, jhin, xayah, cait, and Ashe. Also she can't melt towers as well as Trist, cait, and Jinx. She's also can't attack while she's in stealth like Twitch or Vayne.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lan Fan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-14T00:26:50.385+0000) > > You can't be complaining about Irelia when you are playing ZED I'm just saying that's the reason why people hate them lol. This is the funniest response because it shows how much empty info you are actually providing in your response. Here is a youtube video you can watch to show what i mean about when people use the you can't complain about x because you play y. https://youtu.be/w7fWEiQfqs8
> [{quoted}](name=overpoweredscrub,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-14T01:04:43.755+0000) > > I'm just saying that's the reason why people hate them lol. This is the funniest response because it shows how much empty info you are actually providing in your response. Here is a youtube video you can watch to show what i mean about when people use the you can't complain about x because you play y. > https://youtu.be/w7fWEiQfqs8 I liked Exil but I don't agree with him sometimes. He was saying that Kai'sa has one of the most overloaded kit in the game but thinks Pyke and Yasuo are ok. A Fed Kai'sa will melt late game just like a fed {{champion:119}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:29}} . That's the point of a marksmen.
: Fiora buffs LMAO
So {{champion:86}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:240}} can all hit towers with their empowered auto or spell but you guys get mad when Fiora can now?
Kat XD (NA)
: Why does nobody ever complain about Katarina?
Because the other assassins are way better. From farming against poke match ups to being able to get away (Fizz, Ekko, Talon, Leblanc, etc).
: ADC's have begone to fall off
AP Malphite is so toxic right for ADCs.
: Like... damn, if you misposition even slightly on Kogmaw or Anivia, you're pretty much fucked. They have good DPS, but newer champs and reworks both have high DPS AND mobility/disengage, so theres no tradeoff being made
> [{quoted}](name=BongMage420,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lybXigNh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-09T00:12:03.603+0000) > > Like... damn, if you misposition even slightly on Kogmaw or Anivia, you're pretty much fucked. They have good DPS, but newer champs and reworks both have high DPS AND mobility/disengage, so theres no tradeoff being made And CC
: Funny how those top 3 have been issues for forever. Man I wonder why people like playing overtuned mobile burst champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleepier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HV7k3mhy,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T03:40:24.244+0000) > > Funny how those top 3 have been issues for forever. > > Man I wonder why people like playing overtuned mobile burst champions. *with cc
Cloud273 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HV7k3mhy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-05T21:39:52.734+0000) > > Sorry dude but according to Riot Blaustoise champs with mobility are more fun to play and watch and us older players have to get used it. His words not mine. Not that I don't believe you or anything, but can you post a link to where he said this? Just curious.
> [{quoted}](name=Cloud273,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HV7k3mhy,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-05T23:15:10.267+0000) > > Not that I don't believe you or anything, but can you post a link to where he said this? Just curious. https://mobile.twitter.com/riotblaustoise/status/1163642684017238021 Read the rest of his tweets from there. Someone on here had a perfect rebuttal saying that some of the most popular champs have low/no mobility like Darius, Lux, and Thresh.
Kat XD (NA)
: I'm just glad {{champion:55}} is still flying under the radar with people. My bae is like the only broken champion that people have a shred of respect for.
> [{quoted}](name=caffeine abuser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4wqVRhr2,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-05T18:37:00.677+0000) > > I'm just glad {{champion:55}} is still flying under the radar with people. > > My bae is like the only broken champion that people have a shred of respect for. How does your babe fair against {{champion:7}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} ?
: Annie Should NOT Get Mobility.
Sorry dude but according to Riot Blaustoise champs with mobility are more fun to play and watch and us older players have to get used it. His words not mine.
: What are some ways to negate Pyke's power?
Leona is pretty good into Pyke but he's more snowbally then ever. Ban him
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