: She was released right before preseason, and they didn't want to nerf her at the start of it since there'd be shit changing anyways. This patch would be the first Riot would consider nerfing her in.
The fact that people continuously circle jerk and pretend like the numbers arent there to support that by all definitions senna is considered overtuned and in need of a hotfix, is astonishing to me. She was released 3 weeks ago. Recall when yuumi became live and when kaisa was live, both got emergency buffs.
: Sure it does almost every recently released champion has had ban rates that high for this long and aphelios will only be higher not lower.
Challenger players are banning her in about 65% of games. No new release has had this high of a ban rate/pick rate AND win rate altogether in a long time. You're lying if you say otherwise. And even then, this requires a direct hotfix if across the board she is outmatching the majority of support champions. Especially when in high elo.
: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0THF76fl,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-30T19:29:51.170+0000) > > Still diamond and you arent. It doesnt hurt to call out someone who’s obviously boosted. > I was gaining 16 per win but its pre season and im having fun, fuck off piggy. Get diamond before talking in the first place. You’re having fun? > A game of "who fucking cares what role you are, kill them first" and its just **BORING** Doesn’t seem like you’re having fun.
I truly wonder why you think im boosted. p2-d4 is really common for a threshold. And i won 2 soloq games in a row. So im just wondering where this is coming from. It also means so little when you have 1100 games and are barely plat 3. You have a 44% on your most frequently played champ. And thats JUST in preseason. Yikes buddy. I'll be happily diamond again next year. And you can spend 1000+ MORE games trying to get here. Thanks so much. xoxo
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: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0THF76fl,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-30T08:07:31.606+0000) > > Have you ever played soraka, good luck always getting away from everyone. especially a phase rush ryze. Why is your positioning so bad? Soraka is a passive champ, shes inly agressive lvls 1-3 in lane, unless your laners dont have hard engage or poke to whittle her down. . If shes alone, shes a sitting duck, in all stages of the game. Improve your positioning. > Nothing in this world is more embarrassing than people acting like supports are supposed to have kills, 15 assists suddenly mean nothing. And he was insta bursting me when i was only 2 levels behind him so whats your point. What levels? You stated that he almost one shot you. Why is fhat again? > their btw. And what the fuck do you mean no reason. You think barrier is gonna stop them from melting me. ok. Barrier will not stop a DPS mage from melting you, so long he can still DPS you after barrier is gone, but it blocks significant damage, that can buy time to either get out alive or inting, as you have showcased latter. > Clearly i must be since ur 1000 games and barely making it to plat every season is really just showing ur superior knowledge. Meanwhile every challenger player that plays a mage and takes sorcery, takes manaflow band. Wow you really showed those people. They must be boosted too. Like I said, you complain about getting one shot when you take 0 defensive runes. > > 800 in gold... and ur saying that like ur proud... i have smurfs that are carry based that took me 60 games or less to get to plat with.. please leave ur bullshit at the door. I was silver 3 last pre season. Im Plat 3 now. I’d say thats pretty good progress. Meanwhile, you climbed 3 divisions with 550 games, and not even diamond level. Your 13 lp per game says your mmr is pretty bad. > Because ive been dicking around in soloq during preseason? Wow u got me buddy. Make sure to call me next season when im diamond again and you're still struggling to get into plat after 900 games.. My fundamentals were pretty shit at the start of this season, so of course its gonna take time. Btw, you are high Plat at most. You are legit gaining 13lp per win. Im literally gaining 20-23lp per win now since my MMR is above my Elo. I’m pretty sure I can hit Diamond in a month. You made it to Diamond a month ago. Thats 2 weeks before preseason. You’re telling me ur MMR has gone to shit without that many games played ever since? I dont think so, it was low before you got to Diamond. > > Gee i wonder why this person who plays support more than carry roles doesnt always cs perfectly. Oh my god wow, truly such a mystery. Also according to my op.gg its on average over 150 for most of the champs i play? You're actually braindead. Nice 150 doesnt measure anything. 150 cs at 30 minutes? I said CS per minute, not total CS. I am talking about your mid lane. No excuse to be that bad.
>I was silver 3 last pre season. Im Plat 3 now. I’d say thats pretty good progress. Meanwhile, you climbed 3 divisions with 550 games, and not even diamond level. Your 13 lp per game says your mmr is pretty bad. Still diamond and you arent. >My fundamentals were pretty shit at the start of this season, so of course its gonna take time. Btw, you are high Plat at most. You are legit gaining 13lp per win. Im literally gaining 20-23lp per win now since my MMR is above my Elo. I’m pretty sure I can hit Diamond in a month. I was gaining 16 per win but its pre season and im having fun, fuck off piggy. Get diamond before talking in the first place.
: You’re literally just exaggerating how much damage champions will do in lane. If you take barrier and orb against fizz, he won’t be able to kill you, unless ur like 3 levels behind. Btw, you’re straight up lying about frequently building resistances. In your game vs Ryze, you are getting one shot because : 1. You are Soraka, a squishyy champ. And why are you next to Ryze? How is you positioning? 2. You literally end the game 1/8, with 5 levels below Ryze. You fucked up somewhere somehow. 3. You took ignite for no reason. Take a defensive summoner spell. For fucks sake, theyre team had 5 damage dealers. I see you are a support player who mainly plays Soraka and Yuumi. Out of your past 18 games, you build 6 athenes. How is that “frequent”. The magic resist on that item is not that great either. Just because a bunch of r%%%%%s take manaband flow doesnt mean you have to. But I guess you’re boosted to not know how to manage your mana. Like, Lost chapter literally gives you free mana. 2nd, I have roughly 100 games in silver, 800 games in gold, 150 games in plat. So i think I’ve made considerable progress in 1 season. You’re literally not even that Far from plat. You’re literally 2 more losses from plat. Your ‘Tier Average’ AVERAGE is Plat 2. Btw, how tf are you even Diamond? Your CS per minute is comparable to that of a Silver player not gonna lie.
>You are Soraka, a squishyy champ. And why are you next to Ryze? How is you positioning? Have you ever played soraka, good luck always getting away from everyone. especially a phase rush ryze. >You literally end the game 1/8, with 5 levels below Ryze. You fucked up somewhere somehow. Nothing in this world is more embarrassing than people acting like supports are supposed to have kills, 15 assists suddenly mean nothing. And he was insta bursting me when i was only 2 levels behind him so whats your point. >You took ignite for no reason. Take a defensive summoner spell. For fucks sake, theyre team had 5 damage dealers. their btw. And what the fuck do you mean no reason. You think barrier is gonna stop them from melting me. ok. >Just because a bunch of r%%%%%s take manaband flow doesnt mean you have to. But I guess you’re boosted to not know how to manage your mana. Like, Lost chapter literally gives you free mana. Clearly i must be since ur 1000 games and barely making it to plat every season is really just showing ur superior knowledge. Meanwhile every challenger player that plays a mage and takes sorcery, takes manaflow band. Wow you really showed those people. They must be boosted too. >2nd, I have roughly 100 games in silver, 800 games in gold, 150 games in plat. So i think I’ve made considerable progress in 1 season. 800 in gold... and ur saying that like ur proud... i have smurfs that are carry based that took me 60 games or less to get to plat with.. please leave ur bullshit at the door. >You’re literally not even that Far from plat. You’re literally 2 more losses from plat. Your ‘Tier Average’ AVERAGE is Plat 2. Because ive been dicking around in soloq during preseason? Wow u got me buddy. Make sure to call me next season when im diamond again and you're still struggling to get into plat after 900 games.. >Btw, how tf are you even Diamond? Your CS per minute is comparable to that of a Silver player not gonna lie. Gee i wonder why this person who plays support more than carry roles doesnt always cs perfectly. Oh my god wow, truly such a mystery. Also according to my op.gg its on average over 150 for most of the champs i play? You're actually braindead. Nice
: all damage items are over buffed and have to much on them all defence items are complete trash and have shit passives all damage cha,mps are over tuned or overloaded or both and some parts of their kit make them extremely broken I.E illaoi E, Darius Ult and passive, Master Yi Q and R resets ect you get the point
Thank you! Feels so fucking bad that most defensives feel like nothing bc u get melted like a hot knife to butter anyway. Armor and mr shred is so abundant and damage is just so high across the board. It becomes an issue when champions that are meant to be fighting for 30+ second skirmishes are literally blowing shit up
: OP, players like you are complete hypocrites. You build full damage and no defensive items and complain anout getting one shot? If you wanted to stop getting one shot, you shoulda started off with runes. Why are you taking double ap runes? Take 2 MR runes if youre in a hard matchup. Ill give you a tip: if youre against an AP assassin mid, dont run manaband flow. Run Nullyfying Orb. Of course, as a Diamond player, you should have already mastered mana management? You wouldnt be complaining here if you were one chunking 40% of a squishy’s HP bar with Ori ult, but when you are the recieving end of such damage, you will vent out a relatively useless post.
>OP, players like you are complete hypocrites. You build full damage and no defensive items and complain anout getting one shot? Yes because everything one shotting everything is definitely about resistances. I went barrier against kassadin and was still getting one tapped by lee jungle so. And then my soraka game, literally ryze walking up to me and eqing me to almost 100-0 me with roa and seraphs, is bullshit. I build resistances FREQUENTLY. (Fun fact athenes is a resistance item) >If you wanted to stop getting one shot, you shoulda started off with runes. Why are you taking double ap runes? Take 2 MR runes if youre in a hard matchup. The lane wasnt the issue, the issue was it hit a little past laning phase and it became a who one shots who faster fest. >Ill give you a tip: if youre against an AP assassin mid, dont run manaband flow. Run Nullyfying Orb. Of course, as a Diamond player, you should have already mastered mana management? So once again you think lane was the problem when kassadin didnt solo kill me once in lane. In fact he didnt kill me at all. Also every single ap champion will go manaflow band if they go into sorcery. The only time they wont is when they are against their hardest matchup like fizz or ekko (Fun fact fizz will eat the null orb and barrier and still kill you for fun most of the time) And you really shouldnt bring rank into this when you have 1000 + games in plat....... >You wouldnt be complaining here if you were one chunking 40% of a squishy’s HP bar with Ori ult, but when you are the recieving end of such damage, you will vent out a relatively useless post. It's almost like you are just not reading. Damage is too high ACROSS. THE. BOARD. PERIOD.
: Fleet footwork is overrated and taking it makes her fall in late. Also, you can build these things too.
nash55 (EUW)
: It doesn't feel like you get outplayed anymore, just out-champion-ed.
You cant even use the old champ argument, ryze and kass are both extremely fucking broken right now. Riot's just in this era of "we want EVERYTHING to just one shot the shit out of everything else. Doesnt help that every new release feels like 10 champs slammed into 1
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Pyrosan (NA)
: that's literally everything they haven't done, farming jungler's are the best right now due to the camp time resetting quicker watch literally any high elo player about their opinion on the jungle changes and they'll all say karthus is super op right now because of his ability to clear fast lol
When all of the tier 1 champs are early game junglers, you would just be wrong. https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=jungle
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: This is a throw away account. That was 70% win rate for its first 140 games this season *whistles. Nami has a 1.2 pick rate because she has been seasoned and is an old champion. Senna is new.
Throw away account and its lv 260? This is just a lie. This exact account, took 80 games to get plat. Starting from iron. If it was a throw away account You wouldnt have 823 Ranked games in silver with a 49% wr. >Nami has a 1.2 pick rate because she has been seasoned and is an old champion. Senna is new. So this is gonna come as a shock to you. But the basis of nerfs are usually determined with "Does this champ have a really high pick rate AND win rate" The reason why several champs who were over 50% wr didnt get nerfed bc they werent pick or ban. Whereas, senna is extremely new. Yet even in challenger shes thriving and banned constantly. She has a very VERY high pick rate, a very high win rate and a very high ban rate. No other new champ was abusing that. Stop bullshitting bc its your new main.
: Why? {{champion:141}} {{champion:238}} etc...... anyone who requires more effective HP to survive. (The reason meta people don't use this route is because they follow the Redemption route, even though it does nothing to increase her W bounce scaling, and because when this decision was made, like with Ezreal, people were ignoring Seraph's still) Apparently you don't use Transcendence..... Nami is "Tier 3" because of play rate. Her win rate is and has been for 6 years in excess of Senna. Once Senna's play rate goes down from "not being the new thing" she will also be calculated as "Tier 3" I bring up Nami because Nami and Senna have pretty much the SAME functions: Multiheal while damaging enemies. Team mobility. Low Base and HP growth. Aoe crowd control. Surprisingly decent damage. Except ofc..... Nami doesn't self root. Nami has larger heals. Nami doesn't have a DELAY on her aoe CC. Nami can cast before death. Nami can cast all her abilities at the same time to animation cancel them. Nami can repeatedly base movement speed steroid and scale of movement speed items. Nami actually has THREE forms of CC. The ONLY two things Senna has that Nami doesn't: -Slightly more damage. -potential team stealth with limited uses and a high cooldown. Nami can juke deaths FAR better than Senna can, and she doesn't have any form of stealth at all. Nami can juke so well she can survive an Evelynn 1v1 and go on to kill the Evelynn. --------------------------------------- P.S. I looked up your Season 9 results on this account. 95 games Nami 84 games Lux
If you looked at my name games you can see i take transcendence essentially every nami game. I literally went into practice tool. Built copy for copy what you put. And even with a maxed out seraphs it was nowhere near 500 ap. So once again, you're basically just admitting you exaggerated ap values and then your words crumble. >P.S. I looked up your Season 9 results on this account. 95 games Nami 84 games Lux First of all you say that like you havent been spamming senna in ranked. Secondly On my literal account i have 94k on lux, 78k on nami. So what are you trying to prove. Also namis heals dont get reduced cd per auto. Also are we really counting her e as crowd control... ok. >Nami can juke deaths FAR better than Senna can, and she doesn't have any form of stealth at all. Nami can juke so well she can survive an Evelynn 1v1 and go on to kill the Evelynn. You think nami wins against evelynn over a sennas chances? You're literally just trolling
: {{item:3850}} > {{item:3070}} >{{item:3504}} > {{item:3174}} >{{item:3003}} = 400 AP by itself with normal Nami runes. Take your pick for the other two items. P.S. Nami has been Tier 1 for over 6 years.
1- LITERALLY no one takes that route. Why would she even go seraphs embrace. For what purpose. And those items together... i went into practice tool. Level 18 nami with fully stacked seraphs with ardent and athenes, DIDNT EVEN BREAK 291 AP. Also you said 500 ap. Thats an entire 100 ap difference. Also what normal nami runes are u talking about. Because no nami ever is going gathering storm to be getting 500 ap. P.S Nami is considered tier 3 right now http://www.op.gg/champion/nami/statistics/support U.gg says shes A tier. Thats not tier 1 by the way. Is nami bad? no shes not. but shes not broken by any means. While senna is very much past the cusp of needing nerfs. Also i love that you try to talk about me playing nami and janna the most. When on a seperate account i play katarina the most. On THIS specific account. I play lux more than nami so you're just wrong, once again
: You're just Diamond IV :S And you've played Senna twice. And you lost both. In both games you were near the lowest damage, and never got over 5 kills. So broken. P.S. Nice to see a fellow Nami spammer :). Eventually you'll catch up. Oh. What's Nami's win rate in Challenger? https://u.gg/lol/champions/nami/build?rank=challenger #53.57%. Oh Damn Nami needs nerfs!
You have a NEGATIVE win rate in silver. Shut up/ 4/5/15 for a second time senna in diamond is pretty good considering 2 people were just inting. In that EXACT link. Senna has a 23% pick rate while nami has a 1.2 % pick rate. Huh. Funny how your argument just falls apart.
: Did you bother to look up we havent met? He's played 2 Senna games. Lost both. Never got more than 5 kills. Was the second lowest damage on his teams. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=we+havent+met He plays Janna/Nami exclusively. Go look at their win rates. Higher than Senna's.
She* and MY MOST RECENT One as senna support 4/5/15. Higher damage than my adc and elise. please have a seat
: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WXXFkLH1,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-11-24T23:54:42.907+0000) > > Dunno why people are so biased about a champ being busted. Also ive played her. Shes busted. > > She has all of what, 2 counters? 3? > > It's so funny when someone whos never made it past silver tries to act condescending. Go have a seat. > > also can we just LAUGH AT THIS COMMENT > > hon in CHALLENGER the BEST of the BEST > > 51.69% > Win Rate > > 22.9% > Pick Rate > > 58.9% > Ban Rate > > Kindly fuck off xoxo My favorite part is that person goes in every Senna thread and tells everyone how weak she is. . . .only to spam her in ranked. {{sticker:poppy-wink}}
: Dunno why people keep posting these Senna hate threads without actually playing her. She has bipolar matchups. Her win rate isn't that extreme. She has absolute counters, and very little room for even pros to improve on. She has 2 of the hardest damage restrictions in the game on her damage. She self roots. She dies in .5 seconds to anything that can reach her. People just see a kit, idealize it as "OP" because it has some offerings, but don't even know the kit in practice. It has "potential." Like Jhin/Vayne/Kai Sa have "potential." Doesn't mean broken. Means, if you build a team that doesn't counter her, expect to feel oppressed. Kind of like..... when you build a team vs a Master Yi with no hard CC and no real 1 shot capacity..... But oh wait..... people defend Yi.....
Dunno why people are so biased about a champ being busted. Also ive played her. Shes busted. She has all of what, 2 counters? 3? It's so funny when someone whos never made it past silver tries to act condescending. Go have a seat. also can we just LAUGH AT THIS COMMENT >and very little room for even pros to improve on. hon in CHALLENGER the BEST of the BEST 51.69% Win Rate 22.9% Pick Rate 58.9% Ban Rate Kindly fuck off xoxo
: What's Nami/Janna/Lulu's Win rates? Oh. And if Nami doesn't have 500 AP, she's playing wrong lmfao. Senna scales infinitely from a LOW POINT, that takes a significant amount of work to build up.
>And if Nami doesn't have 500 AP, she's playing wrong lmfao. first of all. where would she get this much ap. full build including athenes would cap around what.. 300? MAYBE 400 if you actually buy an ap item. >Senna scales infinitely from a LOW POINT, that takes a significant amount of work to build up. No she doesnt. Her ad scales infinitely per stack. Just because you dont succeed with senna with grasp / sanguine blade because thats not what she builds, doesnt mean she takes time to scale. She is tier 1 for a reason. She has BEEN tier 1 since her release.
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: W change is r%%%%%ed unplayable now
Unplayable? Right because the changes literally increased his wr. "muh unplayable" shut up
: Support mains are the feminists of the forums jesus christ. Do some research for once and learn how to read.
>Support mains are the feminists of the forums jesus christ. Wow... what a joke of a response. You have 600 games and you're plat 4. So you might wanna work on that before talking about feminism. And clearly you cant fucking read because you listed examples of supports in games who are all always on equal footing with their teammates. Which isnt the case for league. Thank you try again incel
: > "I have seen them with gold, they carry games" - Where is the problem in that ? You go in a game thinking "I am support , I wont carry this, I will just be messing around warding, shielding ...yayyy". That is the support role though, you are there to support your team. This is the same with almost every game out there. In WoW a healer is used to buff and heal your teammates. In Overwatch a support is used to heal and give other bonuses like armor or damage boost to teammates. I believe League is quite diverse in it's support cast, and even though I much prefer the healer/enchanter type, I agree that tanks/engage supports are a very good option for people that would prefer that type of route. I have carried many games playing support Raka/Kayle by positioning well and keeping my carry alive. A healer carries by keeping their team alive and safe. If you don't like that style you can always play engage supports, but their job isn't to carry the game, it's to setup your team to carry. If you would rather be the carry, then just play the other roles.
In the games you listed they are always the same level as everyone else so its a poor comparison. You're bullshitting if you think supports dont have a lower income and xp gain. Which shouldnt be the case. If they are there to support the team then they should be able to be an EQUAL part of the team.
: Supports need a new way of generating gold
I've never understood why supports always get fucked. Like supports are lv 12-14 while everyone else is 15-18... like ?????????? We get very little gold. Very little xp. We get nothing!
: Just seeing you and the rest of the community here circle jerk and think you're in the right is actually ludicrous and quite hilarious. but it's alright, stay in your little safety bubble.
Seeing you assume you're right when you have never left gold. Stay in your god complex though xoxo
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: Senna is crazy strong. Just pick her and go on mid to see how easily she outperforms most mid champions. Sure arguably she isn't viable there due to other kit reasons, but the fact she can go toe to toe with a lot of solo mid champs is scarry
Yeah its nuts. My friend picked senna top first time, this was in i believe in diamond elo. Stomped lane so fucking hard.... The fact that people dont think she's a little bonkers right now is disappointing
: It's definitely an argument. Thats an irrefutable fact lol.. She literally has a meh to weakish kit, her best parts are the Q and the passive, her R is very easy to dodge, it doesnt do that much damage, its shielding is meh. its 100% an argument because theres TOO MUCH cc in the game to say its not an argument. you didnt address any of the other points either.. and also, if you're knowledgable, people know that if u shut her down early, shes practically useless later.. Also.. could play thresh (if they still have that event thing for them) and then just steal her souls.. its called game knowledge, counter picking, not complaining about a Average - less than average, Support.. and a better than average adc.. (Which she isn't played very much in, so the results are skewed meaning the high average wr for adc doesnt really matter due to its low playability).
>It's definitely an argument. Thats an irrefutable fact lol. No, it isnt. Sure it's a fact but you can use "just cc them" for any champion. >She literally has a meh to weakish kit, her best parts are the Q and the passive, her R is very easy to dodge, it doesnt do that much damage, its shielding is meh. its 100% an argument because theres TOO MUCH cc in the game to say its not an argument. Right her kit is so meh that her winrate is 51.8% across elos. When she is tier 1 and outperforming every single champion in the support role that isnt blitz/leona. She is also outperforming 15 champions in the adc role. But shes just so meh right? God it must be so hard when you say facts and then there are stats to prove you wrong. Her kit isnt meh, her q damage and healing is comparable to nami w. Except nami doesnt build full ap to capitalize on the scaling, Where senna does with ad. Physical Damage: 250 / 375 / 500 (+ 100% bonus AD) (+ 40% AP) Shield: 120 / 160 / 200 (+ 40% AP) (+ 1.5 per Absolution Mist collected) Ah yes, an ultimate with 500 + 100% bAD is meh... what was i thinking. It's also global. God you really are so dense.. >if u shut her down early, shes practically useless later.. this is how i know you are trolling. She literally scales infinitely.. LMAO .
: I really don’t think she’s oppressively strong. She’s a new champion so her pick/ban rate will naturally be higher. I have not seen her winrate this patch but unless it’s 52%+ I think she’s fine.
When yuumi was released she had about a 42% wr for a long time. Senna's wr is dangerously close to 52% across the board (its like 51.78 i believe was the actual numbers). Usually when a champ comes out and outperforming most champs in that role, that's viewed as unbalanced.
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: Alright, if you're gonna pop off like that, I'm not gonna bother with carrying this argument further than this post. From Riot's own statement: "Since we’ve been focusing on modes like ARAM a bit more, we’ve seen a few people ask, “What about Twisted Treeline?” One of League’s original alternative game modes, Twisted Treeline has been a place for League players to get the MOBA experience of Summoner’s Rift on a different map with a different meta. However, Treeline has always suffered from low queue sizes, even in times when we added new items, map-specific champion balance, and even the Twisted Treeline redesign waaayy back in 2012. At present, it falls short of even the numbers we saw at the end of Nexus Blitz’s second run. This small population leads to long queue times, poor matchmaking, and ultimately an unsatisfying PvP experience for many of the players who do queue up for Treeline. Outside of the player population, Twisted Treeline’s art, map design, and even game pacing don’t meet today’s current quality bar and player needs. We debated on whether an ARAM-esque level of support would bring it up to standard, but the lack of growth from the previous efforts we mentioned led us to the conclusion that it just wouldn’t be enough to make Treeline a healthy long-term mode. So at the end of this season, we will be retiring Twisted Treeline. Like Dominion before it, we’re sad to see a longtime part of the game disappear. But we feel this is the best decision for League, as it lets us keep our focus on our larger game modes. You’ll still be able to earn end of season rewards via Twisted Treeline this season, so a rank of Gold or higher will still get you the Victorious skin. There won’t be a TT specific chroma this year though, as we’ve seen in past seasons that non-Treeline players sometimes spam ranked 3s for the chroma, and we don’t want that to be your final experience with the mode. We will have a few small rewards for the most dedicated of TT players which we’ll grant once the mode is retired. Eligibility will be based on games played before today to ensure the integrity of the rewards. Details will be announced in the future." (source material: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/07/dev-state-of-modes/ ) "TT has ALWAYS suffered from low queue sizes." "TT ***HAS ALWAYS*** suffered from ***low queue sizes***." Dont wanna hear it from me? Fine. Dont wanna hear it from Riot? K. Then have the honest game review from FOUR YEARS AGO that *memes all over it* because even people that DONT PLAY THE GAME understand nobody plays it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-YWi6Kmp-g With that, good sir, Adieu
Not a sir but thanks so much for your input. Also thank you for completely missing my argument. Riot chose to not work on TT and wanted it to die. Simple. Riot was correct that it was smaller player sizes but that doesnt matter because its a game mode, not everyone has to like it. Kinda like how not everyone likes urf. Riot spent a total of 2 patches on it. Hush.
: Its hilarious how a game that is more popular than dota can't handle even the most small and paltry of added modes but dota somehow makes do with many. They should AT LEAST make the rotating game mode constant.
A moba that makes more than every other moba combined apparently cant handle more than 3 permanent modes. Meanwhile if they made the game like blizzards setup they could fit a shit ton of modes.
usul1202 (NA)
: No it wasn't. Riot flat said that even when they did work on it, Tt was ignored and undeprlayed.
Thats just incorrect. There's not even a legitimate base in that when theres all of 3 patches for TT, One of them being its literal removal. They didnt work on it and didnt want to.
: I dont think that's true though. TT servers, games or no, still have to be powered, connected, and maintained constantly, which costs a lot more than pennies. And if it's only getting 20 games from most players, where even ARAM mode gets hundreds or even thousands, and we're not even mentioning their main dish SR...then it's not really earning its keep. Honestly...you can't really even say *RIOT* let it die...the player-base let it die, by not playing it...ever.
>TT servers, games or no, still have to be powered, connected, and maintained constantly, which costs a lot more than pennies. And if it's only getting 20 games from most players, where even ARAM mode gets hundreds or even thousands, and we're not even mentioning their main dish SR...then it's not really earning its keep. Honestly...you can't really even say RIOT let it die...the player-base let it die, by not playing it...ever. Gee i wonder why this game mode we have ignored and neglected for years isnt doing super well player wise. So fucking tired of this argument. There were challengers in flex 3v3 so it was getting play. Fuck that shit riot let it die. When s5 got rehauled TT was very popular. https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Twisted_Treeline LAST PATCH FOR IT WAS IN SEASON 5 BY THE WAY. Fuck that shit argument. players didnt let it die, riot didnt want it to grow.
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usul1202 (NA)
: I just have a hard time believing that. I don't count myself as a riot hater, but come on, especially with how much money they're funneling into other games, they'll take every single penny they can get from league. The only reason that tt is going away is because it isn't profitable vs the man hours put in, if it were, they'd hire more staff. It's hard to justify continuing something like that.
>The only reason that tt is going away is because it isn't profitable vs the man hours put in, if it were, they'd hire more staff. It's hard to justify continuing something like that. There ARE NO MAN HOURS PUT IN?????????? Hello are u fucking joking You literally are missing the part where riot stopped updating it
usul1202 (NA)
: Every patch released has to be compatible. If nothing else the qa time is big. For real, if tt made even the barest amount of money vs what it costs, do you think riot would keep it? If it were at all profitible I'd bet riot runs that thing till it isn't.
The thing is riot picks up projects and doesnt finish them ever. Are you serious right now? Treeline was extremely popular in season 5 when they rehauled it and then they said "no sorry we dont care" and then wonder why it isnt as successful. You're literally joking
: treeline is not a good mode though, replace it with dominion and we're in business.
Or keep both since it costs literal pennies to upkeep both modes
Pyrosan (NA)
: "most people have 20 ranked games in it" wat literally every op.gg i have ever looked at has always had 0 3 v 3 games
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: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ks3EZ5JZ,comment-id=0000000000010001,timestamp=2019-11-17T21:40:48.746+0000) > > Diana, kassadin, ap shaco ekko. It would be a niche item. However i dont think making it melee is the right proposal. If one champ was to break an item, the champ should be nerfed not the item. But if you add items that you know will make an champ broken as hell and nerf those champs then you kill their item diversity, since they now have to use it to be normal. Which kills the point of new items in the first place.
I think the difference here is, if it was gonna break everybody, tone down the item. That was a big reason why it was on the pbe. Spear of Shojin is a great example of how it almost entirely killed top lane bruiser item diversity (God im glad that garbage item is about to be gone) I think we often need to look at testing and play through. Because the item itself could be a very very good bruiser item, even if not melee, i can think of at least 3 ap bruisers and 2 battlemages that could very much benefit from that item (even if toned down) It's a lot of one of those things where you see all these new ad assassin items bringing so much diversity. Whereas ap champions haven't really gotten anything. Legitimately for 2 of my champions the core is literally "rush deathcap!" and it screams boring and mediocrity in comparison. Also sorry if this is very jumbled my mind kinda scatters sometimes..
: Also who would use this if it was melee only?
Diana, kassadin, ap shaco ekko. It would be a niche item. However i dont think making it melee is the right proposal. If one champ was to break an item, the champ should be nerfed not the item.
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Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JwomszEK,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-17T06:08:14.801+0000) > > You call me bias but you are literally just not reading. Morgana is the only champion support in the game that can do really well in a hook lock down meta. The day they nerf how oppressive lock down supports are BY ALL MEANS gut the fuck out of morg. > You also say that like i main morg. i dont i have like maybe 100k on 3 seperate accounts? If anything i play diana and eve, and if we are really talking bias diana has gotten the shit end of the stick for 4 fucking years. please have a seat. Wasn't talking about Diana, was talking about how you are using Blitzcrank's numbers for a reason for him needing nerfs, but ignore Morgana's 2 to 4 times higher one is all, the numbers don't lie.
I LITERALLY just told you why its so high. You have such a horrible listening problem. You must be such a nightmare to talk to irl.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JwomszEK,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T23:51:08.418+0000) > > Considering morgana is literally one of the only counters to this support lock down meta no i dont think she needs buffs but i wouldnt mind her not being banned literally every other game. Lux already got her buff and im happy with it, shes not broken but shes not doing super poorly either. And contrary to w hat you think i think evelynn is down right broken. Her damage is extremely high but as most assassins, thats pretty much all shes good for. All I'm saying is you are proving my point of ignoring the numbers unless they suit your narrative. Morg has just as high as a win rate, and a FAR higher ban rate, but her numbers are ok because of your own personal bias against Blitzcrank and for Morg.
You call me bias but you are literally just not reading. Morgana is the only champion support in the game that can do really well in a hook lock down meta. The day they nerf how oppressive lock down supports are BY ALL MEANS gut the fuck out of morg. You also say that like i main morg. i dont i have like maybe 100k on 3 seperate accounts? If anything i play diana and eve, and if we are really talking bias diana has gotten the shit end of the stick for 4 fucking years. please have a seat.
: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JwomszEK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T13:35:01.272+0000) > > If a champion is thriving extremely well in high elo thats always been at least a small basis for looking at why. To mix blitzcrank among every elo and every region he has an above 50% wr with a 12% pick rate and a 36% ban rate (https://u.gg/lol/champions/blitzcrank/build?rank=overall) > Are we just playing dumb now or. You didn't explain why you said he has a 63% win rate which is verifiably false. Are YOU playing dumb?
I actually did in the edited post if you actually learned to read. There was a mix up on the actual u.gg website but thank you so much for your input
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=we havent met,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JwomszEK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-16T13:44:04.576+0000) > > My bad on the u.gg site there are two buttons for masters, one says 54% the other says 63% > > 1. It was the first thing i clicked on, its also common knowledge that d2- masters is the entry for high elo. It doesn't "suit my needs" considering challenger blitzcrank isnt over a 50% wr. But the buff was unnecessary and a lot of the playerbase would agree. Of course not, no one ever agrees that anyone except their own personal champion needs buffs, do you think people said Lux needed buffs? Or Morgana? or Eve? > 2. We wanna look at other sample sizes then? Because in that exact link theres a *40 fucking percent ban rate* for him witha 10% pick rate with a 52% winrate. I remember boards literally crucifying ahri players for her pick rates but whatever sure we can play brand new. Again, where are you getting these numbers because I see from u.gg he has 11% in worlds masters with a 50% win rate https://u.gg/lol/champions/blitzcrank/build/?rank=master_plus 17% at NA Masters https://u.gg/lol/champions/blitzcrank/build/?rank=master_plus&region=na1 with a 54% win rate You know what champion does have numbers like that though, Morgana with her 52% win rate, 44% ban (second highest ban rate in fact) in Masters, but you aren't complaining about her https://u.gg/lol/champions/morgana/build/?rank=master_plus Interesting how that works right, how people ignore numbers for champions they like because bias, hm. > And 54% in na is still a fucking good win rate Also lets acknowledge the fact that i can look you up too! You dont need to talk about me being diamond when you havent touched it except for once in season 7. So you can pull the condescending stick right out of your ass. Thanks! I'm just saying, people only really pull numbers when it suits them is all and look at higher elos then what they are.
>Of course not, no one ever agrees that anyone except their own personal champion needs buffs, do you think people said Lux needed buffs? Or Morgana? or Eve? Considering morgana is literally one of the only counters to this support lock down meta no i dont think she needs buffs but i wouldnt mind her not being banned literally every other game. Lux already got her buff and im happy with it, shes not broken but shes not doing super poorly either. And contrary to w hat you think i think evelynn is down right broken. Her damage is extremely high but as most assassins, thats pretty much all shes good for. >You know what champion does have numbers like that though, Morgana with her 52% win rate, 44% ban (second highest ban rate in fact) in Masters, but you aren't complaining about her You wanna know why morg has that wr and ban rate? Because she is one of the only champions in the game that can actually handle a lock down lane. "Gee i wonder why this champion is doing well in a meta it counters. >Interesting how that works right, how people ignore numbers for champions they like because bias, hm. Bitch the fuck you mean bias? I have a couple morgana games, oh no muh bias. >Again, where are you getting these numbers because I see from u.gg he has 11% in worlds masters with a 50% win rate https://u.gg/lol/champions/blitzcrank/build/?rank=master_plus 17% at NA Masters https://u.gg/lol/champions/blitzcrank/build/?rank=master_plus&region=na1 with a 54% win rate You wanted a bigger sample size... click NA click all ranks (https://u.gg/lol/champions/blitzcrank/build/?rank=overall&region=na1) It's almost like you just arent listening! But yet im the biased one. sure sure >I'm just saying, people only really pull numbers when it suits them is all and look at higher elos then what they are. And im just saying im picking an elo where its considered to be high elo. It's the first one i glanced at. You have an issue with it? Reach masters and then talk. idk
: If you're referring to your other comment where I've "Shamed" people for their rank, than I'm drawing a blank because I have never done that. I have brought up Rank in conversations before, but I never use Rank as a reason for why people can't have an opinion, or to insult them for being X rank. It's very important to distingush that sometimes peoples Rank does contribute to a discussion, but you need to be polite and not use it as a way to discredit someone's opinion. For example: "I don't mean any offense, but you are in Silver, and that low elo often has people who don't have the best ability to coordinate and deal with threats like Yi, which is why he thrives in lower elos". Is entirely appropriate for the boards. If you're refering to the other time where I said "It's not surprising to see this blatantly wrong information get upvoted, stay classy boards." I actually took that issue up myself with the other moderators, asking if this was an ok thing to post. It wasn't breaking any rules, but I was advised to stay away from those types of comments. And I have since, I just don't delete my own comments because I have nothing to hide when I make mistakes.
>It's very important to distingush that sometimes peoples Rank does contribute to a discussion, but you need to be polite and not use it as a way to discredit someone's opinion. For example: "I don't mean any offense, but you are in Silver, and that low elo often has people who don't have the best ability to coordinate and deal with threats like Yi, which is why he thrives in lower elos". Is entirely appropriate for the boards. That EXACT phrase gets flagged by moderation as rank shaming which is AGAINST THE RULES HONEY. PLEASE, you're almost doing my job FOR Me at this point. >If you're refering to the other time where I said "It's not surprising to see this blatantly wrong information get upvoted, stay classy boards." I actually took that issue up myself with the other moderators, asking if this was an ok thing to post. It wasn't breaking any rules, but I was advised to stay away from those types of comments. And I have since, I just don't delete my own comments because I have nothing to hide when I make mistakes. That too, but you've also said much much harsher things about the people who post. It was disrespectful and unnecessary. If you dont like the way people on boards speak, i have a really REALLY simple fix. Stop moderating! Otherwise, constructive feedback is much more appropriate and as a moderator you are expected to uphold to higher standards than the average op. There's a reason you got picked, now please start acting like it
Jamaree (NA)
: 1, where are you getting your info from because what I'm looking at has him at 50%. https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?rank=master_plus 54% in NA though https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?rank=master_plus&region=na1 2. Why are you using masters elo as a zone of balance, why do you even care about masters when you are diamond, why do players only look up numbers when it suits their needs but utterly ignore them when it doesn't? 3. The sample size of Master is FAR too tiny to use anyway.
My bad on the u.gg site there are two buttons for masters, one says 54% the other says 63% 1. It was the first thing i clicked on, its also common knowledge that d2- masters is the entry for high elo. It doesn't "suit my needs" considering challenger blitzcrank isnt over a 50% wr. But the buff was unnecessary and a lot of the playerbase would agree. 2. We wanna look at other sample sizes then? Because in that exact link theres a *40 fucking percent ban rate* for him witha 10% pick rate with a 52% winrate. I remember boards literally crucifying ahri players for her pick rates but whatever sure we can play brand new. And 54% in na is still a fucking good win rate Also lets acknowledge the fact that i can look you up too! You dont need to talk about me being diamond when you havent touched it except for once in season 7. So you can pull the condescending stick right out of your ass. Thanks!
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