Monlyth (NA)
: Does Yasuo have a real weakness?
Doesn't scale as well as many mages. Enemy jungler xd.
: Look at her past seasons....... She has Victorious Orianna, so she at least was gold last season, and claimed to be Plat. And I've had quite a few Ex plats in games (usually Plat IV losers with Gold MMRs). I didn't check for certain, But I know she got Gold. And then Inted in Silver 4. Luck has far more influence when people play poorly than when they play well. Ofc there's always luck. It's just a smaller part of the equation the higher you go.
I'd argue the opposite and that luck has more influence the higher you go because you can't solo carry as easily.
: Do you even know his passive and how it interacts with an Infernal Drake? He has exponential AD bonus from having 4-5 trophies, which isn't even hard to get. You're also pretending he doesn't build Lethality/Armor pen. The Armor weakness only exists when he is behind, and been afk farming all game. If he's an type of skilled Rengar at all, he has 2-3 stacks by level 3-4. Other fed champs take longer than .2 seconds. I can't actually pull 70% with Zyra anymore, because her delays make her mitigateable, and her massive 24-12% loss of damage on plants made her substantially less impactful. I could semi instant pop on her when Conquerer was 3 seconds, but it also made ME far squishier.
A skilled Rengar playing against skilled players would barely pull off 1 stack by lvl 3-4. When I'm playing in grandmaster, Rengar just isn't good. His dueling isn't S tier it's more like A tier, he's not made for pre 6 ganking, if his laners have no priority then he can't invade. Massive weakness to zhonyas and feast or famine
: Rengar doesn't need ult to wait in an unwarded bush and 1 shot someone passing by.
He won't be able to do that against decent players past early game. He has a massive weakness to armour, peel, and how is him 1 shotting someone in an unwarded bush when fed any different from any other assassin or mage?
LordZeds (EUW)
: Nerf garen damage
He's extremely weak right now?
: That's a more nuanced argument than you make it out to be. Does Rengar deserve an advantage for that score? Sure. Does he deserve to run an entire game because he got 4 kills at level 3, or due to an invade gone wrong at level 1? Probably not. That's what Rengar and Kha currently do: They get those few kills early on abusing their mechanics, which amps their damage for the rest of the game. Realistically, 20 of those kills probably were the result of "almost nothing you can do" situations, where either Isolation or Trophies result in such a high damage increase early on, that they can do their job and 1 shot before a team even has an income. How do you ever expect a team to get ahead on warding or defense, if they have no gold income with which to to that? That's the paradox of these early game jungle assassins; They can farm purely on kills, and ignore farm, and just go lane to lane and take advantage of anyone who is not under their own turret, which is again paradoxed by the fact the opposing laner can just "Freeze" a lane so that the player is FORCED to either come out, or to completely not level, or gain an income.
What? Rengar won't run an entire game. The moment he has no ultimate he has no reliable gap closer and will just be kited to death due to building damage.
: That's where we differ. Kha/Rengar in the right hands is almost ALWAYS an instant loss. You can generally tell if they are good or not in their very first 5 minutes. Also, they are prime smurf choices for smurfing. So there's a severe skill gap in many games where these champs are played.
: > [{quoted}](name=ReaperOfAnarachy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BWQU0IaQ,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-02-14T14:50:50.677+0000) > > Lol while I don't think OP is right. It's also funny to see this comment from someone not wanting nerfs to their "SuPRahIsE OnE-ShOt " cause I face rolled and pressed all my buttons > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} khazix is max c tier jgler lol. Rengar is worse to play against in every circumstance that can be possibly imagined. People just don't know how to fight against KhaZix
LMAO what? I'd expect the boards to call him S-tier but max c tier? Are you damn serious? He's honestly like A-tier.
: No. You wont even hit Plat without years of experience. The early years are just spent mastering the easy stuff(Microplay) A knowledge base of every champion and how that champion is going to play in any situation. A knowledge base of what you can and cannot fight without dying. And then the hard stuff comes after that.
Faker hit rank 1 his first season iirc.
: i also forgot they took away jungle catch-up exp. so now not only do we not have vision, any way to get vision, or a place to heal up, or towers or minions to defend us and granted vision. we don't even have catchup exp which all _lanes_ have in case we get behind. its funny how in season 3,4,5 i never even wanted to be a jungler. and now i have to quit becuase in season 5,6,7,8 my main {{champion:76}} , was kicked out of mid, top and support so she could jungle... and now she cant even fucking jungle without being in the bottom 10 of 40. and sure she is "better" than in season 7 back when she had a 44% winrate all freaking season.. but she isnt as "fun to play" becuase in season 7.. she was bad but she was still FUN. in season 8.. she got a massive buffed due to the interation of celerity and her passive and eletrocute being good on her. but now they removed the ineration.. and with the scuttle changes , all of her strongest counters in the game... are meta. i cant get into a single game when i am not hardcountered. and it forces me to fight y hardcounter while i am at my weakest point in the game... while they are at their strongest point in the game. and they wonder why its hell. so yeah... if the enemy is a MORON and they don't contest scutlle and let u hit lvl 4 for free.. then sure nid is a perfectly good jungler. but if at point in time they take SINGLE camp from you before u hit 4 and back and spend your gold.. then you're COMPLETELY FUCKED. if 80% if the nidalee games i lost after the scuttle change were lost within the first 5 min becuase if nid cant hit 4 and back safely with all camps cleared by 5 min in with no deaths ... then the game is over for her. the only ways to come back from that require co-ordinated voice chat and your team placing deep wards in their jungle when u arn't strong enough to enter it safely to do so yourself. becuase with so little vision its actayly easier to see the enemy pathing trhough thier own jungle then to see them enter yours.. bnut again.. that requires u to have a way to place them in the enemy jungle... and if your behind... u cant do that yourself wihout risking a free kill and basically the game being completly over. i mean sure.. if u get stupid lucky and your bot side near river and u see him gank top u can ward his bot side jungle. but if he spots you then he'll just take your top side. either way. there are a million ways to stay ahead when your ahead in the jungle... and no ways to come back. unless u happen to be someone like {{champion:11}} who can turn until a late game hypercarry after 3 items
> [{quoted}](name=SwiftKitten88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbMWxBKA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-17T02:09:55.506+0000) > > i also forgot they took away jungle catch-up exp. > > so now not only do we not have vision, any way to get vision, or a place to heal up, or towers or minions to defend us and granted vision. > > we don't even have catchup exp which all _lanes_ have in case we get behind. > > its funny how in season 3,4,5 i never even wanted to be a jungler. > > and now i have to quit becuase in season 5,6,7,8 my main {{champion:76}} , was kicked out of mid, top and support so she could jungle... and now she cant even fucking jungle without being in the bottom 10 of 40. > > and sure she is "better" than in season 7 back when she had a 44% winrate all freaking season.. but she isnt as "fun to play" > > becuase in season 7.. she was bad but she was still FUN. > > in season 8.. she got a massive buffed due to the interation of celerity and her passive and eletrocute being good on her. > > but now they removed the ineration.. and with the scuttle changes , all of her strongest counters in the game... are meta. > > i cant get into a single game when i am not hardcountered. and it forces me to fight y hardcounter while i am at my weakest point in the game... while they are at their strongest point in the game. > > and they wonder why its hell. > > so yeah... if the enemy is a MORON and they don't contest scutlle and let u hit lvl 4 for free.. then sure nid is a perfectly good jungler. > > but if at point in time they take SINGLE camp from you before u hit 4 and back and spend your gold.. > > then you're COMPLETELY FUCKED. > > if 80% if the nidalee games i lost after the scuttle change were lost within the first 5 min > > becuase if nid cant hit 4 and back safely with all camps cleared by 5 min in with no deaths ... then the game is over for her. > > the only ways to come back from that require co-ordinated voice chat and your team placing deep wards in their jungle when u arn't strong enough to enter it safely to do so yourself. > > becuase with so little vision its actayly easier to see the enemy pathing trhough thier own jungle then to see them enter yours.. > > bnut again.. that requires u to have a way to place them in the enemy jungle... and if your behind... u cant do that yourself wihout risking a free kill and basically the game being completly over. > > i mean sure.. if u get stupid lucky and your bot side near river and u see him gank top u can ward his bot side jungle. > > but if he spots you then he'll just take your top side. > > either way. there are a million ways to stay ahead when your ahead in the jungle... and no ways to come back. unless u happen to be someone like {{champion:11}} who can turn until a late game hypercarry after 3 items I can agree with a lot of this but buddy, Nidalee is fine atm.
: The "Forever unusable in Solo Queue because they're broken in competitive" Club
: Unpopular Opinion: Akali's shroud is unfun to play against.
SKHynix (EUW)
: God i would love to play AP/crit Shaco again
He'd be too busted though due to the removal of pink wards...
Novalas (NA)
: I would disagree with her being in a "perfectly balanced spot". We buffed her a few patches in a row - the bugfix turned out to be a lot bigger of a buff than we expected so we're handling that accordingly. The R line nerf is directed more towards her pro play presence. I'm incredibly doubtful that the changelist on PBE will make her unplayable, only move her down from the top.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Novalas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G6QG1YYW,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-25T18:43:48.623+0000) > > I would disagree with her being in a "perfectly balanced spot". We buffed her a few patches in a row - the bugfix turned out to be a lot bigger of a buff than we expected so we're handling that accordingly. The R line nerf is directed more towards her pro play presence. > > I'm incredibly doubtful that the changelist on PBE will make her unplayable, only move her down from the top. I 100% agree, please nerf.
: Reworked Yi is honestly just AP Yi with effective autoattacks. Which is absolutely insanely broken given that AP Yi himself wasn't so balanced. Alpha Strike scales on AD now so you have this nuke ability that can crit, which probably gives it parity to AP Yi's ratios on Alpha Strike in terms of damage, it's just Physical now. The difference is, AP Yi's autoattacks were pretty useless beyond the Lichbane proc. Basically the reworked Yi is AP Yi where every autoattack is a Lichbane proc. He's literally just a better AP Yi. Also he's still putting out two types of damage, it's just Physical + True now instead of Magic + Physical. Which again makes the reworked Yi worse (as in more broken) than AP Yi.
> [{quoted}](name=Wolfalisk318,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZdH5ruHE,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-07-25T18:14:14.207+0000) > > Reworked Yi is honestly just AP Yi with effective autoattacks. Which is absolutely insanely broken given that AP Yi himself wasn't so balanced. > > Alpha Strike scales on AD now so you have this nuke ability that can crit, which probably gives it parity to AP Yi's ratios on Alpha Strike in terms of damage, it's just Physical now. > > The difference is, AP Yi's autoattacks were pretty useless beyond the Lichbane proc. Basically the reworked Yi is AP Yi where every autoattack is a Lichbane proc. He's literally just a better AP Yi. > > Also he's still putting out two types of damage, it's just Physical + True now instead of Magic + Physical. Which again makes the reworked Yi worse (as in more broken) than AP Yi. the difference is back then ap yi had a 100% reset on R instead of 70% so he LITERALLY had 0 windows of vulnerability if he kept killing
Bisaknosp (EUW)
: 'hard cc destroys him' ^who wont get destroyed by hard cc???????? wtf
> [{quoted}](name=Öskan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZdH5ruHE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-25T16:47:52.672+0000) > > 'hard cc destroys him' > > ^who wont get destroyed by hard cc???????? wtf go into a team fight try having your entire team blow all cc on their thresh, then try having your entire team cc their katarina, which would probably win you the fight?
: Set a cooldown on Rengar's passive and damage nerf
Becuase he has no real escape and his mobility is very limited

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