Thighyah (NA)
: Question for the people being banned for "3rd party softwares"
Any third party program is “use at your own risk”. The rule of thumb is if it provides any information or ability in game that you wouldn’t normally have, it’s not allowed. As an example, an overlay to time jungle camps on the minimal would likely be prohibited, but an overlay that shows who you’re talking to on a third party voice communication app wouldn’t be. When in doubt, it’s best to just not use it, as if it interferes with the client at all and is detected, it may result in a ban.
eDYale (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=VvVVvV,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J9YA2cGO,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-17T05:51:35.908+0000) > > Well from those screen shots i can tell you exactly what it was. It was the post game. When you said "report attrox." Most people dont realize that asking or telling other to report someone else, IS reportable. You can ask riot in a ticket if you dont believe me. Then how are people supposed to get banned/reported if the enemy team doesn't know that the aatrox is toxic and inting??
> [{quoted}](name=eDYale,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J9YA2cGO,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-17T06:47:26.913+0000) > > Then how are people supposed to get banned/reported if the enemy team doesn't know that the aatrox is toxic and inting?? Because you report them. More reports does not make it more likely someone is punished.
: Well that was an odd removal
Yeah, I’m not sure if they’ve had a change in policy, but I’ve seen many more threads and comments than normal get replied to by a moderator when they obviously merit deletion. I get that moderator can’t see everything and that’s why reports are important but it’s crazy to say “we read and responded to a post but didn’t see it”.
: I just want an official league forum where the mods don't control the content as a whole. By all means censor the garbage that needs it, but removing posts for lack of substance is silly at best. Especially when tiny insignificant posts of that kind often just go -2 to +2 votes and dissapear into the void after a couple of days. It's not the mods job to remove such posts ESPECIALLY if they've received any kind of positive or even negative reaction. Unless there's no personally derogatory or inflammatory action, then there's no reason to remove it. Period.
You can think that's silly. Most people think that part of having a **discussion forum** is that the posts actually merit discussion. Rants and/or threads that simply make one statement do not have discussion value. You wanting an "official forum" with rules you like does not mean Riot is going to do that. It **is** the mods job to enforce the rules. If you disagree with the rules, fine. But that doesn't mean the moderators are wrong to enforce the rules. In fact, there's an entire section here where you can discuss whether the rules should be changed.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ka0Vglm9,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-17T05:02:20.674+0000) > > Racism is not tolerated in League of Legends. Period. Any form of overtly racist behavior that cannot be interpreted any other way (such as what you said, the "n word", etc) is severely punished. > > Seriously though, racism is not a joke. Period. If your joke is racist, it isn't a joke - it's insulting and rude. Someone's never worked in a warehouse before... lmao
This is not a warehouse. This is League of Legends.
: Question: Can you get in trouble for this
The system isn't a "chat filter" like you're trying to make it out to be. So yes, it will take into consideration the names of other players when evaluating the chat. And no, Dutch is not a supported language on League of Legends - hence why they do not program a special case for the word in Dutch being used. If you use League of Legends, you are being judged based on the supported language in which you choose to play.
: Thats a zero tolerance word? really? I didnt know, i've been banned before, but a rioter unbanned me because I was wrongfullly banned. Now that I know its zero tolerance my chances of being unbanned in my head have been diminshed
Racism is not tolerated in League of Legends. Period. Any form of overtly racist behavior that cannot be interpreted any other way (such as what you said, the "n word", etc) is severely punished. Seriously though, racism is not a joke. Period. If your joke is racist, it isn't a joke - it's insulting and rude.
eDYale (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J9YA2cGO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-17T03:23:05.037+0000) > > If they're trolling, they aren't "having a bad day" and aren't avoiding ban because of that. > > If they're having a bad day, they aren't trolling, hence why they don't get banned. > > The line between this isn't a fine line - it's a massive grey "inbetween" area. Except, they are "having a bad day" in riots eyes. Because they cant tell the difference between someone running it down mid or going 1/3 because of a bad matchup.. I literally had a ziggs constantly rush bot and ignore all warnings that people were coming to him, disite the bot lane leaving him and constantly die. How is that not trolling/inting? Was he just not map aware? Was he just trying to win?...
> [{quoted}](name=eDYale,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J9YA2cGO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-17T03:31:03.782+0000) > > Except, they are "having a bad day" in riots eyes. Because they cant tell the difference between someone running it down mid or going 1/3 because of a bad matchup.. I literally had a ziggs constantly rush bot and ignore all warnings that people were coming to him, disite the bot lane leaving him and constantly die. How is that not trolling/inting? Was he just not map aware? Was he just trying to win?... It's not trolling or inting because **they may not have _intentionally_ been doing that**. People are allowed to be bad. People are allowed to fuck up and not be aware of the map. Nobody's perfect, including yourself.
eDYale (NA)
: Why do trolls avoid bans with "having a bad day" but anyone who calls out them out aren't?
If they're trolling, they aren't "having a bad day" and aren't avoiding ban because of that. If they're having a bad day, they aren't trolling, hence why they don't get banned. The line between this isn't a fine line - it's a massive grey "inbetween" area.
: Dishonorable Players vs Honorable Players
>This game make people toxic. Sure. And going to a sports game that your team is losing at makes people toxic too. Wait, you don't just start going around punching any of the other team's fans? **Self control is a thing**. You then claim that various things are toxic and should be removed.... And you literally ignore the fact that there's reasons that all of the things you're complaining about happen. So no, the game isn't making you toxic, your inability to have self control and your inability to listen to reason is.
pAgJay (NA)
: There were no other games and those lines were after hecarim on the other team flamed me so i said that first line, right after the enemy team asked me to please do casue he was flaming in team chat so i said ill actually report then hec said i wasnt toxic??? so i said then you wont get banned, but ima report. Also yeah i was feeling a little talkitive/role play like that game xD
Threatening reports, arguing about reporting/punishments, etc. are not appropriate uses of the in-game chat feature. As such, you were punished for doing so in game. It very well could also be because of the sheer *amount* of off-topic chat lines - while a bit of joking around is fine, if you're using chat a ton and it's not doing anything helpful, it may be considered spam. That all being said, I'd be curious what Riot Support says when you ask them why you were punished off this one game. Either there's something else involved, or they've gotten a lot stricter on "younger" accounts.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AVeuMuIx,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-11-17T01:13:42.268+0000) > > Probably because you're spamming them - that's not for no reason. spamming what ? how about Corrupted Player support spamming NA Servers with Fake inappropriate user accounts that not even suppose to be in ques in the first place ? think about that
> [{quoted}](name=Weapon X nYc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AVeuMuIx,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-11-17T01:46:20.837+0000) > > spamming what ? how about Corrupted Player support spamming NA Servers with Fake inappropriate user accounts that not even suppose to be in ques in the first place ? think about that Huh? You're suggesting that Riot is putting fake accounts in queues? Look, to be quite blunt with you, **your sentences are not even formatted anywhere near well enough for us to even realize what you're complaining about**. It *looks* like you're mad you got punished for breaking the rules, and that you think you deserve a pass to violate the rules just because you disagree with them. That's not how life works.
: Riot Games dont care, as long as Riot is making money from skins, merch ect they dont care. I have had a player support threten to close my support account for no reson at all I sent another ticket for support to look into it and they wasnt interested
> [{quoted}](name=GamerForLifee,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AVeuMuIx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-17T00:58:55.985+0000) > > Riot Games dont care, as long as Riot is making money from skins, merch ect they dont care. I have had a player support threten to close my support account for no reson at all I sent another ticket for support to look into it and they wasnt interested Probably because you're spamming them - that's not for no reason.
: why is the report system a joke
>so why is it so quick to get banned but takes months to get back to where you were? When you break someone's trust in real life, do you expect to earn it back in a day or two? Say you tell someone you'll pay them back for a meal or something and you don't - do you think they'll pay for your meal a week later?
: When I report a forum moderator what happens.
You disagreeing with the rules doesn’t mean the moderator are wrong for enforcing them. Maybe you should go find a community with rules you like more.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Al9RzQ2b,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-11-16T04:52:10.512+0000) > > This poster basically only makes rants with next to no content. I am surprised they are not banned given their incredibly long history of spamming the boards, with multiple posts per day on some occasions, of just rants. Did you actually read the thread in question?
No, but based on Ulanopo's summary, it appears my assumption (based on literally hundreds of threads of data, and that's just the ones I remember from when they posted 5+ on multiple days) was correct.
: the player behavior section of the boards are a cesspit
You're wondering why you don't gain honor? Because you behave like this.
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yimkKNN0,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T03:26:02.016+0000) > > well, that's his perspective. Would you find it more meaningful to get our perspectives from a full logs? Like I said to the other guy, I do not care about the chat restriction at all. What I care about is the fact that Riot considers it toxic to call out or speak against toxicity when you see it. That is what the evidence is for.
They consider it toxic to be toxic back to people. “Calling out” as a behavior is inherently toxic to a team. You’re free to disagree. The community agrees with the rules. If you can’t agree with the rules of the community, maybe it’s time to find another game.
: I have a dummy laptop that I use for that very purpose along with a high grade VPN service. I am actually fully prepared to go to the police but there isn't really much they would be capable of doing with something as little as just a username on league, I would still need evidence of the chat logs anyway too. I don't deny that it might be a little arrogant of me to try and rush things with this but I'm very susceptible to Anxiety fits when put under immense stress or the like. I won't expect them to respond to this with answers I'm simply trying to do anything i can to get this situation handled. Either way, the actions of the player were unacceptable.
If you provide this information, the police can request the information from Riot, who will provide it and aid in the investigation.
: {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Tahm Kench did not get punished though. He abused the system, and got off completely free. What I said to Tahm Kench wasn't much worse than what he said to me. If it's obvious they are baiting for reports, Riot has to find a way to punish them reliably. In normals trolling may not be that bad, but if that was a ranked game he kept eating me in, I would have rage quit this game for a while. Tahm Kench will just do it again when he gets autofilled. He knows he doesn't have to fear being reported now, as long as he doesn't say anything too ridiculous in chat. He purposely singled me out, and baited me for reports, right from champ select. I actually care at least a bit about how this game turns out, but I think I will at least take a break for a while after this. Games are supposed to be fun, not frustrating. El Psy Kongroo.
So.. you’re admitting you have a toxic attitude, in that you think it’s okay to ragequit, and that you’re focusing on someone else’s behavior? You broke the rules. You got punished. Everyone is subject to the same rules and the report you filed on Tahm may not have been reviewed yet. But regardless, it doesn’t make what you did okay.
: But that's not how it should work. They abuse the report system because they know how it works, but Riot never tells us how it works exactly to stop abuse. I don't get reported enough to know how to abuse the system, nor do I want to. Let me ask you this, is it okay if I play trundle, and knock you up with pillar everytime you try to back/ trap you/ stop you from getting kills? Of course not, but is that reportable? Apparently not, but the second you get angry and cuss me out in chat, you are reportable, and get punished when you just got frustrated by a really terrible teammate. Also let me ask you this, what is the difference between getting angry in game, and being toxic? None, toxicity is linked to anger. Riot has no way to circumvent this because if one teammate feeds hard, and loses tower 10 minutes into game, it also affects their teammates. In turn that makes them angry. Now for me it was much worse because Tahm Kench literally lost us game by harassing me, slowing down my jungle clears by eating me, which got me killed early game. If he didn't eat me, and instead ate my blue lvl 1, I would have gotten to my red buff like 5 seconds earlier. Now this may not seem significant to you, but I could have probably finished the camp before Shaco could get in range. I wouldn't have died, and I wouldn't have lost red, but I can't say for sure when Shaco was there. He could have been waiting a while. I'm not the only one that gets angry either, streamers are getting fed up with this troll shit as well. I'm pretty sure Hashinshin would burst a blood vessel if my Tahm Kench came top, and kept eating him in lane. Riot would do something about that though, because Hashinshin is a streamer that makes them money. I would also like to point out that, even if the troll is on the enemy team, that can still ruin the game for you as well. Where is the fun when there's no challenge? I've had games where the game was close until a troll rages at his team, then starts intentionally feeding. I really hate it when that happens. It takes a lot of the fun out of the game for me especially in normal where there is no real reason to get angry besides hardcore intentional trolling. It's not like I get angry at people for nothing. {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
Nobody has said that Tahm may not merit punishment. Them breaking the rules does not mean you can as well.
: > [{quoted}](name=BarneyIsComing,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c2EQmQsg,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-15T14:37:38.196+0000) > > there needs to be an ip ban sent to these players. What Riot actually needs to do is a hardware ban. IP bans are lame. You get caught cheating in Overwatch? You can never play the game again on that Motherboard, even if you buy a new copy.
Easily circumvented and you can figure out how in less than a day if you really tried.
: These are some pretty gross generalizations. As someone who's seen Bronze to Diamond, I can safely say people can act like pieces of shit at any elo. There isn't once specific elo that is more or less toxic than the others (with the exception that the first and last division of each rank tends to be more toxic than the rest, IMO). Back when I was in Bronze during my first season I got brutally flamed in quite a few of my games. I can't recall anything good or chill about Bronze or Silver. >here is what happens, people in bronze are people usually actually trying to get better while silver are people who think they know every aspect of the game and they think there thought is the best and only thought, so they are cocky and toxic Also this statement, lol. There are players at pretty much every elo that are actually trying to get better. I'm constantly trying to get better and I'm Diamond 4. I honestly feel at times that I'm not all that great at the game--because I'm not, and I have a long way to go to be where I want to be skill wise. And there are DEFINITELY some Bronze players who 100% believe that they're god's gift to gaming and the only thing keeping them in Bronze is their teammates.
Agree with all of this, but will add that it’s very likely that the OP, when they are less able to hard carry (I.e. they’re in silver/gold), is more rude or less helpful, which leads to them experiencing more toxicity. It still surprises me how people don’t realize how their own behavior is the reason for toxicity in their games in many cases.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R8JkN4v2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-15T17:40:16.202+0000) > > That's like asking for "shooting a 3 point shot" to be reportable. It's completely within the rules of the game. You don't like the rules? Doesn't make something reportable just because you disagree. Thats why I pledge to change the rule. Obviously. It's unsportsmanlike and negative. I don't expect much agreement here, I remember posting a suggestion to let riot implement the possibility to have roles before the game start years ago. The communitys reaction was Anti-Everything as always. Nowadays we have it in the game and noone can imagin not having it and would be anti-removing it.
I believe you *propose* to change the rule, not pledge. You can say it's *obviously* whatever you want, but that's your opinion. The community's reaction was anti-role because it has this attitude of "i get what I want" - which is inherently **anti-team**. The vast majority of players understand that skill is more than one-tricking or playing one role - it's being good at multiple champs in multiple roles. So you can *propose* whatever you want, but Riot isn't going to change the rules just because you're mad you didn't get your way.
: Make banning teams pick reportable already
That's like asking for "shooting a 3 point shot" to be reportable. It's completely within the rules of the game. You don't like the rules? Doesn't make something reportable just because you disagree.
: Really
I didn't know it was called being a "snowflake" for expecting an entertainment environment to not have a child running around and screaming at others.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HqeEWAVr,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T15:46:18.922+0000) > > As far as I know, threads/posts that are not designed to create discussion are considered spam and removed. Buddy you are in the _wrong_ place for that.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HqeEWAVr,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T15:56:01.768+0000) > > Buddy you are in the _wrong_ place for that. No no I get that GD has a much different definition for “discussion”, but still, do you guys seriously think it’s healthy to let people like this simply block others?
Ulkrah (EUW)
: What to do if im in the loss que
: DOG SHIT MATCH MAKING SYSTEM
Sorry, lemme go turn on the “give AiX1 Xaea better players than they deserve on their team” system.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-14T06:01:22.545+0000) > > 1. **WHY IS IT THE PLAYER'S FAULT THAT RIOT MATCHMAKING PUT THEM IN AN INCORRECT ELO**. Like seriously, the player literally can't set their matchmaking. If they're intentionally feeding/griefing to get put in a worse MMR, **that's already punishable**. If they aren't, and they're getting put in a low MMR by Riot's matchmaking algorithms, then **why is it their fault** that the algorithm put them there? > > 2. No. Riot is not going to penalize people who cannot afford a phone. Furthermore, there's completely valid reason to have multiple accounts and people who are doing nothing wrong with them should not be penalized. > > 3. But why would someone get banned/punished **WHEN THEY DID NOTHING WRONG**? Say I'm just playing the game and I fuck up my provisionals (or say I duo with a friend who's a rank below me) - riot's algorithm puts me in Bronze 4, yet I'm really a Gold 2 level player. **Why do I deserve punished for that**. Please stop making excuses for this. > WHY IS IT THE PLAYER'S FAULT THAT RIOT MATCHMAKING PUT THEM IN AN INCORRECT ELO Because they are misrepresenting their skill level and they are purposefully exploiting a flaw in Riot's systems. In no other real world competition are you allowed to do this. > No. Riot is not going to penalize people who cannot afford a phone. Valve does this and it's not a problem over there. Stop making excuses until the cows come home. Your last example is contrived. How many times is that going to happen vs how many times a smurf will be caught?
> [{quoted}](name=SoulSiphonGG,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T07:01:06.814+0000) > > Please stop making excuses for this. > > Because they are misrepresenting their skill level and they are purposefully exploiting a flaw in Riot's systems. In no other real world competition are you allowed to do this. > > Valve does this and it's not a problem over there. > > Stop making excuses until the cows come home. Your last example is contrived. How many times is that going to happen vs how many times a smurf will be caught? How do you know the player misrepresented snugging? And what, are you trying to tell me that high school tennis players are told “sorry, you’re too good for this, go play in a professional tournament”? You keep saying things are done on purpose and exploring, yet there is no way for you to prove that.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HqeEWAVr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:36:02.783+0000) > > And this is the exact type of thing that shouldn't be allowed on the boards - people avoiding discussion and looking just for "yes men" or an echo chamber. > > Yet the moderators don't catch em all. Thanks for making it easier for them to catch you! That's not illegal or against the rules though. Especially in GD.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HqeEWAVr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T07:42:41.939+0000) > > That's not illegal or against the rules though. Especially in GD. As far as I know, threads/posts that are not designed to create discussion are considered spam and removed.
Shinjabo (NA)
: The new client and website is really bad for my Astigmatism
Hi. Medical professional here. Astigmatism is almost always fully treatable with glasses or contacts. In severe cases, LASIK style surgery can be performed and would be covered by insurance. Astigmatism is also not color-sensitive, nor is it so sensitive to the *type* of content being viewed (ex: landscape vs a screen) as to produce massive issues with a computer screen when you're not having them in real life. If your vision is being temporarily changed by light, that is not a symptom of astigmatism. While you may *also* have astigmatism, that is a sign of something more along the lines of your screen being too bright and temporarily blinding certain cells on your retina, or you may simply have another neurological sensitivity to high light content - which does not mean it is Riot's job to not use the color white. So, TLDR: No, and if it *is* an issue for you, it's not because of astigmatism, and you need to change your monitor settings, not use a computer, or see an ophthalmologist.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-09T19:36:11.895+0000) > > Why is it the player’s fault that they aren’t in the correct matchmaking? What do you want Riot to do, other than what they already do which is make their MMR change faster? _SOMETHING_ **ANYTHING** other than sit on their hands. Just because the problem is hard doesn't mean you do nothing. Here are just a few ideas: First thing they could do it making smurfing against their TOS. The next thing is they could actually enforce it by taking action on reports. If people start seeing their favorite streamers get banned for smurfing they will be hesitant to do it themselves. Second, require a phone number to create an account. Will this stop everyone? No. Will it stop _some_ people? Yes. Third, use machine learning to train your system to identify smurfs. Anything that triggers the mid threshold will automatically trigger an account review report. Anything that triggers the high threshold gets a temporary ban where the person has to write support to get unbanned (most smurfs won't bother to appeal). If you're being boosted by a known smurf then your account gets banned too. These are all just off the cuff ideas, imagine what Riot could do if they put _actual _ effort into solving the problem instead of promoting it.
> [{quoted}](name=SoulSiphonGG,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B5ElJpOj,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-11-14T05:55:00.927+0000) > > _SOMETHING_ **ANYTHING** other than sit on their hands. Just because the problem is hard doesn't mean you do nothing. Here are just a few ideas: > > First thing they could do it making smurfing against their TOS. The next thing is they could actually enforce it by taking action on reports. If people start seeing their favorite streamers get banned for smurfing they will be hesitant to do it themselves. > > Second, require a phone number to create an account. Will this stop everyone? No. Will it stop _some_ people? Yes. > > Third, use machine learning to train your system to identify smurfs. Anything that triggers the mid threshold will automatically trigger an account review report. Anything that triggers the high threshold gets a temporary ban where the person has to write support to get unbanned (most smurfs won't bother to appeal). > > If you're being boosted by a known smurf then your account gets banned too. > > These are all just off the cuff ideas, imagine what Riot could do if they put _actual _ effort into solving the problem instead of promoting it. 1. **WHY IS IT THE PLAYER'S FAULT THAT RIOT MATCHMAKING PUT THEM IN AN INCORRECT ELO**. Like seriously, the player literally can't set their matchmaking. If they're intentionally feeding/griefing to get put in a worse MMR, **that's already punishable**. If they aren't, and they're getting put in a low MMR by Riot's matchmaking algorithms, then **why is it their fault** that the algorithm put them there? 2. No. Riot is not going to penalize people who cannot afford a phone. Furthermore, there's completely valid reason to have multiple accounts and people who are doing nothing wrong with them should not be penalized. 3. But why would someone get banned/punished **WHEN THEY DID NOTHING WRONG**? Say I'm just playing the game and I fuck up my provisionals (or say I duo with a friend who's a rank below me) - riot's algorithm puts me in Bronze 4, yet I'm really a Gold 2 level player. **Why do I deserve punished for that**.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GVUbUgJv,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-13T23:48:01.796+0000) > > This is completely misleading and should be removed. > > This is no different from Riot including a "we can ban you for any reason we deem necessary" clause in *their* ToU. Note how 99% of us haven't been banned. > > Instead of YouTube specifying all the forms of things that are banned, they're putting this clause in. This will allow them to ban people who are causing YouTube to lose **contracts** for ads. That is the goal of this, and I **guarantee** that Google would *never* allow them to start banning people using AdBlock because the public backlash would be much more costly than the money they're losing from adblock in the first place. https://hypebeast.com/2019/11/youtube-delete-channels-not-commercially-viable-info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWaz7ofl5wQ They're already deleting entire Google accounts. Markiplier barely got them restored but just "spam" from using officially lisenced emotes was enough to trigger people getting banned. Their terms of service are giving them the wiggle room to delete channels without even needing the strike system or any form of review and given they literally only use automated systems its obvious why its bad. And frankly they've already had the ability to delete channels and have forced 3 strikes on people like Mumkey Jones for questionable reasons and essentially erased him off of youtube. If the people running the site don't like you, they will get rid of you. Most people aren't in their lens but "losing contracts for ads" is extremely vague and we went into one of the adpocalypse phases over some Coca Cola ad playing over a less than 100 view n*zi video. Instead of punishing that one channel they punished the whole site. The article in the OP does only cite that one clause but given how vague it is, we don't know what the fuck that means. Its not clearly a statement of "adblock is bannable" but it could be interpreted that way and there is cause for concern given youtube's history with these vague clauses. Its most likely directed at channels rather than users but given how youtube has repeatedly lied to its users there is no reason to trust they won't use this loose justification for more bans.
> [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GVUbUgJv,comment-id=00050003,timestamp=2019-11-14T05:53:10.988+0000) > > https://hypebeast.com/2019/11/youtube-delete-channels-not-commercially-viable-info > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWaz7ofl5wQ > > They're already deleting entire Google accounts. Markiplier barely got them restored but just "spam" from using officially lisenced emotes was enough to trigger people getting banned. Their terms of service are giving them the wiggle room to delete channels without even needing the strike system or any form of review and given they literally only use automated systems its obvious why its bad. > > And frankly they've already had the ability to delete channels and have forced 3 strikes on people like Mumkey Jones for questionable reasons and essentially erased him off of youtube. If the people running the site don't like you, they will get rid of you. Most people aren't in their lens but "losing contracts for ads" is extremely vague and we went into one of the adpocalypse phases over some Coca Cola ad playing over a less than 100 view n*zi video. Instead of punishing that one channel they punished the whole site. > > The article in the OP does only cite that one clause but given how vague it is, we don't know what the fuck that means. Its not clearly a statement of "adblock is bannable" but it could be interpreted that way and there is cause for concern given youtube's history with these vague clauses. Its most likely directed at channels rather than users but given how youtube has repeatedly lied to its users there is no reason to trust they won't use this loose justification for more bans. That link is a sensationalist blog that provides no proof and actually **less** information than the story the OP linked. Markiplier had an issue completely unrelated to this. You're suggesting that Youtube **intentionally** banned his followers and that they're **intentionally** ignoring/not unbanning. Yet he says himself that he's in touch with youtube and it's being worked on. So you're mad that they enforce common sense rules (no, Mumkey Jones was not banned for "questionable" reasons, but perfectly valid ones). Yeah, no use discussing with you - but I hope you'll use a non-Google search engine to look up a tinfoil hat store near you.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GVUbUgJv,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-13T23:48:01.796+0000) > > This is completely misleading and should be removed. > > This is no different from Riot including a "we can ban you for any reason we deem necessary" clause in *their* ToU. Note how 99% of us haven't been banned. > > Instead of YouTube specifying all the forms of things that are banned, they're putting this clause in. This will allow them to ban people who are causing YouTube to lose **contracts** for ads. That is the goal of this, and I **guarantee** that Google would *never* allow them to start banning people using AdBlock because the public backlash would be much more costly than the money they're losing from adblock in the first place. "YOUTUBE MAY PREVENT ACCESS IF IT BELIEVES, IN ITS EXCLUSIVE DIRECTION, THAT THE PROVISION OF THE SERVICE FOR YOU IS NO LONGER COMMERCIALLY VIABLE" This clause doesn't at all specify contracts of any kind. They're genuinely planning to ban individual users because they don't watch enough ads. This is what "commercially viable" implies: if you're not making YouTube money by watching ads, you don't get access to the site, period. And FYI Google can do whatever the hell it pleases, public outrage be damned. What are we gonna do, start using Internet Explorer again? Google basically has a monopoly on the entirety of the internet, and with how desperately our society depends on the internet in this day and age, Google is setting itself up to be the first digital totalitarian dictatorship.
> [{quoted}](name=L Psy Kongroo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GVUbUgJv,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-11-14T01:49:41.822+0000) > > "YOUTUBE MAY PREVENT ACCESS IF IT BELIEVES, IN ITS EXCLUSIVE DIRECTION, THAT THE PROVISION OF THE SERVICE FOR YOU IS NO LONGER COMMERCIALLY VIABLE" > > This clause doesn't at all specify contracts of any kind. They're genuinely planning to ban individual users because they don't watch enough ads. This is what "commercially viable" implies: if you're not making YouTube money by watching ads, you don't get access to the site, period. And FYI Google can do whatever the hell it pleases, public outrage be damned. What are we gonna do, start using Internet Explorer again? Google basically has a monopoly on the entirety of the internet, and with how desperately our society depends on the internet in this day and age, Google is setting itself up to be the first digital totalitarian dictatorship. Why play League then? Leagues TOU has many things that should “scare” you more than this YouTube thing. Yet you’re keeping your League account and using the boards still.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:46:39.708+0000) > > Okay.... so they got to their appropriate tier? A negative winrate does not mean that someone doesn't deserve to be in that tier. > > Why are you complaining about this when you clearly haven't taken the time to learn how matchmaking/ranking works at all? It's obvious you don't even care about *actually* evaluating players' skill - instead you're just looking for any reason to say they're bad and you're not. So why? Wait ,are you saying seriously that someone with negative winrate is in the elo he deserves? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Go to see a doctor, you really need it
> [{quoted}](name=Veloz Destello,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T01:01:15.443+0000) > > Wait ,are you saying seriously that someone with negative winrate is in the elo he deserves? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} > > Go to see a doctor, you really need it Dude, a negative winrate is literally as useless as saying to a mechanic "yeah, my car makes a noise". Doesn't say what type of noise, how long it lasts, etc. Someone can certainly have a negative winrate and be in the ELO he deserves. Someone's winrate is not an accurate depiction of their skill at a "micro" level like this. Someone with a 10% winrate in an ELO obviously shouldn't be there. That doesn't happen. Someone with a 40% winrate? You can't say.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:31:54.646+0000) > > ... so, someone's tier, which you're complaining about, tells you they deserve to be in that tier or not? > > That makes absolutely no sense. That let you see how they climbed at the begin of the season only to be feeding and stay with a negative wr in a higher elo now
> [{quoted}](name=Veloz Destello,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:38:02.832+0000) > > That let you see how they climbed at the begin of the season only to be feeding and stay with a negative wr in a higher elo now Okay.... so they got to their appropriate tier? A negative winrate does not mean that someone doesn't deserve to be in that tier. Why are you complaining about this when you clearly haven't taken the time to learn how matchmaking/ranking works at all? It's obvious you don't even care about *actually* evaluating players' skill - instead you're just looking for any reason to say they're bad and you're not. So why?
: being able to blacklist the same 4 white knights on every post shitting on riot is nice.
And this is the exact type of thing that shouldn't be allowed on the boards - people avoiding discussion and looking just for "yes men" or an echo chamber. Yet the moderators don't catch em all. Thanks for making it easier for them to catch you!
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:22:19.316+0000) > > Why does it matter to you if they climb? You see them in one, maybe two games. I highly doubt you've gone through and calculated more than their **whole season** winrate (ex: weekly winrates, daily winrates, etc), so you literally have no clue how they perform normally, if they had a bad start to the season (or a bad finish to the season), etc. Yeah, its so bad that there is not anything that tell me their performance over the time... Maybe something named tier graph, in a web like op.gg, that tell me their tier every month... Unlucky that it doesnt exist!
> [{quoted}](name=Veloz Destello,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:24:15.313+0000) > > Yeah, its so bad that there is not anything that tell me their performance over the time... Maybe something named tier graph, in a web like op.gg, that tell me their tier every month... Unlucky that it doesnt exist! ... so, someone's tier, which you're complaining about, tells you they deserve to be in that tier or not? That makes absolutely no sense.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-13T23:40:01.030+0000) > > Keep trying to blame others for your failure to climb. It's totally everyone/thing else's fault but your own. Are you a Riot bot or something? Did I say something about me climbing? Im telling that people with negative winrate shouldnt be climbing, but they are. What kind of mental disability do you have to understand something different?
> [{quoted}](name=Veloz Destello,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BT4Quimn,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:11:24.535+0000) > > Are you a Riot bot or something? Did I say something about me climbing? Im telling that people with negative winrate shouldnt be climbing, but they are. What kind of mental disability do you have to understand something different? Why does it matter to you if they climb? You see them in one, maybe two games. I highly doubt you've gone through and calculated more than their **whole season** winrate (ex: weekly winrates, daily winrates, etc), so you literally have no clue how they perform normally, if they had a bad start to the season (or a bad finish to the season), etc.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GVUbUgJv,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-13T23:48:01.796+0000) > > This is completely misleading and should be removed. > > This is no different from Riot including a "we can ban you for any reason we deem necessary" clause in *their* ToU. Note how 99% of us haven't been banned. > > Instead of YouTube specifying all the forms of things that are banned, they're putting this clause in. This will allow them to ban people who are causing YouTube to lose **contracts** for ads. That is the goal of this, and I **guarantee** that Google would *never* allow them to start banning people using AdBlock because the public backlash would be much more costly than the money they're losing from adblock in the first place. I'd really like to believe this, but with previous fiascos like their "Youtube Heroes" garbage, I can actually believe that they are that tone deaf. They might walk it back eventually, but I do genuinely believe that they think they can roll something like that out and expect everyone to not mind.
> [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GVUbUgJv,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-11-13T23:50:11.843+0000) > > I'd really like to believe this, but with previous fiascos like their "Youtube Heroes" garbage, I can actually believe that they are that tone deaf. They might walk it back eventually, but I do genuinely believe that they think they can roll something like that out and expect everyone to not mind. That would require multiple hundreds of people who work at Google, one of the most **strict** and difficult companies to get hired for, to think that it's okay and not say anything about it. People are reading into this what it isn't. This is the problem with the overly litigatious society we have today all around the world - everyone has to look at everything for loopholes and people can't just use common sense.
: YouTube is planning on banning everyone who uses Adblock software
This is completely misleading and should be removed. This is no different from Riot including a "we can ban you for any reason we deem necessary" clause in *their* ToU. Note how 99% of us haven't been banned. Instead of YouTube specifying all the forms of things that are banned, they're putting this clause in. This will allow them to ban people who are causing YouTube to lose **contracts** for ads. That is the goal of this, and I **guarantee** that Google would *never* allow them to start banning people using AdBlock because the public backlash would be much more costly than the money they're losing from adblock in the first place.
: People with negative winrate SHOULDNT be climbing. Your system is trash.
Keep trying to blame others for your failure to climb. It's totally everyone/thing else's fault but your own.
: PSA: Riot Support has a category for behavior tickets, but now discards them
>Unfortunately, image of Blitzcrank Bot, these streets are not clean, because you produce false negatives even in the most obvious possible cases While I stopped reading originally after your title that's misleading (it doesn't "discard" the report, it simply puts it into the queue like tickets have *always done*), I came back to see this line. You have no way of knowing whether a report was validated or actioned on or not beyond seeing a gap in match history that appears indicative of a temporary or permanent ban. You cannot see if a report was forwarded for manual review, or if it was validated but not enough to punish based on one game.
: Permanently Banned For Defending Myself
>I'm a toxic player sure, but chat restricts seemed doable. Mute button there for a reason. This is exactly why chat restrictions **aren't** appropriate for you - they aren't working, you're still toxic.
: 7+ reports in one game should trigger a manual review
This would encourage people to "report call" and argue about whether someone should be reported or not, which is toxicity. Further, it would give groups of players easier power, as all it would take is 2-3 players agreeing to have the duo/trio/group vote and get a review.
Phridolin (EUW)
: Thank you, Riot
Literally all of these problems are your own fault for being bad.
: He called me more than an idiot though. He was calling me a lot of things. Idk how to get the chat but he was being 20x worse than I am. I look like an angel compared to what he was doing/saying. (Also I dont really report people for calling me an idiot. thats just kinda weird tbh)
That doesn’t mean he was so bad to get an instant ban.
: why the hell doesnt riot ban afk players ortrolls?
Why do police not catch and ticket/arrest all speeders? Why is it that going within 5 mph over the speed limit will **very rarely** if ever result in a citation? Because evidence is not perfect. Sure, you may be "pacing" the car next to you and your odometer reads 73 mph (in a 70 zone). But their odometer may read 70mph because of miscalibration, tire inflation, or other issues. Police understand this - and they err on the side of **not punishing innocent people**, even if it means letting some people who are willfully breaking the rules go free.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=abBov7gP,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-12T18:40:52.087+0000) > > No, they punished the OPs **chat** misbehavior with a 25 game chat restriction. does a 25 game chat restriction stop him from waiting in a fountain on a bad game? Does it give him a lesson learned besides not typing? im sick of all the ragequitters i see in ranked, if the ff vote you want doesn't go through you are expected to try your hardest to win the game unless it is a 0% chance hostage situation.
You have no clue if they were given a low priority queue or a temporary ban for AFKing, or if that was even reported by teammates, or if the report was even reviewed yet. What you're doing is called **thread hijacking** - this thread discusses a chat restriction punishment for a chat offense, and you're using information that does not factor into the chat restriction to rant about your distaste for the fact that Riot doesn't just ban 90% of players because you want them banned.
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